Been struggling with irons and driver even with lessons

[BadGolfer822]

Hi all, so I posted my swing not too long ago and since then I’ve been trying to work on my swing

- keeping head steady

- correctly loading and sequencing

ive been getting lessons but really struggling with keeping my head steady and not getting my head in front of the ball. My swing is below, any comments are much appreciated, don’t worry about hurting my feelings I’ve been killing myself trying to improve it but really struggling even with lessons. 

 

 

 

 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

This move where your head goes up and toward the target is a problem.  Arms sucked across your chest and late wrist set and download making it worse.

 

Youre going to have to have some feel like your head is moving away from the target to start the downswing for a bit and wrists have to set better in the backswing.

Edited March 14 by MonteScheinblum

[indianagolf2]

Monte gives alot of time on these boards, I'd suggest taking an online lesson with him. 

[BadGolfer822]

8 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

This move where your head goes up and toward the target is a problem.  Arms sucked across your chest and late wrist set and download making it worse.

 

Youre going to have to have some feel like your head is moving away from the target to start the downswing for a bit and wrists have to set better in the backswing.

 

thanks so much for the feedback Monte. 
 

so I am severely struggligg by with correcting that (for the last 8 months and with a coach as well). Any suggestions on what could be the root cause that my body is forced to go in that direction?

[iacas]

To add on to what Monte said…

 

I see it largely as a "hip" move in terms of how you may find that you "feel" it:

 

You go from this (being what I might call "bent over your right hip a bit"):

 

 

to this:

 

 

very quickly, and late in the backswing.

 

Because your head drags back and down early, it kicks up and forward late, which sends the hips in the opposite direction for balance… so your hips are going precisely the wrong direction at the worst possible time in the swing.

[KMeloney]

(Monte & Iacas are the instructor, so they'll know how to correct things. I can simply relate to your swing woes, having similar ones at one point, and feel like I see set-up issues that are going to promote the wrong actions.)

 

You set up with very level shoulders, and this puts your hands and arms to the middle of your body[line]. The triangle formed by your shoulders and arms points straight down, and the club extends straight down from there. That essentially sets the low point of your swing right at the ball (instead of in front of it). With irons, you know you're supposed to hit the ball with a descending blow -- which this set-up promotes to a fault -- and so it probably feels right to you. But you also know that you're supposed to be "shifting" your weight forward. With your shoulders level at set up, a shift forward goal, a hit down intention, but the low point of your swing aimed at the ball in the middle of your stance, your flat shoulder turn never lets weight get into your rear foot, and you instead start leaning your upper body forward (over your front foot). This effectively moves the ball even farther back in your stance, traps your arms behind you, and makes you "drag" the club down steeply into the ball behind you in order to make contact with it.

 

Once you lean in front of the ball like that, all you can do is reverse-pivot to try to get back "behind" the ball, or hack down on it really steeply (or both).

 

Even if you don't watch the video, check out Rory's set-up here. And see how even though he appears to get very over-top-of the ball at the top of his back swing, he's going to shift into his left foot -- not sway his upper body over it -- with the intention of seeing the back of the ball and hitting the back of it (and not dragging the club down into the back of it). His right shoulder is going to work down (and around) into the ball, through where it was at set-up.

 

[iacas]

54 minutes ago, KMeloney said:

your flat shoulder turn never lets weight get into your rear foot

I do not see a flat shoulder turn. Do you in the images I posted a few posts up?

[MonteScheinblum]

3 hours ago, BadGolfer822 said:

thanks so much for the feedback Monte. 
 

so I am severely struggligg by with correcting that (for the last 8 months and with a coach as well). Any suggestions on what could be the root cause that my body is forced to go in that direction?

Pelvis sway as iacas pointed out.

[KMeloney]

41 minutes ago, iacas said:

I do not see a flat shoulder turn. Do you in the images I posted a few posts up?

 

No, not in those images. (I should have made that statement predominately about the downswing. Thanks for setting the record straight.) But then I think he goes on to keep any shoulder tilt that he establishes in the backswing consistent, meaning his right shoulder stays high into impact.

 

In his first and second video, if you freeze it right at/after impact, you can see that his right shoulder has come around/out toward the ball, and appears to be HIGHER than his left shoulder at impact (and THEN maybe dips down some after impact). I'm not sure whether I'm pointing out a cause or an effect of the upper body/head lean forward, but it also looks to me like his shoulder actions relates (at least in part) to his set-up.

 

I'm not an instructor. Would you get him in a better set-up if you were coaching him to begin with?

[iacas]

20 minutes ago, KMeloney said:

if you freeze it right at/after impact

Impact is just a result of all that occurs before. His right shoulder is rising early in his downswing… because of the backswing.