should i be turning my hips as much as they want to?

[hacker113]

I've noticed when i turn to the top of the backswing, my hips naturally want to rotate 60-65 degrees. But what ive been doing since I started getting into golf a couple years ago, is to restrcit them in the initial couple feet of the takeaway, then they start turning. In my current swing they probably turn 40-45 degrees. I'm still conflicted about whether to rotate them freely or restrict them to 45 degrees since some instructors say restrict them more some they freely turn them.

Edited August 4, 2023 by hacker113

[iacas]

No.

 

I don't know if you want to "restrict" them in the first part, though that may be more of a feel than what's really happening. But, no, you don't want to just free-wheel them around 60°, either.

 

Have you considered trying to do something different, like "push your right butt cheek back" instead of thinking about "turning?" Change the feel to change the range of motion and mechanics?

[phizzy30]

Restricting the hips too much is not good and something that ams tend to do.  John Daly turns his hips quite a bit during his back swing which allows him to really unwind during the down swing.  I believe he talked about this many years ago.  However with that being said, having excess hip turn can also be detrimental as well depending on what you do during your down swing.

[hacker113]

21 minutes ago, iacas said:

No.

 

I don't know if you want to "restrict" them in the first part, though that may be more of a feel than what's really happening. But, no, you don't want to just free-wheel them around 60°, either.

 

Have you considered trying to do something different, like "push your right butt cheek back" instead of thinking about "turning?" Change the feel to change the range of motion and mechanics?

Yes, I tried the right hip back thing the other day and doing that it still felt too restricted, I don't know if it's a hip mobility thing or what. Maybe I was doing it incorrectly 

[MPStrat]

If you over rotate your hips or spin your pelvis in the backswing, you might very well have to feel some restriction of movement especially early in the swing.

 

Post a swing if you can 

Edited August 4, 2023 by MPStrat

[hacker113]

44 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

If you over rotate your hips or spin your pelvis in the backswing, you might very well have to feel some restriction of movement especially early in the swing.

 

Post a swing if you can 

Might be going to the range tomorrow, I'll video a few swings from diff angles

[glk]

About the  legs and how they need to move to turn the pelvis and upper body.

 

 

 

 

 

[Fuscinator]

You can increase the "X-factor" during downswing (something that a lot of people do naturally, anyway).

[hacker113]

5 hours ago, MPStrat said:

If you over rotate your hips or spin your pelvis in the backswing, you might very well have to feel some restriction of movement especially early in the swing.

 

Post a swing if you can 

 

This swings from earlier last year but you can see I'm aiming way right and hips rotate a lot, wasn't doing this consciously, it just feels comfy and natural to me. I remember after I hit this shot it went nowhere, only 225-230 yards. i wonder if the overrotated hips had anything to do with it, there wasn't much wind at all

[iacas]

IMO I'd tackle setup, posture, balance and see where that puts you first. Anything dynamic that you want to fix is putting the cart before the horse.

[MPStrat]

Yes, this is way too much hip rotation. Like iacas mentioned above, your setup needs cleaned up first. 
 

What is comfortable in the backswing is often loose and disconnected. Making a good backswing should not feel effortless. 

[hacker113]

1 hour ago, MPStrat said:

Yes, this is way too much hip rotation. Like iacas mentioned above, your setup needs cleaned up first. 
 

What is comfortable in the backswing is often loose and disconnected. Making a good backswing should not feel effortless. 

Like I said, that was an older swing. It looks quite a bit different now. I'll post my current swing soon

[glk]

8 hours ago, hacker113 said:

 

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This swings from earlier last year but you can see I'm aiming way right and hips rotate a lot, wasn't doing this consciously, it just feels comfy and natural to me. I remember after I hit this shot it went nowhere, only 225-230 yards. i wonder if the overrotated hips had anything to do with it, there wasn't much wind at all

camera angle poor - too high and to the right - and it moves during the swing.     camera should be focused on hands at hand level -helps to have an alignment rod or club at the feet a few inches in front of the toes.

 

hard to say on distance from dtl but does appear that you have a late wrist set and early cast - that would have more to do with loss of distance than the hips.

[MonteScheinblum]

Even when a better camera angle and newer swing is posted, I’m guessing setup (s curve, lack of knee bend and wide open shoulders) and EXTREMELY late wrist hinge are the issues

 

[hacker113]

On 8/5/2023 at 10:47 AM, MonteScheinblum said:

Even when a better camera angle and newer swing is posted, I’m guessing setup (s curve, lack of knee bend and wide open shoulders) and EXTREMELY late wrist hinge are the issues

 

check out my recent post, you will have a field day lol

[RichieHunt]

No, it will cause a lot of different issues.  If you turn them too much in the backswing, then they won't have enough time to turn them in the downswing.  It can also hurt your hand path, sequencing tilts, etc.  

Extension of the trail side and stretching of the upper trail side fascia will allow automatically allow for your pelvis to turn.  If you're turning the hips too much (more than 45 degrees) you are either actively turning your hips and/or you are not getting much tilt of the hips (usually goes with either retaining or adding trail knee flex in the backswing)

 

 

 

 

RH

[hacker113]

15 minutes ago, RichieHunt said:

No, it will cause a lot of different issues.  If you turn them too much in the backswing, then they won't have enough time to turn them in the downswing.  It can also hurt your hand path, sequencing tilts, etc.  

Extension of the trail side and stretching of the upper trail side fascia will allow automatically allow for your pelvis to turn.  If you're turning the hips too much (more than 45 degrees) you are either actively turning your hips and/or you are not getting much tilt of the hips (usually goes with either retaining or adding trail knee flex in the backswing)

 

 

 

 

RH

someone suggested that i feel right hip back and stretch to start backswing and thats the feel im been working on today. makes sense that if you spin your hips in the backswing thats what you will do on the downswing

[Zitlow]

People make the golf swing way too complicated. When you stand you're balanced on both feet, legs and hips. Now shift to your right foot. You're balanced on your right foot, leg and hip. Turn your shoulders, there's your hip action. 

 

This might help with your set up OP. The only tension you should feel is from the pec grab with your upper left arm. Tense muscles are slow, relaxed muscles are quick. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by Zitlow

[Zitlow]

Watch his knee action. He kicks in (flexes) his right knee and steps to his left foot as his left leg extends. Then he steps to his right foot and his right leg extends and his left knee flexes. From the top his steps left to set up the post for his right side (gate) to swing around.