ID these Northwestern Cavalier Forged irons?

[dcopp7]

Junk or?  Missing the 5i

 

[HoganApexBlades]

On 2/19/2023 at 2:02 PM, dcopp7 said:

Junk or?  Missing the 5i

 

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I would say store line. There is nothing in the GOLFWORKS Bible about these clubs.

[dcopp7]

I believe they're womens

[bcstones]

hmmm....did you pick these up to play or collect? If to play, then who cares if they are from pro-line or store-line. I'd love to know the history of them also. I just read the GolfWorks guide ('50-'93 version) intro to Northwestern. Interesting....early on they sold to pro shops, then it seems sometime in the '60 began to also offer to the 80% (fair to middling golfers)....so these could be from that era. What is the shaft (might give some kind of idea of age)?

[dcopp7]

No shaft labels.  Grips are blue.  I don't care if pro or store honestly.   Tossing them in my junk collection if they have no value.  I bought a bag full for $15 mainly for the bag.  I own a golf shop and need to weed out the trash.  We usually just fill a trash can of loose/spare/junk irons and sell it for 100.00.  Just did that on Saturday AM and held off on tossing these in too.

[bcstones]

3 hours ago, dcopp7 said:

No shaft labels.  Grips are blue.  I don't care if pro or store honestly.   Tossing them in my junk collection if they have no value.  I bought a bag full for $15 mainly for the bag.  I own a golf shop and need to weed out the trash.  We usually just fill a trash can of loose/spare/junk irons and sell it for 100.00.  Just did that on Saturday AM and held off on tossing these in too.

interesting....do you know what people do w/those orphan clubs? 

[st1800e]

In the ‘70’s Northwestern was definitely common dept store brand.  

[dcopp7]

8 hours ago, bcstones said:

interesting....do you know what people do w/those orphan clubs? 

Guy Saturday said he makes up mixed sets and sells em in garage sales

[AdamMH]

They look like a nice forging, and if you were just a regular golfer and not a guy running a shop I'd say hold on for a few weeks and see if the missing club pops up somewhere... but odds are good it won't.

[bcstones]

20 hours ago, st1800e said:

In the ‘70’s Northwestern was definitely common dept store brand.  

That is what I thought also....until I read the GolfWorks '50 to '93  3rd edition guide in the Northwestern section....at least as far back as 1993, Northwestern was making clubs for the pro level AND the "middle 80%" golfers.

(that's the latest guide I have, I refuse to buy the latest 4th edition at $110....I'll wait till the 5th comes out, wait a bit & buy it at half to one fifth of that)

Edited February 22, 2023 by bcstones

[bcstones]

there is an interesting thread here in the Equipment section "What Happened to Northwestren?"...some 4 pages long & goes from 2013 to 2021, I think...alot of memories, some excellent info & a couple of idiots (the 10%er's are everywhere)

[HoganApexBlades]

2 hours ago, bcstones said:

That is what I thought also....until I read the GolfWorks '50 to '93  3rd edition guide in the Northwestern section....at least as far back as 1993, Northwestern was making clubs for the pro level AND the "middle 80%" golfers.

(that's the latest guide I have, I refuse to buy the latest 4th edition at $110....I'll wait till the 5th comes out, wait a bit & buy it at half to one fifth of that)

The only touring professionals that I recall playing Northwestern clubs were Chi Chi Rodriguez, Tom Weiskopf, Bob Murphy, Bruce Crampton and Hubert Green. I don't recall which of them were playing them in the '90s and thereafter.

[st1800e]

59 minutes ago, bcstones said:

there is an interesting thread here in the Equipment section "What Happened to Northwestren?"...some 4 pages long & goes from 2013 to 2021, I think...alot of memories, some excellent info & a couple of idiots (the 10%er's are everywhere)

Read that earlier tonight, yes, some good info.  I do remember now that the Thunderbird Irons were a Pro model.  I must correct a comment from that thread that Dave Barr played northwestern, I’m not aware that he did, but for most of his career he played TNT irons, a Canadian company , still in business today

[bcstones]

1 hour ago, HoganApexBlades said:

The only touring professionals that I recall playing Northwestern clubs were Chi Chi Rodriguez, Tom Weiskopf, Bob Murphy, Bruce Crampton and Hubert Green. I don't recall which of them were playing them in the '90s and thereafter.

Somewhere I have a Chi Chi Rodriguez club, not sure if it's a wedge or a 1 iron. Northwestern had a number of Pro's whose name were on sets - Byron Nelson, Gary Player (I didn't know that, but just picked up a putter today - a Northwestern Gary Player 804), Nancy Lopez, Judy Pung, Betty Jameson, and probably more but that's all that comes to mind at the moment.

[BIG STU]

2 hours ago, HoganApexBlades said:

The only touring professionals that I recall playing Northwestern clubs were Chi Chi Rodriguez, Tom Weiskopf, Bob Murphy, Bruce Crampton and Hubert Green. I don't recall which of them were playing them in the '90s and thereafter.

Gary Player also---- A course down here right by the house called Blackmoor was designed by Player. Inside there is one of Gary Players staff bags and it indeed is a Northwestern

[HoganApexBlades]

4 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Gary Player also---- A course down here right by the house called Blackmoor was designed by Player. Inside there is one of Gary Players staff bags and it indeed is a Northwestern

Hi Stu,

Wasn't Gary Player a DUNLOP staffer?

[BIG STU]

28 minutes ago, HoganApexBlades said:

Hi Stu,

Wasn't Gary Player a DUNLOP staffer?

He was across the pond but I do not know his exact deal over here. I know the bag is green and white and has "Northwestern Golf Company Gary Player" on it

[bcstones]

5 hours ago, HoganApexBlades said:

Wasn't Gary Player a DUNLOP staffer?

He also supposedly played the Shakespeare "Black Knight" fiberglass shafted clubs....I have a couple of those black shafted Shakespear/GaryPlayer clubs & a full iron set of the yellow shafted ones. 
I'd been told he disliked them to the extent, that while being sponsored by Shakespeare, he painted his old set w/the steel shafts black & played them...not sure how true that story is, tho.

Edited February 22, 2023 by bcstones

[Jiggered]

8 hours ago, HoganApexBlades said:

Hi Stu,

Wasn't Gary Player a DUNLOP staffer?

 

In the UK (as everywhere else!) Gary was never one to miss a possible deal, these are the UK brands he had named clubs with that I'm aware of.

 

- Slazenger, circa 1962

- John Letters, circa 1965 to 1974

- Craigton Golf, circa 1975?

- Penfold, circa 1976 to 1978

 

He was with Dunlop in Australia.

[st1800e]

Some US pros that played The Open in the early days would sign a one off deal with Dunlop or others and put their regular clubs in a Dunlop bag at The Open.  

[Shallowface]

On 2/21/2023 at 8:09 PM, bcstones said:

That is what I thought also....until I read the GolfWorks '50 to '93  3rd edition guide in the Northwestern section....at least as far back as 1993, Northwestern was making clubs for the pro level AND the "middle 80%" golfers.

(that's the latest guide I have, I refuse to buy the latest 4th edition at $110....I'll wait till the 5th comes out, wait a bit & buy it at half to one fifth of that)

The 4th edition was the last one.  I don't believe we'll ever see a 5th.  

[bcstones]

1 hour ago, Shallowface said:

The 4th edition was the last one.  I don't believe we'll ever see a 5th.  

okay...I'll wait a couple of years to see if their might be different printings....

Why don't you think there will be a 5th?

[AdamMH]

15 hours ago, bcstones said:

okay...I'll wait a couple of years to see if their might be different printings....

Why don't you think there will be a 5th?

There's truly next to no reason for GW/Maltby to invest any time into it. They saw a drop in sales when the internet came along (see this Maltby forum topic) because everybody can just look clubs up on the web for free.

The real ringer is popularity. Most people only care about the new stuff. The Equipment subforum has 2.4 million posts, and the Classic Golf subforum only has 123k.

[Hickory4ever]

8 minutes ago, AdamMH said:

There's truly next to no reason for GW/Maltby to invest any time into it. They saw a drop in sales when the internet came along (see this Maltby forum topic) because everybody can just look clubs up on the web for free.

The real ringer is popularity. Most people only care about the new stuff. The Equipment subforum has 2.4 million posts, and the Classic Golf subforum only has 123k.

I have to agree, the demand for books on the old equipment is declining. The low prices of acquisition of classic stuff is an indicator that fewer people are buying and collecting. It is just the way it is.

[bcstones]

50 minutes ago, AdamMH said:

There's truly next to no reason for GW/Maltby to invest any time into it. They saw a drop in sales when the internet came along (see this Maltby forum topic) because everybody can just look clubs up on the web for free.

The real ringer is popularity. Most people only care about the new stuff. The Equipment subforum has 2.4 million posts, and the Classic Golf subforum only has 123k.

LOL....I don't care about the new stuff. I've only gone to that "Equipment forum" when directed there from a net search looking for info. I'd love to find a home for most of the sets I do have (at a reasonable price, of course). I do have a bit of a collection, but I'd rather play than collect....

[AdamMH]

48 minutes ago, Hickory4ever said:

I have to agree, the demand for books on the old equipment is declining. The low prices of acquisition of classic stuff is an indicator that fewer people are buying and collecting. It is just the way it is.

More interesting collectibles at a lower price... I'm okay with it. 🙂

[Hickory4ever]

30 minutes ago, AdamMH said:

More interesting collectibles at a lower price... I'm okay with it. 🙂

The only problem is when you have to thin the herd. 

[bcstones]

13 minutes ago, Hickory4ever said:

The only problem is when you have to thin the herd. 

yuppers....that is where I'm at now

[AdamMH]

22 hours ago, Hickory4ever said:

The only problem is when you have to thin the herd. 

No kidding. I put a 2-PW set of Australian blades up for sale on forged BST group over on FB, asked 100$, and nobody wanted them.

Hurt my feelings a little bit. 😂 Guess I'll keep them.

[Wham49]

On 2/21/2023 at 11:46 PM, st1800e said:

Read that earlier tonight, yes, some good info.  I do remember now that the Thunderbird Irons were a Pro model.  I must correct a comment from that thread that Dave Barr played northwestern, I’m not aware that he did, but for most of his career he played TNT irons, a Canadian company , still in business today

my first ever club was a cut down thunderbird 7i, from Gramps, great memories