Neutral swing path - dispersion and consistency

[phizzy30]

5 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

My experience on the less tee.

 

0 is no bueno always.  Jim Furyk exception noted.

 

Over 5 - or + is a problem for most.  Rory and probably Bruce Lietski exceptions noted.

 

-1 or +1 is too close to zero

 

2 to 3 is ideal and 3 to 5 is usually playable.

 

AoA contribution….ie swing direction is a factor when people curve it too much.

 

0 AOA and 5 in to out is often a problem.

 

-7 AOA on a 7 iron and 5 into out, not so much depending on how it’s done.

Why is zero no bueno? 

[MonteScheinblum]

1 hour ago, phizzy30 said:

Why is zero no bueno? 

Anything but a perfect shot will work away from the target.

[mc2]

On 1/17/2024 at 3:45 AM, Kuuuch said:

I was such a headcase because I had no idea if I was going to fade it or draw it. Didn't end well. 

Welcome to my life 🥲

[PracticeSwinger]

5 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Anything but a perfect shot will work away from the target.

To the point earlier in the thread, genuinely asking - theorically and all else constant, if one guy's goes from -2 to +2 and the other hovers between 0 and +4; their dispersion should be the same?...

 

If so, then the point is more of a mental / demoralizing aspect ; because your shots always curve away from your target (and you won't know which side it'll curve on, on that particular shot) but still end up between 30ft left or 30ft right of it... as the guy drawing it would aim 30 ft right of it (righty) and will end up 30ft left for his worst over-drawn and 30ft right for a straight push... (of course, oversimplifcation, but is that a fair assumption?)

[ChaosTheory]

6 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Anything but a perfect shot will work away from the target.

 
But that target is or should always be a safe place.  So you’ve got a safe aim line and safe misses.  Compare that to some of the aim lines you use when you are always moving the ball one way.
 “I’ll cut it off that bunker….  Oops.”

[PracticeSwinger]

Feels like the 'eliminate one side of the course', 'aiming at trouble' arguments are about to burst in here

[ChaosTheory]

34 minutes ago, Varry_Hardon said:

Feels like the 'eliminate one side of the course', 'aiming at trouble' arguments are about to burst in here

 

Yeah and I don't want to start that because I think there must be something more to the story.  The best players in the world play a stock curve.  So it doesn't make sense for me to argue very hard against it.  But the best players in the world are swinging very fast.  Maybe that's part of the equation.  Recreational golfers spend their lives trying to eliminate curve balls.  That's where I am and I'm not likely to get better by undoing a lifetime of that.  But I'm a slow swinger.

 

I always like to compare to the LPGA players.  I don't know if playing a stock curve is anywhere near as prevalent there.  Maybe it is.

Edited February 9 by ChaosTheory

[skim4]

Im looking back at my Flightscope data between days with an average of 0 and days with an average of 3-5 in to out. 

 

Data is a month or two apart. So other variables may changed including club face control. And there is the fact that im not a pro. 

 

The one thing that sticks out to me are the big misses. With bad face control and a close to 0 path I hit more wide right push slices. 

 

If my bad tendency is to leave the face open to target a few degrees. A zero path is OB when that face gets too open. 

With in to out path.. a face open to target but closed to path at all will come back some and hopefully not OB. 

 

I guess the problem with this would be if one started to close the club face to target. Pull hook city? 

[PracticeSwinger]

4 minutes ago, skim4 said:

Im looking back at my Flightscope data between days with an average of 0 and days with an average of 3-5 in to out. 

 

Data is a month or two apart. So other variables may changed including club face control. And there is the fact that im not a pro. 

 

The one thing that sticks out to me are the big misses. With bad face control and a close to 0 path I hit more wide right push slices. 

 

If my bad tendency is to leave the face open to target a few degrees. A zero path is OB when that face gets too open. 

With in to out path.. a face open to target but closed to path at all will come back some and hopefully not OB. 

 

I guess the problem with this would be if one started to close the club face to target. Pull hook city? 

Copyright new golfer pattern:

• Hit impulse; OTT swing, out-in + leaving face open -> banana right of the planet;
• Working on in-out swing... face still open -> push slice;
• Have to close that face, knuckles down, motorcycle move - overdoing it -> low duck hooks and/or snap city
• Finding their best matchup and sticking to it -> money

[MonteScheinblum]

When you’re 2-3 right, your brain knows to close the face to hit it on target

When you’re 2-3 left, your brain knows to keep the face open to hit it on target.

 

When you’re zeroed out, it gets confused on what to do.  

[phizzy30]

1 hour ago, ChaosTheory said:

 

Yeah and I don't want to start that because I think there must be something more to the story.  The best players in the world play a stock curve.  So it doesn't make sense for me to argue very hard against it.  But the best players in the world are swinging very fast.  Maybe that's part of the equation.  Recreational golfers spend their lives trying to eliminate curve balls.  That's where I am and I'm not likely to get better by undoing a lifetime of that.  But I'm a slow swinger.

 

I always like to compare to the LPGA players.  I don't know if playing a stock curve is anywhere near as prevalent there.  Maybe it is.

Rec golfers shouldn't fight their natural curve.  Just try and reduce side spin enough so that ball flight becomes more predictable and playable.  Tons of strokes to saved there, IMO. 

[getitdaily]

1 hour ago, MonteScheinblum said:

When you’re 2-3 right, your brain knows to close the face to hit it on target

When you’re 2-3 left, your brain knows to keep the face open to hit it on target.

 

When you’re zeroed out, it gets confused on what to do.  

Are you subliminally saying that one's release pattern is typically ties to their path and that a neutral path makes the release pattern hard to be consistent? 

 

Because that's my belief of this matter...but I have no data to prove it.

[MonteScheinblum]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

Are you subliminally saying that one's release pattern is typically ties to their path and that a neutral path makes the release pattern hard to be consistent? 

 

Because that's my belief of this matter...but I have no data to prove it.

Yes

[Soloman1]

The brain can be a great equalizer, if you have one.

[PracticeSwinger]

On 2/9/2024 at 1:53 PM, MonteScheinblum said:

When you’re 2-3 right, your brain knows to close the face to hit it on target

When you’re 2-3 left, your brain knows to keep the face open to hit it on target.

 

When you’re zeroed out, it gets confused on what to do.  

… As DJ would say : “When you play a fade, the most important thing to do is fade the ball”