Can spining clubs be felt?

[Peter_b]

Is it called spining? When clubs oscillate on the shafts spine, is it making a difference really? My old clubs are spined, the new ones are not. The new ones I dont feel the plane as well but may be just imagination. 

[Punkekid]

Most would say that shaft "PUREing' or "spining" has little to no benefit. If you play every day, you may be able to feel the difference. The more recreational average golfer most likely will not be able to tell. Lots of good YouTube content on this. Here are a few of my favorites:

 

 

 

 

 

[AmateurAmateur]

It is essentially irrelevant. The club does not bend through one single plane during the swing, so spining/Pure’ing it for a single plane on a machine offers virtually no benefit. 

[EddieEdwards]

If you make a spine finder, you'll definately feel that shafts are stiffer in one plane or have a spine.  You probably won't notice any difference in play though.

[st1800e]

Maybe you’re referring to FLO, flat line oscillation?  Easy to do, why not?  

[Streuner]

If you do assemble your own shafts, there is no reason NOT to spine out the shafts you are working with. Just my 50c… 

AJ from Mobile Clubmaker oder Elite Fit Golf made a video once about FLO and the first bend of a shaft, nearly all shafts starting to oscillating from the middle after bending and spinning out and back 3-4 times. But the first bend stays in plane. And while swinging you bend it just once out and once back. 
 

I have reshafted my irons a lot because I like it to tinker. what I found out, there are inconsistencies during shaft sets. Once you have a full set of iron shafts to build, you notice differences in weight and in spine to. Most shafts are having next to no spine. But some shafts on the other side are having a significant spine or maybe two… and on this shafts a spine orientation will make a difference, I guess. So to spine the shafts you will build will make the consistency thru the whole set a bit better. 

[Stuart_G]

3 hours ago, Streuner said:

If you do assemble your own shafts, there is no reason NOT to spine out the shafts you are working with.

 

Actually there is.  The main reason is that you don't have to waste any money on a frequency meter.

 

Trying to FLO shafts without a  frequency meter is a waste of time.  All shafts will FLO on two axis - a weak and a strong axis.  And the frequency meter is the only way to differentiate between the two.  So if you FLO without a frequency meter, you end of with a set of clubs that are randomly oriented to a mix of strong and weak axis.  Which results in the worst possible type of match through the set.  You'd be better off not trying to match them at all.

Then there is the fact that a shaft doesn't bend in a single plane during the swing - so it's behavior when bending on a single plane in a clamp on your workbench really doesn't say anything about what's going to happen during an actual swing.

 

If you already have a freq meter, go ahead, it wont hurt anything.   But if you don't have one - it's not worth it to go buy one.

 

Yes, some shafts do have some asymmetric behavior - and ideally that's not good.   But there is nothing out there that shows or proves that any particular orientation of an asymmetric shaft is better than any other.   If a shaft really does have a lot asymmetry - enough to be a problem in the swing - it's probably best to junk it. 

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:47 AM by Stuart_G

[Stuart_G]

12 hours ago, Peter_b said:

The new ones I dont feel the plane as well but may be just imagination. 

 

Sounds more like an issue with weight - total weight or swing weight.   You need to get more detailed specs of the two sets.  Shaft model and flex, playing length, swing weight, grip size and weight?

 

If everything else is the same, spine alignment only has the potential to have a very minimal effect on the stiffness feel.  Not enough for most ams to even notice.

[Streuner]

I do not have a frequency meter and I do not FLO the shafts I am playing. I do only try to find the spine. and if this spine is moderate or significant present, I will orientate the shaft with the natual bend point of the shaft in my natual swing direction. So the weakest bend point will bend the shaft in his natural behavier during my swing.

Some people may think this is a waste of time or it is useless. This is ok for me. Dunning and Kruger told so about me...

 

Golf happens inbetween the ears, so you need to be confident about your material. Please do not bother me with to much funamental facts. 🙂

Edited Monday at 11:17 AM by Streuner

[Stuart_G]

2 hours ago, Streuner said:

I do only try to find the spine.

 

The question is how do you find the spine?  

 

There are only two known accurate ways to do that.

1) FLO with a frequency meter

2) Differential deflection

 

Bearing based spine finders are known not be accurate or reliable

 

2 hours ago, Streuner said:

and if this spine is moderate or significant present, I will orientate the shaft with the natual bend point of the shaft in my natual swing direction.

 

No one has a single natural bend axis of the shaft in their swing.

 

The exact details vary from person to person but general tendencies is similar for everyone. 

 

This is a graph of which axis the shaft is bending at any one point in time in the swing.   From the start of the down swing to impact.   You can clearly see the bend axis is continuously changing and moving throughout the swing.

 

Edited Monday at 02:02 PM by Stuart_G

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[Howard_Jones]

All my shafts is FLO aligned and CPM matched, and they always will be.
Does it matter?, for my state of mind it does, since all specs is made to the tightest possible tolerances, so when i make a crapshot, i know who to blame for that.

Edited Monday at 11:37 AM by Howard_Jones

[Stuart_G]

9 minutes ago, Howard_Jones said:

All my shafts is FLO aligned and CPM matched, and they always will be.
Does it matter?, for my state of mind it does, since all specs is made to the tightest possible tolerances, so when i make a crapshot, i know who to blame for that.

 

If you have all the equipment required to do it properly - it certainly is not going to hurt in any way. 

 

The more realistic question is whether it's worth it enough to spend the money on the right equipment if you don't already have it?  Or how effective are those measures that don't really accurately find the spine?

 

I obviously have opinions 🙂  - but in truth I'll leave each individual to answer those questions for themselves without judgement on my part.  

 

I'm more interested in making sure they have the best background knowledge to make that decision.

 

 

Edited Monday at 11:47 AM by Stuart_G

[svlido]

16 hours ago, Peter_b said:

Is it called spining? When clubs oscillate on the shafts spine, is it making a difference really? My old clubs are spined, the new ones are not. The new ones I dont feel the plane as well but may be just imagination. 

 

There really isn't a reason to not do it.  The real power is to have a set matched by PUREing because that data shows the straightness, weight, frequency, etc. so being able to sort a set based on that data would be ideal.

 

I doubt you're feeling the difference between a set that was aligned and one that wasn't.

[BREWMASTER95060]

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[Magicmarker7551]

Depends on the player whether it can be felt, but imho when you have a shaft where the weak plane is on top or nearby allowing for more droop and deflection during the impact interval… those are the shafts that need to be spined and spun into another position because they always feel the worst imo. I spine mostly to avoid a shaft randomly being inserted that way and I feel the entire set plays more consistently when all are spined with strong plane leading towards the target (so long as the weak plane isn’t on top.)

 

jmho