Kelvin Miyahira: pro or con

[harolease]

this is a good thread. I read some of Miyahira's stuff on release and its bit too technical for my liking.
however the ideas about lateral bend and spine engine is very novel and I think it contributes a lot the golfing motion .

[golfinray]

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About 2 weeks ago I linked Kelvin's most recent article to a topic regarding an article in Golf Digest by Mike Bender .I was surprised that a number of Golfwrx members had negative comments about Kelvin .This week I linked 2 articles by Kelvin on Grip styles of Pga pros to make a point about the grip.Another poster referred to the first of these articles as "nonsense"

I on the other hand regard Kelvin's articles as some of the very best information on the web.He is at the forefront in using very high speed cameras and the use of biomechanics in golf swing analysis.

The downside is that he bases his models too much on the swings of long drivers ,especially LDA champions.He is sometimes wrong about the importance of certain muscular movements,his analysis is based too much on 2d measurements and he is not adverse to publically criticizing other instructors.The website that he backs is often petty and argumentative.To really understand his analysis a good knowledge of the golf swing and of anatomical movements is required

WHAT DO YOU THINK?
[/quote]I have 5 college degrees and can't understand a word he says, but then again I am a feel player. I think the same way about Martin Ayers. Brilliant man, just don't have any idea what he said.

[jbw749]

Is Kelvin Miyahira a pga certified instuctor? And if so does the pga of America know he is associated with a hate site?

[kacer]

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And it don't look much different other than its longer at the top and he takes a chit at p5. YAWN.
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Better or worse is in the eye of the beholder I guess, but you seriously think the only thing that makes the before and after look different is that it's longer?

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You have no idea what you are looking at if you think all that's different in these swings is that it's "longer."

Sheesh.

[Paul Booij]

Back pain gone since I started following a bit of direction from him. Happy golfer here. Hitting it further to.

[PingEye2]

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[color=#282828][quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1412637657' post='10245727'][/color]
[color=#282828]I never said anything negative about their teaching. Just said that I believe a bunch of other guys get people hitting it further and straighter. I had 4 [/color][url="http://web.com/"]web.com[/url][color=#282828] [/color][color=#282828]guys DOUBLE their number of cuts made in a year. They all finished top 25 in GIR and improved measurably tee to green. One went from never making a top 10 and losing his card to 5 in his first 10 events on the PGA Tour the following year. [/color]

[b]You're the one that chose to make it personal.[/b][color=#282828] [/quote][/color]

[color=#282828]Nonsense. You came out in attack mode and[/color][color=#282828] popped off about how great you were, and could back it up, and said what Kel and Lucas teach, anybody can do. [/color]

[color=#282828][quote][/color][b]You try to make a dig at me by bringing up an anonymous student who has taken lessons from countless teachers, admittedly abandoning their ideas, and want to place blame on me? [/b][color=#282828][b]Hell he even abandoned Lucas' advice and regressed. [/b] [/quote][/color]

[color=#282828]I wouldn't call it a "dig", I'd call it an indictment. [/color]

[color=#282828]There weren't "countless teachers", I think three, and he didn't abandon any of them. The young man played well with the first "legend" for a while, then developed a chronic miss. After six months of trying, the first one could not fix the chronic miss that developed under his tutelage. So, reluctantly, the student moved on. [/color]

[color=#282828]The next two include you and another with a similar philosophy. As before, he dedicated himself to your (plural) methods, and based on the video I saw, it was crystal clear he was doing what you told him to do: one of the most massive hip stalls I've ever seen and a roll release. He was still working with the two of you (or wasn't yet working with anyone else) when he contacted me and it was solely out of desperation. You two could not fix his chronic miss after months or perhaps years of lessons. He likes you guys, but his game wasn't getting any better, and he was running out of time and money. The young man also did not abandon Lucas' advice, he just went out and played and started to "lose it", which happens all the time with players making significant changes. He hasn't followed up with more lessons in part because he doesn't have the money right now. You and the other two "legends" have it.[/color]


[color=#282828][quote]All a teacher can do is give a student direction. Not all students are great students. And no teacher is batting 1.000. Different personalities clash or thrive together. Even if a teacher is right 100% but doesn't reach a student it won't work. Student has to put in the work. [b]My whole point was that you guys implying that these two guys are the only pros getting students hT,itting it further and straighter is ludicrous. [/b] If you wanna make it personal like you have a history of doing and being banned from every forum but your own go right ahead. I certainly don't care what you think or live and die based on your opinion of me.[/color]
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[color=#282828]No, that isn't the claim. The claim is that nobody else is taking adults with fully developed, non-elite swings and transforming them into elite swings. The standard is a complete transformation to an elite level, as seen in Lucas and Ryland, not what happened in a two hour lesson by getting someone to release faster (I've had those kind of lessons, too, and the yardage gain never lasts). You said plenty of teachers can do what Lucas has done. You got any of those documented?[/color]



[color=#282828]Jeff[/color]
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You're such a joke. Go back to your cute little website where you guys can bask in your ultimate knowledge that no one else has.

Look at how far back the average tour players swings their driver. You talk about PGA tour speed. Well if you have to swing back 60 more degrees to get close to the same speed, I wouldn't compare those. I can swing like that and add 10 mph to my normal swing too. It's just not playable. I hit one 350 yesterday doing that(ZOMG DISTANCE, ZOMG SWING SPEED). Guess what? It went 30 yards left of where I wanted and ended up OB and I made bogey.
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Nice bogey!

[MANthrax]

russc - to me his videos and articles are some times interesting, but what I do not understand his how he equates one as "good" or "Better" than another. What I mean is, he will post up Jamie Sadlowski and D Johnson and compare them to Brian Gay and Z Johnson and basically associate Jamie and Dustin as "better". Sure it is "better" if you want to hit it a long way, but I am taking Gay and Zach in a match vs those two all day every day. So which is "better". He says a stall is a bad thing, yet there are guys that have made way more money playing golf for a living with stalls than some guys that do not. So again, which is "better".

 

To me all he does it show that there is more than one way to swing a golf club and be successful. I have posted his video comparing Zach and Dustin before. I am not sure how one can extrapolate that Dustin's swing is better than Zachs? Zachs has more wins and has made more money. I don't want to hear "it is the putter and short game" either because we play golf we do not play long drive unfortunately for me. Furyk is a money making machine. He would be the "bad" in many of KMs videos.

I suppose the added distance and less timing dependent pivot driven swing should correlate to increased GIR. If this is true then it would make it better for all golfers to have this type swing. I know a lot of players as you've said make their livings and fine ones at that with stall swings but look at it as switching to a better ball. Just my thoughts as I've been looking at chasing this swing in the very near future.