MP57 are too much for me

[SuaSponteMn]

I just did the same thing and couldn't be happier. While I'm not going to complain about weight, I simply wasn't hitting them as consistently as I wanted to (and I've been at the range 3x a week since the season started up here, been taking lessons everything other week throughout the winter). For me, I think it's either the sole digging too much, or the simple fact that I'm not a good enough player currently (more likely). I took my Lt2's out of the basement, bagged them, and it was as comfortable as having a beer with an old high school buddy.

 

Personally, I'm not getting rid of the 57's, they're just too darn pretty. And if I can get my handicap back under 10, and I'm striking the ball more consistently, I may try them again next season.

[dlo]

before you get rid of them, try the tape.

 

For reference I was coming from Cobra ss-i and went to the 57's. I have them with DG SL S300. After a few range sessions and rounds I was loving them when I hit it well but still feeling a little let down given all the dough i forked over. Talked to my pro and pulled out the old clubs for reference. He suggested the tape and I feel like it has made a huge difference.

 

I get what you are saying about the weight issue. I felt like I couldn't feel the head of the club so I never felt like I was in total control. Almost like the balance between the grip and the head was "to good" or to well balanced if that makes any sense at all. Anyway, the tape made it feel like I had more control and that has made a difference.

[ingster1]

A fairly easy and relatively inexpensive experiment is to buy a MX-23 or MX-25 6 iron (you can usually get these cheaply and with different specs as they were demo irons) and see if you like it.

 

Also, what shafts do you have in your MX-57s? Swingweight? If your long irons feel too light they may have a light swingweight (which can sometimes be addressed by adding weight to the heads) or the shaft is too stiff and you're not loading it properly. If you are moving from Callaway uniflex steel shafts in your X-18s to something like a DG SL300 in your MX-57s, that is a pretty significant change.

[jones137]

I gave up on my MP60's after a year because of the light SW. Interestingly enough, I originally had the clubs ordered from Mizuno at +1/2". What I didn't know was that Mizuno uses a lighter head in clubs that are built over length. When I got my set in, I felt like the clubs were a little too long. So I had a 1/2" cut off. When the club maker cut the 1/2" off he also told me the shafts were full of lead weights of which he removed. My clubs ended up SW at like C7. Mizuno uses tip weights and varying headweights to get the SW somewhat even. The problem is if you ever change shafts or length it can be very hard to get the SW back.

 

The irons shipped to me at +1/2" swingweighted at D0.....way too light to begin with.

[rick101554]

The long irons in the 57s are a bit tough to hit...the advice from a previous poster to start the 57s at the 6 iron, and get hybrids for the longer irons is a good idea. I find the 57s to be only slightly more forgiving than the 60s, which I also have. Another thing I learned about the 57s is that I love the Project X shaft (regular--not flighted). Unlike some of the posts I've read here and on other forums, I find them to be very smooth, with a very good trajectory. I don't find them harsh at all.

 

I used the 57s for one round, and protected them with headcovers...I don't think I'll take too bad of a hit when I sell them.

[haroldminer]

Hi Everybody,

 

I am awake and ready to go!

 

For full disclosure, I am playing a stiff s300 staft and generally hit my 8 iron 155.

 

I do think the swing weight is lighter than my previous clubs (DCIs) and my practice club, which is a Callaway X-Tour 6 iron X100. No doubt. It is really evident in the long irons.

 

I am hitting the ball well (in the center of the face) but my problem is that I am problem is with accuracy. Upon a good nights rest (and reading the previous responses), I thnk it is really due to the light swingweight throwing off my timing/tempo. My hands are coming in too fast and I have a large uncontrollable draw. Anyone else have similar experiences? To sumamize, the 3,4 I just can't hit. The 5,6 I hit hit a large draw (more than ever before), and the 7-PW I hit fairly nicely.

 

The first time I played with the clubs I had 3 birdies (good for me) with 2 of them within 2 feet of the cup. That was sweet.

 

I just want to have fun! Going foward I just want a 5-PW and will give up the 3,4 no matter the set. What's the point as I rarely hit them anyways, maybe 1X per round?

 

Any pictures of how to put on the lead tape? I'm interested as my local shop said it would be difficult due to the lack of room in the head.

[woodlandsgolfer]

Hi Everybody,

 

I am awake and ready to go!

 

For full disclosure, I am playing a stiff s300 staft and generally hit my 8 iron 155.

 

I do think the swing weight is lighter than my previous clubs (DCIs) and my practice club, which is a Callaway X-Tour 6 iron X100. No doubt. It is really evident in the long irons.

 

I am hitting the ball well (in the center of the face) but my problem is that I am problem is with accuracy. Upon a good nights rest (and reading the previous responses), I thnk it is really due to the light swingweight throwing off my timing/tempo. My hands are coming in too fast and I have a large uncontrollable draw. Anyone else have similar experiences? To sumamize, the 3,4 I just can't hit. The 5,6 I hit hit a large draw (more than ever before), and the 7-PW I hit fairly nicely.

 

The first time I played with the clubs I had 3 birdies (good for me) with 2 of them within 2 feet of the cup. That was sweet.

 

I just want to have fun! Going foward I just want a 5-PW and will give up the 3,4 no matter the set. What's the point as I rarely hit them anyways, maybe 1X per round?

 

Any pictures of how to put on the lead tape? I'm interested as my local shop said it would be difficult due to the lack of room in the head.

 

Peel and stick to the cavity. That's it. It's not difficult at all. In fact, if someone says its difficult, I don't think I would be asking their advice again. It might not look all that great, but if you get the swingweight up to where you like it, who cares. I don't think I've ever seen a iron, or for that matter any club, that you can't put lead tape on. Unless its made out of something that is so slick that no tape in the world would ever stick to it.

 

Make sure you get the roll of lead tape, not weights. Pre-cut lead tape is ok, just not the spot weights that you might encounter.

[Norboo]

Hi Everybody,

 

I am awake and ready to go!

 

For full disclosure, I am playing a stiff s300 staft and generally hit my 8 iron 155.

 

I do think the swing weight is lighter than my previous clubs (DCIs) and my practice club, which is a Callaway X-Tour 6 iron X100. No doubt. It is really evident in the long irons.

 

I am hitting the ball well (in the center of the face) but my problem is that I am problem is with accuracy. Upon a good nights rest (and reading the previous responses), I thnk it is really due to the light swingweight throwing off my timing/tempo. My hands are coming in too fast and I have a large uncontrollable draw. Anyone else have similar experiences? To sumamize, the 3,4 I just can't hit. The 5,6 I hit hit a large draw (more than ever before), and the 7-PW I hit fairly nicely.

 

The first time I played with the clubs I had 3 birdies (good for me) with 2 of them within 2 feet of the cup. That was sweet.

 

I just want to have fun! Going foward I just want a 5-PW and will give up the 3,4 no matter the set. What's the point as I rarely hit them anyways, maybe 1X per round?

 

Any pictures of how to put on the lead tape? I'm interested as my local shop said it would be difficult due to the lack of room in the head.

 

 

Ok, I'll play along.

 

First, what is your handicap?

 

Second, swing weight? most pro's can't tell the difference of 2 to 3 swing weight.

 

Are you sure it's not the shaft that is too light? Do you have Nippon Pro's by chance?

 

Why not weigh them and check thier swing weight.

[haroldminer]

Ok, I'll play along.

 

First, what is your handicap?

 

Second, swing weight? most pro's can't tell the difference of 2 to 3 swing weight.

 

Are you sure it's not the shaft that is too light? Do you have Nippon Pro's by chance?

 

Why not weigh them and check thier swing weight.

 

 

The shafts are DG S300s. The standard ones.

 

I may not be able to tell the difference in swing weight, but I can tell that one club feels heavier than another. No different than a baseball bat or anything. Is it the shafts? I don't know. Is it possible that the weight of the clubs is off? That they are too light, as in out of spec?

 

I don't know. Perhaps I will stop by my local shop and have them weight them. What specifically should I ask them to do? I don't know much in regards to club specifics.

[woodlandsgolfer]

Also, you need to check out a swingweight scale, so that you can get them accurate. They could be completely out of spec. In general, two grams at the head equals one swingweight. Most lead tape (not all) are at two inches equal one gram equal 1/2 swingweight point. So, in general, it takes about 4 inches of lead tape to bring the swingweight up 1 point.

 

I would have to disagree with the previous poster that 2-3 swingweight points is negligible. I know that I can feel it.

[haroldminer]

Could it be they are out of spec? If they were, would Mizuno replace them?

 

Is this something that commonly happens? I find it interesting that I seem to be the only one to notice this on such a popular club. What a relief that would be! Doubtful I know.

[skitoolong]

Ok, I'll play along.

 

First, what is your handicap?

 

Second, swing weight? most pro's can't tell the difference of 2 to 3 swing weight.

 

Are you sure it's not the shaft that is too light? Do you have Nippon Pro's by chance?

 

Why not weigh them and check thier swing weight.

 

 

The shafts are DG S300s. The standard ones.

 

I may not be able to tell the difference in swing weight, but I can tell that one club feels heavier than another. No different than a baseball bat or anything. Is it the shafts? I don't know. Is it possible that the weight of the clubs is off? That they are too light, as in out of spec?

 

I don't know. Perhaps I will stop by my local shop and have them weight them. What specifically should I ask them to do? I don't know much in regards to club specifics.

 

I've got the DG S300s in mine too. I wouldn't exactly call them light.

Like I said before, I decided not to fight it and go with the hybrid for the 3-5. FWIW, I'm about a 12 right now, but my iron game is pretty good.

[haroldminer]

I'm with you. Either way I am ditching the long irons...what's the point? This afternoon I am going to stop by the shop and have them weighed. I will update later for sure!

 

They feel really light to me....much lighter than the other clubs I mentioned earlier.

[gdb99]

They were too much for me too. I'm a 7 handicap, and only played 1 round with mine. Golf shouldn't be hard. ;)

I thought the X-Forged were more forgiving. But I'm going with a GI iron.

[skitoolong]

They were too much for me too. I'm a 7 handicap, and only played 1 round with mine. Golf shouldn't be hard. ;)

I thought the X-Forged were more forgiving. But I'm going with a GI iron.

 

These conversations are very informative.

 

Golf is sooooo personal in nature wrt the equipment we use. You are certainly a much better player than I, but I can't hit a GI iron to save my soul. I look down at the big offset and fat topline typical of a GI iron and I'm done before I make my backswing. I just KNOW it is going left.

 

And it does.

 

Tried the X-20 Tour. Tried the X-20. Tried the X-Tour. Tried the X-Forged, the R7, blah blah..... Left, Left, Left. Put a minimal offset, fairly thin topline iron in my hands.. ahhh. Straight to slight fade. Now granted, I may not hit them flush all of the time but I'm not digging balls out of the trees and bushes on the left side of the FW...

 

A guy just has to get out there and figger out what works for himself.

 

IMO.

[Norboo]

I tinkered with clubs for the last 8 years including setting up a full shop for my enjoyment in the basement. What it boils down to is get a set that will give you the most pleasure. Few swing weight difference here and there, few grams here and there will not make or break your swing.

 

I used to play MP-33 when I was a 7, but just don’t have the time to work those babies any longer.

 

I tested many clubs including MP-57. What I found that gives me the most pleasure is a cheap $100 top flite tour I bought online. 3 sets of Mizuno and one set of Cleveland are sitting around in my shop collecting dust. I will be listing all of them for sale soon including about 70 lbs of shafts and countless various club heads.

 

My point, pretty, shiny, and players club will not make you a better golfer. I love the expressions on my buddies faces when I take their money playing with components and a set of $100 irons.

[seriousperformance]

They were too much for me too. I'm a 7 handicap, and only played 1 round with mine. Golf shouldn't be hard. ;)

I thought the X-Forged were more forgiving. But I'm going with a GI iron.

How do you make a call like that after one round??? I play with a coupe a scratch players and I'm a 7 and we all say it takes at least 5 rounds to start knowing if a set of clubs really works for you. The X-forged is not more forgiving.

[hogan234]

R7 TPs (cast). Solid, forgiving, not clunky looking.

[mitchleary]

But I used to be able to hit a nice 4 iron....and I paid for the full set....

 

The light weight of the higher clubs doesn't bother me. It is just the lower ones, is that just me?

 

 

Is it a mental thing, you see the 3 and irons and think you cannot hit them or try too hard? I started playing last June and I know I got, and still do, with my long irons, thinking I have to kill it cause it is a 4 iron.

 

Relax and swing.

It is really too bad everyone is being told they cannot hit long irons, get hybrids. I think that does a disservice to golfers. Sure hybrids maybe easier, but who said golf was supposed to be easy?

 

i am jealous, I cannot wait to move to the 57s.

[haroldminer]

I don't hit a long iron enough times to really care. In an average round I may hit either the 3 or 4 once. Why make those shots harder?

[jones137]

R7 TPs (cast). Solid, forgiving, not clunky looking.

 

+1

 

Srixon 701's would be the forged choice.

[mitchleary]

I don't hit a long iron enough times to really care. In an average round I may hit either the 3 or 4 once. Why make those shots harder?

 

Part of it to me seems like a way to get your money. Telling you they need hybrids and four wedges. I am not getting down on people who play hybrids, just the attitude of companies that people now cannot hit X iron.

 

Easier shots are one thing, it just galls me people are told to get cavity backs cuz they are easier to hit, then be told by manufacturers, "well they did not mean the long irons are easy, so get hybrids." All sets should come with a hybrid option so you do not have 2-3 clubs per set you never use.

 

 

Would you be able to just trade your long irons in on mx 25s and have a mixed set?

[haroldminer]

^I'm fully with you.

 

A full set of clubs should be customizable with an option to buy as a combo.

 

Ideally, I'd like to get rid of the 3,4 are replace with a single hybrid. I have been toying with the idea of mixed set and I think a realistic option is to buy single clubs to replace the 5,6 57s irons with 25s. They can be picked up on ebay for pretty cheap.

 

I have been looking at what the LPGA players use and lots of them have a similar type of setup. I need to readjust my mind to put myself into that catagory rather than the men's catagory.

 

Why make the game harder?

 

Perhaps my clubs are off?! I will let everyone know later tonight when I stop by my local shop on the way home. Again, I don't think there is a a problem with the clubs. I really just think it is the difference in weight. My swing has been grooved for a decade on something heavier and I am having a problem re-adjusting my timing/tempo.

 

Perhaps I am lazy, but I don't want to spend the entire year trying to readjust to something new. I didn't think this would be a problem. When I first got them I thought the lighter weight would be an asset. I didnt feel as if I needed to swing as hard to get the same swing speed. Alas, the area I want to really improve this summer is my short game. I have limited practice time and I can't spend it on both. Does that make sense or am I just crazy?

[hmx3]

Played 2years ago the Apex ftx and after all the hype about GI I switched last season to MX 25. But I played with the MX 25 not really

well - I couldn´t find my game. Switched to the MP-57 and my game is back. For me the MP-57 is much easier to hit as the MX 25,

also in the long irons. The MP-57 are super irons, if they fit your game and your technical level. I find also the MP-57 perform better

with a heavier swingweight.

[gdb99]

They were too much for me too. I'm a 7 handicap, and only played 1 round with mine. Golf shouldn't be hard. ;)

I thought the X-Forged were more forgiving. But I'm going with a GI iron.

How do you make a call like that after one round??? I play with a coupe a scratch players and I'm a 7 and we all say it takes at least 5 rounds to start knowing if a set of clubs really works for you. The X-forged is not more forgiving.

 

It doesn't take me long to know if I'm going to like a set of irons. I agree that it does take a few rounds to know them, not to like them.

 

And the X-Forged is more forgiving. So there. ;)

[rjurkowski]

R7 TPs (cast). Solid, forgiving, not clunky looking.

 

+2

 

Great clubs...minimal offset, not overly chunky, good feel for cast, not overly penalized on mis-hits...

[haroldminer]

Played 2years ago the Apex ftx and after all the hype about GI I switched last season to MX 25. But I played with the MX 25 not really

well - I couldn´t find my game. Switched to the MP-57 and my game is back. For me the MP-57 is much easier to hit as the MX 25,

also in the long irons. The MP-57 are super irons, if they fit your game and your technical level. I find also the MP-57 perform better

with a heavier swingweight.

 

 

Maybe it is really that simple. I want to love them! Did you do anything to change your weight? Did you notice the sticks to be lighter than usual?

[skitoolong]

R7 TPs (cast). Solid, forgiving, not clunky looking.

 

+2

 

Great clubs...minimal offset, not overly chunky, good feel for cast, not overly penalized on mis-hits...

 

-1

Yuk.

[hmx3]

Maybe it is really that simple. I want to love them! Did you do anything to change your weight? Did you notice the sticks to be lighter than usual?

 

I demoed the MP-57 and althoug the demo irons had a DG S 300 the "headfeeling" was too light for me, but performed well. Ordered my MP-57

with D3/D4 and it was another club. My MP-57 are +.50" and with PX.

[caverill]

Can't speak for the 57's, but I am playing the MP-32s and I love them.

 

I have replaced my 3 and 4 irons for hybrids, not because I can't hit them but because they give me better options while playing and in some cases are easier to hit.

 

Long irons are harder to it them short irons for the same reason that a driver is harder to hit then a 3W. The length of the swing means your timing needs to be better to hit the shot.

 

When I first got my MP-32s, I really struggled with them. The feel and swing was different from my previous set. I have to agree with the poster that said it takes five rounds. I actually think it took me many more rounds.

 

I would plan on a month or two to feel right with them. Once you get the feel of the short irons, the long irons will come.

 

I would stick with it for a little longer.

 

Clark