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You cannot go lead side pressure early and then slide - braking force


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Interesting stuff for those of you who have gone down the rabbit hole of ground force.

 

I'm a big proponent of early lead side pressure. Watching these pressure trace videos, you can see that most better player swings have pressure shifting back to the lead side well before the top of the swing. This is paramount to reducing lateral slide in the downswing. However, it doesn't eliminate it completely. 

 

To eliminate it, learn more about breaking force. In the downswing it's when pressure has shifted to the lead side and then you start to push against where momentum is taking you. 

 

In a nutshell, in the downswing, around p5 (left arm parallel) you start to push away from the target. 

 

Get both early shift right and break force timing right, and the swing gets a lot easier. And more powerful.

 

I love the comment in this video from Lynn "force precedes motion".

 

 

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1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

Interesting stuff for those of you who have gone down the rabbit hole of ground force.

 

I'm a big proponent of early lead side pressure. Watching these pressure trace videos, you can see that most better player swings have pressure shifting back to the lead side well before the top of the swing. This is paramount to reducing lateral slide in the downswing. However, it doesn't eliminate it completely. 

 

To eliminate it, learn more about breaking force. In the downswing it's when pressure has shifted to the lead side and then you start to push against where momentum is taking you. 

 

In a nutshell, in the downswing, around p5 (left arm parallel) you start to push away from the target. 

 

Get both early shift right and break force timing right, and the swing gets a lot easier. And more powerful.

 

I love the comment in this video from Lynn "force precedes motion".

 

 

I get what you are saying in your post & agree. But for me, trying to watch the video with Dr. Scott talking with the long drive guys, I feel like I've stumbled into an upper level mathematics class in a language I don't speak or understand...

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47 minutes ago, jonsnow said:

I get what you are saying in your post & agree. But for me, trying to watch the video with Dr. Scott talking with the long drive guys, I feel like I've stumbled into an upper level mathematics class in a language I don't speak or understand...

Lol. I get that. I don't think the long drive guys understand it either...but they're not smart enough to ask questions...lol

 

 

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I'll watch the video later, but doesn't he mean braking force?

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  • getitdaily changed the title to You cannot go lead side pressure early and then slide - braking force

As a once a week player chasing distance really hurts my game lol im sure this is true for most people. I find when i just swing naturally and in control without swing thoughts like foot pressure or sway or rotation i play golf best. If i had time id want to focus a little more on footwork though. I just try to focus on what works for my game thats easy to control. If i want more power now i just take extra club instead of swing harder.

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1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

Whoops...yeah. I'll correct. 

 

It's in the title of the video. You just copied what Josh wrote. 😄 

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7 hours ago, golferdude54 said:

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Lee Trevino in his prime just past P5. Looks like a lot of lead pressure + lateral slide to me. You don’t get that much forward front knee movement unless >90% of your pressure is there.

Now find one at p6 and let me know what his lead leg looks like. That's not lateral slide, that's lateral shift. From there he brakes that lead side.

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3 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

I've yet to see many golfers get their lead hip joint past their lead ankle joint. 

For me, braking force describes what I was able to do to stop the lead knee from maintaining that saggy look into and past impact. Also helps prevent the torso from moving laterally too much. 

 

But it comes with its own potential faults.

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3 hours ago, getitdaily said:

For me, braking force describes what I was able to do to stop the lead knee from maintaining that saggy look into and past impact. Also helps prevent the torso from moving laterally too much. 

 

But it comes with its own potential faults.

I've seen some saggy knees........lead hip actually past lead ankle...not so much.

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His hip joint is never outside his ankle joint...

Okay, I see it differently but maybe I am technically wrong.  The outside of his hip is past his shoe which might be a better description.  I was worse at times anyway.  It's farther then I want my hip to be.  Nicklaus did have a hip replacement which I would prefer to avoid.

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3 minutes ago, Nels55 said:

Okay, I see it differently but maybe I am technically wrong.  The outside of his hip is past his shoe which might be a better description.  I was worse at times anyway.  It's farther then I want my hip to be.  Nicklaus did have a hip replacement which I would prefer to avoid.

Yeah the outside of the hip will always get over the ankle and more. It's the actual hip joint that is hard to. You'd be do on the outer edge of your foot that momentum would make.you fall over...or at least take a giant step to catch your balance 

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Just now, getitdaily said:

Yeah the outside of the hip will always get over the ankle and more. It's the actual hip joint that is hard to. You'd be do on the outer edge of your foot that momentum would make.you fall over...or at least take a giant step to catch your balance 

It seems fairly easy to me.  I went in front of a mirror and leaned back towards my back foot while sliding my hip forward and no problem getting there.  Maybe I am more flexible in the hip joint then you are?  At any rate I think you can see why that was not good swing mechanics for me?

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36 minutes ago, jonsnow said:

I think you mean Walter Einstein, but it was actually Isaac Newton. Or was it Walter White from Breaking Bad? Or Werner Heisenberg?

 

You'd think if it was any of them they'd have drawn the arrows in the right places.

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2 hours ago, Nels55 said:

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I don't think his lead hip joint is outside his lead foot, but the outside of his lead thigh/pelvis does look that way.  I'd think that---no other forces on your body besides gravity---you'd feel awfully tipsy balancing on the inside to middle width of your lead foot.

 

There's more forces to account for though.  My guess is he's putting a lot of force into the ground with his lead foot, using that leading, flexed and target side leaning, to push rearwards, backwards and up.  All of that will counteract what would feel like balancing on one leg otherwise, judging only by that picture.

 

@Nels55has a great point about not wanting to jack up your hip joint though.  If I really get into things, and get aggressive, it might feel natural at the time, but my left hip hurts quite a bit the next day.  

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