It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[markheardjr]

[quote name='aswo3332' timestamp='1448294879' post='12635090']
I tried the 120s and to my eye they appeared to launch lower than my PX 5.5. If I want to keep similar weight, but get a higher launch/similar spin, would the 105 be my only option?
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105 for lighter, 125 for heavier both I feel would be higher launch but same or lower spin IMO. Nothing is going to be dead on weight and spin with higher launch from Nippon.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Jgarn117' timestamp='1448295253' post='12635112']
Does Nippon make a wedge specific shaft like KBS, DG?
[/quote]
Yes, they have the Modus Wedge in 105, 115, and 125. And they have an older WV shaft. The new Modus is a bit softer in the middle, has a bit more kick in the swing so its a bit lower launch and a bit higher spin. The original WV was more solid and muted.

Also, lots of people have found success with the various 37" iron shafts in wedges. I play an iron version Tour125 in my GW which is kind of mid/mid with a firmer tip and lets me roll the ball out a little on bump n runs. I know a few have used the Tour130. It's heavier, slightly countered, similar to a KBS HBP (High Balance Point) and it launches the ball high with lower spin (Suggest the R or S flex, not the X! Only Sergio uses 130X in his wedges.) Also the Tour120 users enjoy using the Tour120 in their wedges as well.

So lots of options or wedges from Nippon. (They have putter shafts too, which I've never tried...but want to!)

[aswo3332]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1448297104' post='12635282'][quote name='aswo3332' timestamp='1448294879' post='12635090']
I tried the 120s and to my eye they appeared to launch lower than my PX 5.5. If I want to keep similar weight, but get a higher launch/similar spin, would the 105 be my only option?
[/quote]
105 for lighter, 125 for heavier both I feel would be higher launch but same or lower spin IMO. Nothing is going to be dead on weight and spin with higher launch from Nippon.[/quote]

Thanks. I think what also threw me off is that the iron I tested the 120 in was +1 length, so the high SW combined with the heavy head feel of the 120 messed me up a bit.

[Jgarn117]

Awesome, thanks for the input... I have CTaper 130x in my bag. Even through the 56 and 60 and I am thinking on my next set (hopefully T-MBs) I am going to try Modus 130... Maybe just soft step the wedges like I did with my CTapers.

[Kale_m]

I have ping s55 with KBS ctaper 130x ssx1 and 714cb with ns pro modus 120x. Not sure on the swing weight on the s55 but the 714's have a swing weight of D4 and D5 on the PW.

Curious to see how these work out

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Kale_m' timestamp='1448315805' post='12636960']
I have ping s55 with KBS ctaper 130x ssx1 and 714cb with ns pro modus 120x. Not sure on the swing weight on the s55 but the 714's have a swing weight of D4 and D5 on the PW.

Curious to see how these work out
[/quote]
120 is heavy and stiffer in the midsection and tip so it may have a higher swingweight with a similar static weight due to the lower balance point of the shaft. Depends on CTaper balance point which I am not familiar with. Also the grips on the clubs if not the same weight.

[Philly Golf Guy]

I have the 950GH in a set of Bridgestone J15 DPF's. Before that, they were in Mizuno MP H4's. In both instances, they performed over any other shafts I;ve had in my irons. If I switch irons again, I will very likely stick with them. They're the best feeling and best balanced iron shafts I've swung.

[Kale_m]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1448316451' post='12637020']
[quote name='Kale_m' timestamp='1448315805' post='12636960']
I have ping s55 with KBS ctaper 130x ssx1 and 714cb with ns pro modus 120x. Not sure on the swing weight on the s55 but the 714's have a swing weight of D4 and D5 on the PW.

Curious to see how these work out
[/quote]
120 is heavy and stiffer in the midsection and tip so it may have a higher swingweight with a similar static weight due to the lower balance point of the shaft. Depends on CTaper balance point which I am not familiar with. Also the grips on the clubs if not the same weight.
[/quote]

Hit them side by side yesterday off mats. Have to try them again but so far the s55 and ctaper combo take the cake. I just seem to hit them so much more pure.
When I first got the s55 they had cfs xstiff shafts and they had the same feeling that these cbs with the 120x have. Just could not seem to hit them solid. Changed to ctaper x and wow it made a world of difference. Just a smooth powerful strike. Can feel the ball stick on the face.

Give them another range session and if nothing changes I might swap to the ctapers in the cbs

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Kale_m' timestamp='1448482627' post='12645932']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1448316451' post='12637020']
[quote name='Kale_m' timestamp='1448315805' post='12636960']
I have ping s55 with KBS ctaper 130x ssx1 and 714cb with ns pro modus 120x. Not sure on the swing weight on the s55 but the 714's have a swing weight of D4 and D5 on the PW.

Curious to see how these work out
[/quote]
120 is heavy and stiffer in the midsection and tip so it may have a higher swingweight with a similar static weight due to the lower balance point of the shaft. Depends on CTaper balance point which I am not familiar with. Also the grips on the clubs if not the same weight.
[/quote]

Hit them side by side yesterday off mats. Have to try them again but so far the s55 and ctaper combo take the cake. I just seem to hit them so much more pure.
When I first got the s55 they had cfs xstiff shafts and they had the same feeling that these cbs with the 120x have. Just could not seem to hit them solid. Changed to ctaper x and wow it made a world of difference. Just a smooth powerful strike. Can feel the ball stick on the face.

Give them another range session and if nothing changes I might swap to the ctapers in the cbs
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Well don't go with Nippon just on my account. I actually don't prefer either Ctaper or Tour120. I hit thin skulls with both. Ctaper is a bit dead, harsh, rigid. Tour120 is too soft for me in the top grip section. I lose feeling or the shaft and head. Ctaper to me is a bit closer to the SPB and the WV wedge shaft. Those are kind of similar to the Tour125 but that has a bit more lively action to it. I'd say you should try to find a 125 to hit if you can.

[Jgarn117]

Just started reading more and more on the Modus... It seems that the 125 is lower launching version. Anyone had experience with the NP prototype? Someone is selling them in the C10 profile and says they are lower trajectory than current Modus line. Anyone have experience with both that can comment?

[3_Putt_Par]

Haven't hit the protos, but Mark has and here's a post from another topic...

[b]2F15[/b] - 124g-126g, Counter Balanced, More spin, higher launch, similar to 1150GH Tour's. All the weight is in the butt, if you cut them down (made 2" over std.) then they get lighter fast. (Similar to Tour130)

[b]2S14 [/b]- 136g-138g, Full flex stiffer in tip section than DG X100's, 2 flexes stiffer in the Butt section. Similar to Super Peening Blues

[b]ORA[/b] - 127g-128g, Softer than 2S14's, quick high launch but flat trajectory. (Used by Paul Casey right now!) Tour version of Super Peening Orange with some added tech. (I feel very close to Tour125, maybe just a smidge lower launch & spin than 125.)

[b]C10 [/b]- 132g? Very similar to X100's but up about 1x stiffer flex in both the tip and the butt. Weight similar to X100's. Like a lighter 2S14 or a heavier ORA, also similar profile to Tour 125 but much heavier.

[jonn443]

[quote name='Jgarn117' timestamp='1448492758' post='12646588']
Just started reading more and more on the Modus... It seems that the 125 is lower launching version. Anyone had experience with the NP prototype? Someone is selling them in the C10 profile and says they are lower trajectory than current Modus line. Anyone have experience with both that can comment?
[/quote]

I wouldn't say the 125S launch low. I launch mine higher then s300s. Though they might launch a tad lower then the 120S.

Awesome iron shafts.

[Jgarn117]

[quote name='3_Putt_Par' timestamp='1448503793' post='12647182']
Haven't hit the protos, but Mark has and here's a post from another topic...

[b]2F15[/b] - 124g-126g, Counter Balanced, More spin, higher launch, similar to 1150GH Tour's. All the weight is in the butt, if you cut them down (made 2" over std.) then they get lighter fast. (Similar to Tour130)

[b]2S14 [/b]- 136g-138g, Full flex stiffer in tip section than DG X100's, 2 flexes stiffer in the Butt section. Similar to Super Peening Blues

[b]ORA[/b] - 127g-128g, Softer than 2S14's, quick high launch but flat trajectory. (Used by Paul Casey right now!) Tour version of Super Peening Orange with some added tech. (I feel very close to Tour125, maybe just a smidge lower launch & spin than 125.)

[b]C10 [/b]- 132g? Very similar to X100's but up about 1x stiffer flex in both the tip and the butt. Weight similar to X100's. Like a lighter 2S14 or a heavier ORA, also similar profile to Tour 125 but much heavier.
[/quote]

Awesome, thank you for remembering / finding this!

[MBBG]

I've an 87 mph 6i club speed, shortish swing with strong transition, high ball flight with plenty of spin. I'm 6' 225 lbs former baseball player. I've had some elbow and wrist issues and usually play composite. Currently playing MCI 120S and they're a little loose, feel like I should have gone X or hard stepped these.

Struggling with iron dispersion and wondering if going to steel but with the Nippon feel might be a good fit. And which shaft and flex you'd suggest.

[MJisGOAT]

I'd hard step the MCi first as they aren't cheap, and then if that doesn't work demo 125x or possibly 105x if you're looking for lighter.

[Jgarn117]

Just picked up the Prototype C10 shafts... Excited to put these suckers into T-MB heads and see what happens!!

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='Jgarn117' timestamp='1448761915' post='12657564']
Just picked up the Prototype C10 shafts... Excited to put these suckers into T-MB heads and see what happens!!
[/quote]Where'd you get c10's?

[MBBG]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1448750738' post='12656928']
I'd hard step the MCi first as they aren't cheap, and then if that doesn't work demo 125x or possibly 105x if you're looking for lighter.
[/quote]

Sorry I should have clarified.

I am ordering a new set of irons so the MCI in my Srixons are a moot point. They don't offer really any premium carbon options that interest me.

A little nervous to order X flex steel shafts, have never played them unless you consider C Taper 120s which are as stiff as some X flexes.

125 or 105 was kind of the way I was leaning, so we are on the same page there. Would love to be able to hit a demo first

[tyro]

I'm looking for some Nippons for a set of Titleist T-MB's. I a trying to decide between the 120 S and the 105 X. I am playing KBS Tour V 110 S right now. I like the weight, but they lack feel for me. The trajectory is a bit low too, but not terrible. I feel like I have to put an overly aggressive swing in order to all the power out of the Tour V's. I'd like something with a smoother feel too. My driver SS is +/- 105 when I'm putting a smooth swing on it.

I've tried a ton of shafts; S300's feel too heavy, Steelfiber i95's too light, Modus 3 130 felt too heavy and counterbalanced, KBS Tours feel ok, etc... I LOVE S400's in my Vokeys, so if I go with something lighter in the irons, I may change to one of the other lighter options from Modus for something different.

Any suggestions?

[pitchinwedge]

[quote name='tyro' timestamp='1448768446' post='12657894']
I'm looking for some Nippons for a set of Titleist T-MB's. I a trying to decide between the 120 S and the 105 X.

Any suggestions?
[/quote]

I thought the Titleist factory options are limited to the 1150, 120, and 130? My situation is similar to yours, so based on the options, I'm thinking about the 120 S.

[tyro]

[quote name='pitchinwedge' timestamp='1448776032' post='12658228']
[quote name='tyro' timestamp='1448768446' post='12657894']
I'm looking for some Nippons for a set of Titleist T-MB's. I a trying to decide between the 120 S and the 105 X.

Any suggestions?
[/quote]

I thought the Titleist factory options are limited to the 1150, 120, and 130? My situation is similar to yours, so based on the options, I'm thinking about the 120 S.
[/quote]

The Modus 105 is in the new Titleist shaft booklet. The 120 is about 2g heavier (114g for the 120S vs 112g for the 105X).

I think the full list of Nippon shafts in the catalog are 850, 950, Modus 3 105, 120, & 130.

I tried the Modus 105 S in the Ping i E1 and it felt way too light. It is a smooth shaft, but not stout enough in the stiff flex...or it felt that way. Perhaps it is just so much smoother than the CFS, PX 6.0, and S300 that I compared it against.

Anyway, I am leaning towards the 120 S right now.

[Jgarn117]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1448762301' post='12657596']
[quote name='Jgarn117' timestamp='1448761915' post='12657564']
Just picked up the Prototype C10 shafts... Excited to put these suckers into T-MB heads and see what happens!!
[/quote]Where'd you get c10's?
[/quote]

Found a set of pulls from a member on here. $150 with basically new NDMC grips that were soft stepped X flexes.

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='MBBG' timestamp='1448768240' post='12657888']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1448750738' post='12656928']
I'd hard step the MCi first as they aren't cheap, and then if that doesn't work demo 125x or possibly 105x if you're looking for lighter.
[/quote]

Sorry I should have clarified.

I am ordering a new set of irons so the MCI in my Srixons are a moot point. They don't offer really any premium carbon options that interest me.

A little nervous to order X flex steel shafts, have never played them unless you consider C Taper 120s which are as stiff as some X flexes.

125 or 105 was kind of the way I was leaning, so we are on the same page there. Would love to be able to hit a demo first
[/quote]I've heard the MCi play stiff to flex, so that's why I threw out x flex if you're thinking of hard stepping the stiff in the MCi.

It's not always accurate to fit shaft flex based off of swing speed, but typically 87 and up should find some x's playable. It took me tinkering for months to find the right length, frequency and swing weight that felt right, but it was an epiphany (exaggeration of course) of a trial.

Demo is a must, you may prefer the stiff in either 105 and/or 125, but I can't predict that possibility.

Another option may be the super peening blue, my fitter went from the blues to the MCi and mentioned it being nearly a "lateral transition" (paraphrased).

[SAM_PGA]

[quote name='tyro' timestamp='1448777126' post='12658256']
[quote name='pitchinwedge' timestamp='1448776032' post='12658228']
[quote name='tyro' timestamp='1448768446' post='12657894']
I'm looking for some Nippons for a set of Titleist T-MB's. I a trying to decide between the 120 S and the 105 X.

Any suggestions?
[/quote]

I thought the Titleist factory options are limited to the 1150, 120, and 130? My situation is similar to yours, so based on the options, I'm thinking about the 120 S.
[/quote]

The Modus 105 is in the new Titleist shaft booklet. The 120 is about 2g heavier (114g for the 120S vs 112g for the 105X).

I think the full list of Nippon shafts in the catalog are 850, 950, Modus 3 105, 120, & 130.

I tried the Modus 105 S in the Ping i E1 and it felt way too light. It is a smooth shaft, but not stout enough in the stiff flex...or it felt that way. Perhaps it is just so much smoother than the CFS, PX 6.0, and S300 that I compared it against.

Anyway, I am leaning towards the 120 S right now.
[/quote].

I recently made the change from Modus 120X (4 yrs running in Titleist AP2's) to the Modus 105X hard stepped once. I've always been on the lower launch side with higher spin (6i about 12* and spinning over 7K due to a steep AOA) and the new set up gave me 1* higher launch and 6i spin rate mid-high 6K. I picked up about 5 yards in the air. I stuck with the 120 for years due to its PHENOMINAL feel and consistency even with less than ideal launch conditions...just couldn't find anything better. The Modus 105 was the first shaft that benefitted me with better flight.

As far as hitting the 105 in the Ping i Ei...the fitting club is VERY light and I suspect it has much to do with Ping always having lighter swingweights. I spec'd my new 716 AP2's to be D1 and they have great feel.

[pitchinwedge]

[quote name='sampga1976' timestamp='1448802928' post='12658614']
I recently made the change from Modus 120X (4 yrs running in Titleist AP2's) to the Modus 105X hard stepped once. I've always been on the lower launch side with higher spin (6i about 12* and spinning over 7K due to a steep AOA) and the new set up gave me 1* higher launch and 6i spin rate mid-high 6K. I picked up about 5 yards in the air.
[/quote]

Very cool to hear. Still feels great? Did a fitter recommend stepping or how did you come up with the idea?

[SAM_PGA]

[quote name='pitchinwedge' timestamp='1448816537' post='12659220']
[quote name='sampga1976' timestamp='1448802928' post='12658614']
I recently made the change from Modus 120X (4 yrs running in Titleist AP2's) to the Modus 105X hard stepped once. I've always been on the lower launch side with higher spin (6i about 12* and spinning over 7K due to a steep AOA) and the new set up gave me 1* higher launch and 6i spin rate mid-high 6K. I picked up about 5 yards in the air.
[/quote]

Very cool to hear. Still feels great? Did a fitter recommend stepping or how did you come up with the idea?
[/quote]

This set up is the same setup that Scott Stallings used earlier in the year to almost defend his Farmers Championship at Torrey Pines. Our Titleist tech rep had SS's Ap2's shafted with Nippon ST Prototype hard stepped and they were money for me on TM during my fitting for the 716's. I haven't had a chance to put mine through the ringer yet...rolled and sprained my ankle 6 weeks ago and just starting making partial swings last week but so far so good.

[tyro]

[quote name='sampga1976' timestamp='1448802928' post='12658614']
[quote name='tyro' timestamp='1448777126' post='12658256']
[quote name='pitchinwedge' timestamp='1448776032' post='12658228']
[quote name='tyro' timestamp='1448768446' post='12657894']
I'm looking for some Nippons for a set of Titleist T-MB's. I a trying to decide between the 120 S and the 105 X.

Any suggestions?
[/quote]

I thought the Titleist factory options are limited to the 1150, 120, and 130? My situation is similar to yours, so based on the options, I'm thinking about the 120 S.
[/quote]

The Modus 105 is in the new Titleist shaft booklet. The 120 is about 2g heavier (114g for the 120S vs 112g for the 105X).

I think the full list of Nippon shafts in the catalog are 850, 950, Modus 3 105, 120, & 130.

I tried the Modus 105 S in the Ping i E1 and it felt way too light. It is a smooth shaft, but not stout enough in the stiff flex...or it felt that way. Perhaps it is just so much smoother than the CFS, PX 6.0, and S300 that I compared it against.

Anyway, I am leaning towards the 120 S right now.
[/quote].

I recently made the change from Modus 120X (4 yrs running in Titleist AP2's) to the Modus 105X hard stepped once. I've always been on the lower launch side with higher spin (6i about 12* and spinning over 7K due to a steep AOA) and the new set up gave me 1* higher launch and 6i spin rate mid-high 6K. I picked up about 5 yards in the air. I stuck with the 120 for years due to its PHENOMINAL feel and consistency even with less than ideal launch conditions...just couldn't find anything better. The Modus 105 was the first shaft that benefitted me with better flight.

As far as hitting the 105 in the Ping i Ei...the fitting club is VERY light and I suspect it has much to do with Ping always having lighter swingweights. I spec'd my new 716 AP2's to be D1 and they have great feel.
[/quote]

The Ping fitting club did feel super-light. That must have been to blame.

I may try the 105 X instead of the 120 S. I could use some more launch to translate into better distances for me and a steeper landing angle.

How are you liking the Modus wedge shafts? How do they compare to the stock DG or S400's?

[SAM_PGA]

I change wedge shafts like underwear. Recently monkeyed with the WV115 and Modus 115 wedge shafts. The old WV felt more lively to me but not great. I feel that the stock Vokey wedge shaft, DG S200, matches up well with the Modus 105.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='tyro' timestamp='1448768446' post='12657894']
I'm looking for some Nippons for a set of Titleist T-MB's. I a trying to decide between the 120 S and the 105 X. I am playing KBS Tour V 110 S right now. I like the weight, but they lack feel for me. The trajectory is a bit low too, but not terrible. I feel like I have to put an overly aggressive swing in order to all the power out of the Tour V's. I'd like something with a smoother feel too. My driver SS is +/- 105 when I'm putting a smooth swing on it.

I've tried a ton of shafts; S300's feel too heavy, Steelfiber i95's too light, Modus 3 130 felt too heavy and counterbalanced, KBS Tours feel ok, etc... I LOVE S400's in my Vokeys, so if I go with something lighter in the irons, I may change to one of the other lighter options from Modus for something different.

Any suggestions?
[/quote]
120S and 105X are not the same even though weight is similar. 120S is going to feel and play very soft, like LPGA soft. 105X is PGA tour X stiff worthy. I'd suggest Tour105S or Tour120X based on what you said above.

[ricci]

Hey Mark and others,

Long time reader of your advice on this thread and others. Good stuff. I've decided to test the Modus 130 and a few others if you have any suggestions. I play the Cobra Flyz Pro MB set with S400. I hit the ball in the center a lot. The feel with these shafts is just off. I like to work the ball both ways and high and low. With the s400 there's no complaints except feel (feels dead in anything but a knockdown) and I really have to make a big move to get it really high. 7Iron carry is 165-170. I took a few years off playing consisently due to back problems but my old set was Titeist 695 MB with the old rifle 6.5. Hit those great but didn't care for the clicky heads.

I have a really quick tempo but not a super agressive move on the way down. Nick Price kind of tempo. My miss is usually thin or a small hook. The 125 or 130 seem to fit the bill but coming from Dg I want to try something a little different so i got a 6 iron shaft in the 130S. I'm about 5'6" and play everything 1/2" short. Do you think this will be a big issue in butt trimming the 130? I'd prefer to play it straight in the 6 but I don't want to cut too much of the back end of the shaft off. From what I understand the butt in this shaft is key to performance. What do you think? Open to trying the 125s too. Mostly just looking for more feel and some more height when I need it. Is it tough to flights down the 130S? Thanks for listening and the information here has been really interesting and helpful.