For you guys asking for a help in picking a shaft!

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  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers  25069WRX Points: 1,637Posts: 25,069 Titanium Tees
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    On -, @joey3108 said:

    The attack angle telling me it's not good. You need to be around +4-5* to get into the ideal area to bring down your spin rate, but yet trajectory (loft setting) will definitely need to be adjusted again to get it to ideal.

    Sorry but that's not correct. His AoA with the driver isn't the problem at all and not what's causing the high spin issues. And a 4-5* up AoA is definitely not needed get the spin down. In fact, the only thing that's 'bad' about the AoA is the inconsistency. His average AoA is higher (more upward) than the tour average and they don't have the same spin issues. People really need to stop getting overly focused on AoA when it comes to driver spin. It's not even close to the top of the list when it comes to factors involving spin.

    No his driver spin is largely an impact issue and probably also a little bit too much dynamic loft - hands a bit too far behind the ball at impact. Sometimes caused by people getting a bit flippy - sometimes it can actually be caused by people trying to increase AoA in the wrong way.

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  • joey3108joey3108 Proud founding sponsor and pioneer of golfwrx Bay AreaMarshals  7884WRX Points: 256Posts: 7,884 Marshals
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    Sorry, not in my book and my sticky post!

    The guy doing the lm monitor comment is correct he should not swing the driver like an iron....that shows the iron attack angle also too steep and creating spins more than ideal. I never like talking about swing inconsistency without really looking at a video at least. Numbers can change dramatically during fitting from a small set up change and understanding what a good swing concept should be. If i have to talk about numbers problem coming from which i hate guessing base on numbers only.... It could be from ball position to far inside and to much lateral motion (sway) at impact. Launch angle average and club set up +75 mid kick shaft profile shows me that it's less likely to be a flipper... The least launch angle would be higher if he is a flipper with that set up.

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  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers  25069WRX Points: 1,637Posts: 25,069 Titanium Tees
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    Sorry - I really don't want to sound like an a** but your book is a little out of date. While in the world of instruction, it's true that a higher AoA might be able to gain one a little more optimal numbers - but that's not the same at all as saying AoA is the cause of high spin issues or poor distance. W/o the other issues present (that need to be dealt with first) sub 3000 rpm spin is very common with the posters AoA numbers - yet he's much higher than that with his spin. The TM tour averages also show this with 2600 spin average for a -1.3* AoA. So it's pretty clear that more is going on with the poster than AoA to cause his spin issues.

    And on a side note - how he feels he swings the driver isn't really relevant. Feel isn't always real. It's the results (and numbers) that matter, not the intent. And the numbers tell us that the AoA is fairly neutral and not even close to being the main issue.

    Now I certainly do agree completely that trying to interpret swing issues from just the numbers is difficult at best, deceiving at worst. Video is really the best way to judge the swing and what changes might be needed there, whether simple set-up changes or more involved changes to the mechanics. There certainly could be things that need to be addressed as far as the swing is concerned but the numbers are not telling us what that might be in this case. So the best approach to help with possible swing issues is to redirect the individual to the instruction sub-forum to post a video or go see a reputable local instructor.

    However there are things from the number that is very apparent could be addressed with equipment changes. The obvious and the most important thing those numbers tell us (starting with very poor smash factor) is that face impact location is likely very inconsistent - as well as other aspects of the delivery of the club into impact - and that inconsistency is the dominant (by far) source o his his problems. Or at least it's certainly the first thing that needs to be checked and addressed. For the driver, the bulge and roll of the face and the huge influence of gear effect with the driver means that face impact location has more influence on the results - spin, spin axis, launch and ball speed (smash factor) than anything else. So until any face impact issues have been addressed - it really means all the numbers are really meaningless in terms of any other aspect of evaluating the results and making equipment changes.

    And when it comes to fixing face impact issues with equipment - the starting place needs to be playing length and swing weight and possibly shaft weight. For most the shaft stiffness profile can be largely ignored for most at this stage - although it may need to be revisited at a later point - but only after those other factors are addressed.

    And the best way to address those issues and the face impact in general - is to go through and follow Howard's DIY fitting tutorial:
    https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/909991/diy-driver-tune-up-diy-fitting/p1

    After that, we can then look at the new numbers for things like dynamic loft and tweak static loft or maybe shaft profile to further deal with any spin issues if they still exist.

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    My daily job teaching and showing them how to do it and prove it on the course with playing results.... Theory only means nothing for customer/student who need to see and feel how to do it. Success rate says a thousand words! I'm a do'er, not a talker nor writer! Move on!

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  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers  25069WRX Points: 1,637Posts: 25,069 Titanium Tees
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    On -, @joey3108 said:

    My daily job teaching and showing them how to do it and prove it on the course with playing results.... Theory only means nothing for customer/student who need to see and feel how to do it. Success rate says a thousand words! I'm a do'er, not a talker nor writer! Move on!

    My position isn't just a matter of theory, far from it. In addition to the scientific validation, there is plenty of experience and hard data to back it up - largely thanks to the modern LM's and their use in fitting. But feel free to ignore it if you want. I have no problem letting the readers make their own decision on the matter.

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  • LaterOn61LaterOn61 Members  659WRX Points: 47Handicap: 5-7Posts: 659 Golden Tee
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    Thanks in advance

    Driver - TM M2 set at 9.5 degrees. Oban Devotion R+

    smooth backswing, aggressive downswing, moderate load of shaft

    swing consistency is 8

    I often complain I can’t feel the head

    LM - 98ss, ball speed 135, launch angle 12, spin 2,100, Path is fairly neutral but Face is constant Closed to path. AoA is + 1-2 degrees

    I would like to clean up the closed face to Path and gain more distance

    I would like to eliminate the left miss and reduce contact on the heel

    I prefer a fade

    Im 6’0” and 220lbs. Stocky build. Long torso, shorter arms

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  • DrivingrangeheroDrivingrangehero Members  147WRX Points: 92Posts: 147 Fairways
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    I recently cracked the face of my Ping G30 LS Tec driver that has the ping tour 65 shaft a x-Stiff and Ping is offering me a replacement, but it must be a reduced rate purchase for a Ping g410 low spin. I’m wondering what shaft to get? (Should I consider the Mitsubishi orange x-Stiff which is mid launch, or the tour65 which is low launch? According to the Ping website anyways ) I had two children in the past couple of years 2yr old and 2 month old and I’m only able to sneak away to a driving range sporadically, so getting professionally fit at Club Champion is not in the cards for me.

    I hit decent (newish) rangeballs at a Toptracer range My ball speed on the range balls at 50 degree New England weather is around 170mph and my launch angle is between 11-13 fairly consistently. (I know I should not hang my hat on the range ball distance, but should I be looking at a mid launch shaft, rather than the low launch shaft I currently hit? Any input would be appreciated!

    From a Top Tracer range


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  • DrivingrangeheroDrivingrangehero Members  147WRX Points: 92Posts: 147 Fairways
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    I forgot to mention, my Ping G30 was set at the small - minus Symbol so slightly less than 9 degree!

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    I need a complete reliable numbers please!

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  • DrivingrangeheroDrivingrangehero Members  147WRX Points: 92Posts: 147 Fairways
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    the last time I went on the GC2 at Dicks sporting goods was when I brought in my cracked Ping G30 lst..... I was wearing work boots, overalls and thermal underwear ( it’s cold in New England at winter time) but I did get in 10 swings so I can provide an average, albeit not my peak performance.

    I was hitting a Callaway Epic flash (regular model, not the sub zero) Driver, stiff shaft. It was the only Demo with a stiff shaft Out of 12 drivers most were Regular or senior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Ball was a Titleist Tour soft (fancy yellow)

    Ball Speed average 168.9 ( I had miss hit one badly and it was 162, most were 170-171 ish)

    Launch Angle 14.9 degrees

    azimuth -1.5

    Side spin 125L

    back spin 3199 ( I did have a miss hit that was 4200rpm, most were between 28-3000)

    Peak height was 48

    descent angle was 46

    my driver had a 2x wrap on bottom hand 1 on top in a midsize grip( the Callaway standard felt like my wife’s grip to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

    hope the additional info helps

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  • zdtallanzdtallan MarylandMembers  127WRX Points: 70Handicap: 3.2Posts: 127 Fairways
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    Hey there!

    How often you play in a month? When the weather is good, I play about 6 times per month.

    How often you practice in a month? I typically have a mid-week range or putting green section, so probably 3-4.

    How consistent do you think your swing are in a scale 1-10 ( 10 being the best )? It won't matter good or bad consistency. Consistency is probably an 8 with everything but the driver. I would put driver at a 4.

    What is your handicap now? What handicap system are they/you using?  My current GHIN is 3.2.

    What is your strength on your game? Driver? Iron? Wedge? or putter? Wedges and putter are my strength, or anything from 150 in.

    1. What is the club existing set up? ( loft, shaft, flex, swing weight, length, etc ) As detail as possible please. I play a Titleist TS3 8.5* at 45 in. with a HZRDUS Smoke Black 70g 6.0. Face is nuetral. I was properly fit for this driver in May but have since gained about 7-8mph of clubhead speed as verified by comparing data from before/after using the same launch monitors.

    2. What type of swinger are you ( smooth or quick tempo swinger )? Loading factor on your swing? Heavy or light loader? I have a quicker tempo with my swing and tend to load it pretty good now. I have been gaining clubhead speed the last couple of months which is why my shaft is now in question.

    3. On a scale 1-10 how consistent is your swing? where is your striking ability? With driver, it is probably a 4. I strike everything well and can move the ball left and right when needed. Driver contact when bad is lower on the face.

    4. What is the the problem w/ the existing set up? Since gaining speed, the shaft feels loose to me. I’m increasingly hitting more balloon balls that have a harder right curvature.

    5. Have you ever had a launch monitor session before? What brand of LM (flightscope LM is one of my best recommendation)? ( swing speed, launch angle, ball speed, spin rate, Swing path,Attack angle, side spins, etc?) I have recently been on Trackman and GCQuad to get figures from both, which were both within reasonable range. SS 110-111. Launch 10-12, Ball Speed 159-166, Spin 2200-3600!, Swing Path 4 in-to-out, AoA 3-4+.

    6. What are you trying to change or achieve on your new set up? I want a tighter dispersion and to minimize balloon balls on my mishit lower on the face.

    7. What is your shots tendency on mistakes when you are not playing so good? Do you have any problem missing a shots on the face of the club? where? Contact stays pretty center, but moves lower on face when I’m not swinging well. It feels now that the clubface is not getting squared when I’m going at one.

    8. What is your shots tendency (ball flight) that you like when you are playing good? When playing well, I prefer to play a 5-10 yard cut with a penetrating flight.

    9. If you have to pick, what ball flight is more comfortable for you to hit...High or low? Draw or Fade? Fade preferred but need to be able to move it both ways at home course. Low is preferred when trying to minimize spin.

    10. What type of course condition you are playing most? Where are you from? Maryland, home course is tight and must be placed in correct areas for ideal scoring. 

    11. Body build and postures? height? etc. 5’10, 180 lbs. Athletic.

    12. What is your glove size? What is the length of your wrist to longest fingers and length of your longest finger? (Left for RH golfer and vice versa for LH golfer) Cadet Medium Glove. 6.5 inches.

    13. If you have to be honest, who your swing look like on PGA tour? at least who do you like it to be? Top of backswing looks a lot like Koepka but with more lead knee bend. Finish is higher than his though.

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    Taylormade M5 9.0* Tensei Pro White 60tx

    TEE CBX 119 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke 80

    Srixon U65 2 Iron Recoil Proto Utility 110 F5

    Srixon z765 4-P Modus 120 S

    Cleveland RTX 4.0 Raw (52, 56, 60 x-low)

    Toulon Austin

  • MychMych Members  2208WRX Points: 410Posts: 2,208 Platinum Tees
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    I wish I could figure out why I like certain shafts, so that I could identify other shafts that are similar. My current gamer is a Cobra Fly-Z 9* head with an Elements Chrome 6F4 shaft playing at 44.5". I have another head coming in (Ping Anser 8.5*) and have a bunch of shafts in my stash, but can't figure out which one would be most similar to the Chrome.

    In the stash (all stiff flex):

    Diamana Blueboard 73 (and an identical Blueboard flowerband)

    Diamana Whiteboard 62

    Kuro Kage

    Matrix Ozik 70S

    Matrix Red Tie 6Q3 (previous gamer)

    Aldila RIP Alpha 70


    Probably a few others if I dug or pulled a shaft from another club. I'd prefer not to disassemble my gamer for an experiment (different brands/adapters).

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    "Of all the hazards, fear is the worst" - Sam Snead
    WITB: Cobra Fly-Z 9.5 ~ Ping Anser 4w ~ Ping G30 3h ~ Cobra Forged Tec One 3i ~ Cobra King Forged One 4-P ~ Cobra King 50-V, 56-WL ~ Evnroll ER3
  • kstevensonkstevenson Members  18WRX Points: 79Handicap: 2Posts: 18 Bunkers
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    Iron fitting Questionnaire:




    1. Have you had a dynamic fitting before? lie angle? Loft? Yes. True spec


    2. What is the existing set up specs and shaft, etc? Detail please! Currently playing Srixon z785 w amt white s300 tour. 1deg flat 4-7 std lie 8-pw


    3. Have you ever been on a launch monitor session? what are the numbers (detail)? what brand of machine?DO NOT POST IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE LM DATA. 

    Yes. At the time I was playing Titleist AP2 714 with KBS tour s. Standard loft and lie. Below are the numbers where the fitter but me in a TM 790 w oti 105 s. All the numbers were almost identical except spin dropped 500rpm and height was 10ft less so I picked up distance on the roll.

    4. What is your existing complain on your current set up? By going to the AMT I feel like I picked up some spin and height but still not enough. I like the weight in short irons but miss it in long irons.


    5. What do you want to see it change/what is the problem? I can’t seem to settle on a Shaft. I played KBS tour S for about 10 years. But I’m losing spin and height in long irons. 4-6. Makes it tough to hold greens. And I really don’t spin my short irons like I used to.


    6. What do you prefer to see on your ball flight? higher or lower? draw or fade? I like to work it both ways but go to is a draw. Fades seem to be more difficult. I used to hit it real high and struggled to keep it down. Now it’s the opposite.


    7. What is your ball flight tendency on your good golfing day? Medium height draw


    8. Which side is your mistake tendency? left or right side? any problem catching the sweet spot? where? Over hook or block right. Misses tend to be toward heel.


    9. Do you consider yourself a High ball hitter or low ball hitter? Medium


    10. If you have to pick, what ball flight is more comfortable for you to hit...High or low? Draw or Fade? Lower draw


    11. How far you hit a 5 iron on a good no wind day? 5 iron swing speed ( carry distance )?

    190 185 carry

    12. What is you measurement on Knuckle to floor with shoes on? LH for RH player vice versa on LH players

    31.25

    13. What is your measurement on wrist to floor with shoes on? LH for RH player vice versa on LH players

    35

    14. What is your glove size? What is the length of your wrist to longest fingers and length of your longest finger? (Left for RH golfer and vice versa for LH golfer) ML;4.75; 3.25


    15. How tall are you? 5’ 10”


    16. Are you a deep/medium or shallow divot taker?

    Deep to medium

    17. Who do you think your swing look like compare to PGA Tour players? Steve Stricker


    18. Smooth , medium or quick tempo swing style? How is your shaft loading factor on your down swing?

    Smooth. The load question I’m not sure. On the way down my club is at 90deg when left arm parallel to ground. And when club is parallel to ground my rt hand is over rt knee.

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  • kstevensonkstevenson Members  18WRX Points: 79Handicap: 2Posts: 18 Bunkers
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    Sorry forgot the fist part

    General questionnaire ( A must for all fitting) :

    How often you play in a month? 6-8 times

    How often you practice in a month? 4-6 times

    How consistent do you think your swing are in a scale 1-10 ( 10 being the best )? It won't matter good or bad consistency. 7

    What is your handicap now? What handicap system are they/you using? 3 ghin used to be +1 but had back and shoulder injuries

    What is your strength on your game? Driver? Iron? Wedge? or putter? Putter and short game

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  • CircaflexCircaflex Well, I gotta go now. I’ve got a lotta bouncin’ to do! Members  770WRX Points: 102Posts: 770 Golden Tee
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    Can anyone here expand on the CFS shafts that come in Pings? My 6iron SS is ~96mph and I have always been fit to stiff/x-stiff iron shafts. Currently playing KBS tour v, but bought a set of used S55's of eBay. They came with regular flex, CFS shafts in them. Took a few to the range to hit just for the heck of it, planned on pulling and having new shafts installed. Hit the 4, 5 and 6 really well, didnt bring the set with me for the round and played with my old set. Today, I took the S55s and regular shafts on the course and they go straight. Like straight every time. I dont know much about these shafts, but why on earth am I not yanking them left? I did enjoy the lighter, compared to my KBS shafted clubs, weight in them. They also have standard grips which I found to enjoy and I usually play midsize, or mid with a few wraps. I am now second guessing all of my life's decisions and wonder if I even both reshafting these, or just replacing the grips until the honey moon is over.

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    #Ping #TaylorMade #Bettinardi #Snell #Arccos #MitholoG #SunFishKnit
    GHIN: 2719293


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