LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[dashanks]

Bryson is being set up as the savior that will bring us all together.  Media is conditioning us to love him as part of a plan by LIV and PGAT so they can get over this feud and get back to what's important, making tons of money.

[freeze16172002]

21 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

Never knew LIV had tried and failed to secure a Friday broadcast partner

 

LIV Golf fails to land Friday TV partner in time for 2024 season

 

At the start of the LIV offseason in October, the league’s media team set a relatively straightforward goal: to add a second network partner in the United States. LIV still had another year on its agreement with the CW, yes, but that partnership only included the league’s Saturday and Sunday broadcasts. 

 

But now, two weeks into the ’24 season, it appears a deal still hasn’t materialized. 

 

 

In December, network sources told GOLF‘s Dylan Dethier that LIV’s total revenue from the 2023 season on the CW likely didn’t exceed $3 million — 

 

 

https://golf.com/news/liv-golf-2024-broadcast-friday-hot-mic/?amp=1

3 million for a entire season that is worse than I thought. The CW has to be crazy. I posted earlier that the CW could get 4x's the ad revenue with re-runs, its more like 15x's

Edited Friday at 12:58 PM by freeze16172002

[smashdn]

On 7/3/2024 at 5:01 PM, PedronNiall said:

 

What's hard to understand for me is how you're an unrelenting defender of the RB's and their rollback for the "purity" of the game and all that jazz while also an unabashed lover of LIV because at it's core it's also "pure golf" in your eyes and should be enjoyed. That you're able to toe both those lines without finding any difficulty implies that you indeed see the world in a very different way than most.

 

It's unlikely you'll come across many who espouse nostalgia and a love for the classic parts of the game while also wholeheartedly supporting the main entity most responsible for putting professional golf's continuation in jeopardy. To me, it makes no sense.

 

I have said this before, I can make a counter-argument or defend a position without actually believing that position, for the sake of discussion.

 

I think you also don't really understand why I hold the positions I do.  Using the word "purity" in the way you assess my belief is evidence of the lack of understanding.

 

I am also not a "lover of LIV".  I watch it when it suits my schedule.  It is professional golfers hitting golf shots on different courses.  That is all it is for me.

 

You last little bit there is hyperbole to me.

Edited Friday at 01:45 PM by smashdn

[Titleist99]

3 hours ago, dashanks said:

Bryson is being set up as the savior that will bring us all together.  Media is conditioning us to love him as part of a plan by LIV and PGAT so they can get over this feud and get back to what's important, making tons of money.

 

I sincerely believe this as well.🤣 They're trying hard to convince the public that we now love simpleton Bryson Dchambeau and that we miss him dearly. 

 

Getting Saudi money but making it seem like it's our idea is definitely the plan. $3B investment to be exact.... IMO

 

Bring everybody back together for the good of the game.

[tomjas]

5 hours ago, Titleist99 said:

 

I sincerely believe this as well.🤣 They're trying hard to convince the public that we now love simpleton Bryson Dchambeau and that we miss him dearly. 

 

Getting Saudi money but making it seem like it's our idea is definitely the plan. $3B investment to be exact.... IMO

 

Bring everybody back together for the good of the game.

Simpleton?

 

Take a break 

[bcjim]

3 hours ago, tomjas said:

Simpleton?

 

Take a break 

It was an accurate, if embellished, description. He went from quirky oddball to Mr. Friendly in the blink of an eye. My guess, he hired a pr firm that told him how making money works and he's doing what he is told.

[dashanks]

8 hours ago, Titleist99 said:

 

I sincerely believe this as well.🤣 They're trying hard to convince the public that we now love simpleton Bryson Dchambeau and that we miss him dearly. 

 

Getting Saudi money but making it seem like it's our idea is definitely the plan. $3B investment to be exact.... IMO

 

Bring everybody back together for the good of the game.

I know it sounds like something hatched in a WWF script, but I wouldn't doubt it.

[Archimedes65]

It’s obvious that there’s a strategy behind ‘The New and Improved Bryson 2.0’.  And why not?  He’s an entertainer.  All sorts of entertainers have PR firms/reps that help them create an image.  I don’t fault him for that.  It’s manufactured, but no more so than a thousand other entertainers.  And while I don’t see a nefarious plan behind the scenes concocted by the Tour and LIV, I’m sure they see it as a positive for any deal and will try to leverage it to the best they can, if a deal is struck.

 

As much as I don’t love phoniness of celebrities, would you rather have pro golfers out there putting out content and connecting with fans or going straight home from the course to crack open an O’Douls and make a final decision as to whether they should paint the bedroom walls beige or wheat?  Because there are far too many of the latter in pro golf.

[freeze16172002]

20 hours ago, Titleist99 said:

 

I sincerely believe this as well.🤣 They're trying hard to convince the public that we now love simpleton Bryson Dchambeau and that we miss him dearly. 

 

Getting Saudi money but making it seem like it's our idea is definitely the plan. $3B investment to be exact.... IMO

 

Bring everybody back together for the good of the game.

How do you explain it to the players that didnt take the money? LIV players coming back without penalty would not sit well with most players. IMO I dont think it would make a much of a  difference if they do come back. Bryson is playing for LIV and no one is watching. LIV has 250K viewers more or less what value is that to the PGA tour? not much, the PGA Tour is not going to be must watch TV with them. 

 

[tomjas]

Wasn’t Morocco previously on DPWT?

 

Attractive course and great place to visit 

 

 

[fowlerscousin]

I put the odds at 65% that charlie woods will be on the liv tour. But not signed for a lot of money, because he doesn't need it.

[tomjas]

9 hours ago, fowlerscousin said:

I put the odds at 65% that charlie woods will be on the liv tour. But not signed for a lot of money, because he doesn't need it.

Plus he’s not even elite for his own age group 

[dashanks]

On 7/5/2024 at 9:19 PM, Archimedes65 said:

It’s obvious that there’s a strategy behind ‘The New and Improved Bryson 2.0’.  And why not?  He’s an entertainer.  All sorts of entertainers have PR firms/reps that help them create an image.  I don’t fault him for that.  It’s manufactured, but no more so than a thousand other entertainers.  And while I don’t see a nefarious plan behind the scenes concocted by the Tour and LIV, I’m sure they see it as a positive for any deal and will try to leverage it to the best they can, if a deal is struck.

 

As much as I don’t love phoniness of celebrities, would you rather have pro golfers out there putting out content and connecting with fans or going straight home from the course to crack open an O’Douls and make a final decision as to whether they should paint the bedroom walls beige or wheat?  Because there are far too many of the latter in pro golf.

   Never been a conspiracy theorist, but what's going on between LIV and PGA Tour just smells kinda rotten.  I was naive enough to think that the Tour was the last bastion of corporate integrity.  Then, after weaponizing the grief of 9/11 survivors and their families, Monahan signs a deal with LIV.  To me, he now has no more credibility than Vince McMahon. And, of course, I would be surprised to find an ounce of decency or morality among the LIV powers that be.

   Maybe it's just a coincidence that Bryson is now being touted as the game's new golden boy, even by media types who were formerly anti-LIV hardliners.  We'll never know.  Both organizations are run with the same amount of transparency as the KGB.  To me, he will always come off as a Phil level phony, but that is beside the point, I suppose.  

   BTW, totally agree that most pro golfers could use a semester in charm school. 

   

[Holy Moses]

On 7/5/2024 at 7:56 AM, freeze16172002 said:

3 million for a entire season that is worse than I thought. The CW has to be crazy. I posted earlier that the CW could get 4x's the ad revenue with re-runs, its more like 15x's

They gambled with live sports because that can bring an audience, but LIV can’t. I’m sure Norman told them they’d get much better ratings. CW will be out as soon as their contract is up because LIV is stuck in a ratings holding pattern no matter who they sign.

[Holy Moses]

18 hours ago, fowlerscousin said:

I put the odds at 65% that charlie woods will be on the liv tour. But not signed for a lot of money, because he doesn't need it.

Tiger isn’t letting that happen

[Holy Moses]

On 7/6/2024 at 7:44 AM, freeze16172002 said:

How do you explain it to the players that didnt take the money? LIV players coming back without penalty would not sit well with most players. IMO I dont think it would make a much of a  difference if they do come back. Bryson is playing for LIV and no one is watching. LIV has 250K viewers more or less what value is that to the PGA tour? not much, the PGA Tour is not going to be must watch TV with them. 

 

Because the PGA Tour is probably losing money and the only thing the PGA Tour players hate more than LIV is a decrease in prize money which will have to occur in the near future. The investors will demand it.

Edited 22 hours ago by Holy Moses

[Holy Moses]

On 7/5/2024 at 7:56 AM, freeze16172002 said:

3 million for a entire season that is worse than I thought. The CW has to be crazy. I posted earlier that the CW could get 4x's the ad revenue with re-runs, its more like 15x's

LIV and CW are splitting revenue. So is that total revenue or are they splitting it? Either way it sssuuuccckkksss. 
 

LIV revenue at 300,000 viewers per round: $3 million

PGA Tour revenue at 2 million viewers per round: $700 million

[Titleist99]

1 hour ago, Holy Moses said:

LIV and CW are splitting revenue. So is that total revenue or are they splitting it? Either way it sssuuuccckkksss. 
 

LIV revenue at 300,000 viewers per round: $3 million

PGA Tour revenue at 2 million viewers per round: $700 million

 

Just for full Transparency:

 

      The PGAT currently also has a $2B International Media Rights Deal.

[Archimedes65]

4 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

Because the PGA Tour is probably losing money and the only thing the PGA Tour players hate more than LIV is a decrease in prize money which will have to occur in the near future. The investors will demand it.

 

The PGA Tour is not losing money.  Not even close.  The question is whether the sponsors will continue to pay the increasing fees required to sponsor an event.  But the Tour is absolutely not a money losing operation.