Lake Presidential

[Carolina Golfer 2]

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Ok, I know I can be long winded, so with that in mind I'll give you the real short version and fill in details if anyone is interested.

Yesterday we had a morning tee time at Lake Presidental, it was early enough to be in a frost delay. No problems with that I understand it's beyond the staff's control.

HOWEVER!!! The arrogance the pro shop staff namely xxxxx showed was uncacceptable. They may not have been able to control the frost delay but they certainly could have handled getting the groups out better and certainly been more understanding to those who inquired about the process.

But this doesn't surprise me, both xxxxx and head pro xxxxx....are silver spoon fed Frat Boys...who use their background at Chevy Chase Country Club to present a holier than thou attitutde toward their customers. I have played Lake Presidental probably 6 or 7 times since it's inception and in my interactions as a simple customer I have always noticed this attitude from xxxxx and xxxx particuarlly.

I said I'd make it brief so I won't go into an account of everything they did to cement this impression. But surfice it to say, yesterday presented them the opportunity to win a lot of customer appreciation and they basically laughed at how they got over on thier customers. Many could not complete the round they paid for and it wasn't acknowledged by the staff at all.

I'll continue to give my golf dollars in that area to Renditions...which isn't always perfect but has always displayed nothing but first class customer service.

I single xxxx out in the title, becuase he has his name and picture on a public website, so I don't feel I'm invading his privacy at all, xxxx picture and bio is listed as well.

I feel service always starts at the top, and employees take their lead from the boss. He has obviously done a good job of seting an example of how to be an arrogant jerk, as his pro shop staff is falling the example.

In fairness we did run into one very pleasant marshall, and I didn't get his name. But he came around asked us about our pace what hole we started and what time. We told him, he said great, keep it up and drove on his way after some pleasant talk about the weather.

EOR

[nitram]

So take your money somewhere else. Sad to say but it is only when the owner(s) of facilities take it in their pocket book they take notice.

If you feel strongly wronged or disrespected by these people (and by your post it is obvious you do) talk to his boss about it. If he/she offers you no satisfaction, they have a boss as well. Continue up the line until you get satisfaction or your head gets sore from hitting the wall.

You cannot be the only one who's had an issue with this duo, but most people don't follow through with a complaint. If and when you make the complaint, keep it unemotional, non-personal (don't call him a pompous d-bag), factual, and have a plausible idea of what will make you satisfied and a repeat customer.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='nitram' timestamp='1289676681' post='2788720']
So take your money somewhere else. Sad to say but it is only when the owner(s) of facilities take it in their pocket book they take notice.

If you feel strongly wronged or disrespected by these people (and by your post it is obvious you do) talk to his boss about it. If he/she offers you no satisfaction, they have a boss as well. Continue up the line until you get satisfaction or your head gets sore from hitting the wall.

You cannot be the only one who's had an issue with this duo, but most people don't follow through with a complaint. If and when you make the complaint, keep it unemotional, non-personal (don't call him a pompous d-bag), factual, and have a plausible idea of what will make you satisfied and a repeat customer.
[/quote]

nitram....All very good points. I will most likely do that after giving it a day or two to get the steam out of my system. I agree with you 100 percent in the way it needs to be presented to the ownership.

I run a business and that is how I would want it presented to me...take the emotion out of it and give me the facts of what happened, so I can look into it.
thanks for letting me get the steam out of my head

[ProBowler]

Nathan Presnal is a jerk and all his does is walk around with a stick up his azz and agree that he was the WRONG choice for this job ....... Sorry to say but I have played MANY other private courses ( Oakmont, Congressional, San Francisco Golf Club ect. ) and EVERY staff member in those courses have treated me in a professional manner BUT not Nathan Presnal !!!
He is just so ARROGANT !!!!
That is why I don't play there !!!!!

[doublenuts]

[quote name='ProBowler' timestamp='1290353935' post='2800949']
Nathan Presnal is a jerk and all his does is walk around with a stick up his azz and agree that he was the WRONG choice for this job ....... Sorry to say but I have played MANY other private courses ( Oakmont, Congressional, San Francisco Golf Club ect. ) and EVERY staff member in those courses have treated me in a professional manner BUT not Nathan Presnal !!!
He is just so ARROGANT !!!!
That is why I don't play there !!!!!
[/quote]

Where the heck you been?
It was a screwed up start. That other guy CG2 mentioned, Bounan. He's just horrible. You know me. I don't complain alot.
He just approached all of us as if we were hired help. That guy just exudes self importance.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='ProBowler' timestamp='1290353935' post='2800949']
xxxx is a jerk and all his does is walk around with a stick up his azz and agree that he was the WRONG choice for this job ....... Sorry to say but I have played MANY other private courses ( Oakmont, Congressional, San Francisco Golf Club ect. ) and EVERY staff member in those courses have treated me in a professional manner BUT not xxx !!!
He is just so ARROGANT !!!!
That is why I don't play there !!!!!
[/quote]

PB...Despite past differences, this is certainly one thing we agree on. You said it pretty well. I know how xxxx keeps his job, because he is xxx boy. But how xxxkeeps his job is utterly amazzing.

[priceless]

Carolina:

I certainly understand your desire not to give your hard earned money to an establishment that treats its paying clientele in such a fashion. However, I have found the best way to respond to a jerk is to ignore the jerk. There is a part of me that just does not want a jerk to keep me from something or somewhere I enjoy. If I really enjoyed the course and genuinely wanted to play it, I'd give the jerk the perverbial "number one" hand sign, have a good time and let the jerk know I couldn't care less about him.

It is my understanding that the course is associated with the Landmark Resorts. Being in the hospitality industry, perhaps through a trade or professional association, you could contact Landmark management to discuss your problems or concerns--one peer to another.

[priceless]

[quote name='ProBowler' timestamp='1290353935' post='2800949']
Nathan Presnal is a jerk and all his does is walk around with a stick up his azz and agree that he was the WRONG choice for this job ....... Sorry to say but I have played MANY other private courses ( Oakmont, Congressional, San Francisco Golf Club ect. ) and EVERY staff member in those courses have treated me in a professional manner BUT not Nathan Presnal !!!
He is just so ARROGANT !!!!
That is why I don't play there !!!!!
[/quote]

Probowler:

I thought I saw you listed as a participant in the Eastern Shore magazine's golf tounament schedule. Some buds and I considered entering the series, but chose other venues instead. If you did participate, what is your impression of the series, is it well run, worth the fee, enjoyable, etc. My buds and I did play in the Magazine's appreciation day at the Penninsula. If you haven't played it yet, by all means do so.

[muxi87]

Read the original post, but can't figure out what calling him an arrogant "frat boy" has to do with the discussion?

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='muxi87' timestamp='1290440257' post='2802345']
Read the original post, but can't figure out what calling him an arrogant "frat boy" has to do with the discussion?
[/quote]

muxi...The entire post was intent on commenting on his arrogance. The term "arrongant frat boy" is like the old saying about Porn, it's tough to describe, but you know it when you see it.

No offense to any Fraternity guys, just like any group there are good ones and bad ones. But anyone who has gone to school or been part of a Fraternity knows there are members that feel they are entitled, are better than you, and look down on you becaue you are not as good as them or come from their class (in this case a PGA Pro and a private club background).

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='priceless' timestamp='1290438993' post='2802310']
Carolina:

I certainly understand your desire not to give your hard earned money to an establishment that treats its paying clientele in such a fashion. However, I have found the best way to respond to a jerk is to ignore the jerk. There is a part of me that just does not want a jerk to keep me from something or somewhere I enjoy. If I really enjoyed the course and genuinely wanted to play it, I'd give the jerk the perverbial "number one" hand sign, have a good time and let the jerk know I couldn't care less about him.

It is my understanding that the course is associated with the Landmark Resorts. Being in the hospitality industry, perhaps through a trade or professional association, you could contact Landmark management to discuss your problems or concerns--one peer to another.
[/quote]
Priceless...I understand what you are saying and I have taken that approach with other establishments in the past. Such as Golf Galaxy and a couple restaurants that I enjoy the food of but not so much the service.

However, you spend too much hard earned money on a round of golf to contribute any more to the well being of the business. There are other courses I enjoy more and will continue to play those.

As mentioned the actual course is not bad and the conditions are generally very good. But I have no desire to support an ownership that employs and tolerates such arrogance. I have taken your and nitrams advice and notified ownership, so we will see what their response is. I expect them to "stand by their man" but I might be surprised.

[priceless]

[quote name='Carolina Golfer 2' timestamp='1290441934' post='2802394']
[quote name='muxi87' timestamp='1290440257' post='2802345']
Read the original post, but can't figure out what calling him an arrogant "frat boy" has to do with the discussion?
[/quote]

muxi...The entire post was intent on commenting on his arrogance. The term "arrongant frat boy" is like the old saying about Porn, it's tough to describe, but you know it when you see it.

No offense to any Fraternity guys, just like any group there are good ones and bad ones. But anyone who has gone to school or been part of a Fraternity knows there are members that feel they are entitled, are better than you, and look down on you becaue you are not as good as them or come from their class (in this case a PGA Pro and a private club background).
[/quote]


As a one time "frat boy", I understand your observation. But it varies between schools and the specific chapter of any given fraternity. Since it is not good to tell names and tales both, i won't. During my tenure, there was a fraternity that was fundamentally full of the jocks and another that accepted pledges based on the family balance sheet. In my specific case, my house mostlikely served as the basis for the movie "Animal House". Likewise, there is a Sorority that serves as the training venue for future "Stepford Wives". And with this particular sorority, I hear that it seems to be a universal trait to this day.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='priceless' timestamp='1290442745' post='2802414']
[quote name='Carolina Golfer 2' timestamp='1290441934' post='2802394']
[quote name='muxi87' timestamp='1290440257' post='2802345']
Read the original post, but can't figure out what calling him an arrogant "frat boy" has to do with the discussion?
[/quote]

muxi...The entire post was intent on commenting on his arrogance. The term "arrongant frat boy" is like the old saying about Porn, it's tough to describe, but you know it when you see it.

No offense to any Fraternity guys, just like any group there are good ones and bad ones. But anyone who has gone to school or been part of a Fraternity knows there are members that feel they are entitled, are better than you, and look down on you becaue you are not as good as them or come from their class (in this case a PGA Pro and a private club background).
[/quote]


As a one time "frat boy", I understand your observation. But it varies between schools and the specific chapter of any given fraternity. Since it is not good to tell names and tales both, i won't. During my tenure, there was a fraternity that was fundamentally full of the jocks and another that accepted pledges based on the family balance sheet. In my specific case, my house mostlikely served as the basis for the movie "Animal House". Likewise, there is a Sorority that serves as the training venue for future "Stepford Wives". And with this particular sorority, I hear that it seems to be a universal trait to this day.
[/quote]

You and I have had this discussion before...including the "nameless sorority"

So I'm confident you knew what I meant by it. I was going to point you out in my reply to muxi, but didn't want to "out" your affiliation !!!

[Greenie]

[quote name='Carolina Golfer 2' timestamp='1290442454' post='2802408']
[quote name='priceless' timestamp='1290438993' post='2802310']
Carolina:

I certainly understand your desire not to give your hard earned money to an establishment that treats its paying clientele in such a fashion. However, I have found the best way to respond to a jerk is to ignore the jerk. There is a part of me that just does not want a jerk to keep me from something or somewhere I enjoy. If I really enjoyed the course and genuinely wanted to play it, I'd give the jerk the perverbial "number one" hand sign, have a good time and let the jerk know I couldn't care less about him.

It is my understanding that the course is associated with the Landmark Resorts. Being in the hospitality industry, perhaps through a trade or professional association, you could contact Landmark management to discuss your problems or concerns--one peer to another.
[/quote]
Priceless...I understand what you are saying and I have taken that approach with other establishments in the past. Such as Golf Galaxy and a couple restaurants that I enjoy the food of but not so much the service.

However, you spend too much hard earned money on a round of golf to contribute any more to the well being of the business. There are other courses I enjoy more and will continue to play those.

As mentioned the actual course is not bad and the conditions are generally very good. But I have no desire to support an ownership that employs and tolerates such arrogance. I have taken your and nitrams advice and notified ownership, so we will see what their response is. I expect them to "stand by their man" but I might be surprised.
[/quote]


I don't care how good the food is, the course is, or whatever you bring up. I never support any business that gives me poor customer service. There was a time I would complain about poor service and just take it, because my complaints would fall on deaf ears. The one thing that gets any businesse's attention is lost of revenue. When that lost of revenue becomes large enough questions are asked and complaints are taken more seriously. I wont give any business any more of my money if the service is bad. If more people would do the same, then things would change.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='Greenie' timestamp='1290443878' post='2802440']
[quote name='Carolina Golfer 2' timestamp='1290442454' post='2802408']
[quote name='priceless' timestamp='1290438993' post='2802310']
Carolina:

I certainly understand your desire not to give your hard earned money to an establishment that treats its paying clientele in such a fashion. However, I have found the best way to respond to a jerk is to ignore the jerk. There is a part of me that just does not want a jerk to keep me from something or somewhere I enjoy. If I really enjoyed the course and genuinely wanted to play it, I'd give the jerk the perverbial "number one" hand sign, have a good time and let the jerk know I couldn't care less about him.

It is my understanding that the course is associated with the Landmark Resorts. Being in the hospitality industry, perhaps through a trade or professional association, you could contact Landmark management to discuss your problems or concerns--one peer to another.
[/quote]
Priceless...I understand what you are saying and I have taken that approach with other establishments in the past. Such as Golf Galaxy and a couple restaurants that I enjoy the food of but not so much the service.

However, you spend too much hard earned money on a round of golf to contribute any more to the well being of the business. There are other courses I enjoy more and will continue to play those.

As mentioned the actual course is not bad and the conditions are generally very good. But I have no desire to support an ownership that employs and tolerates such arrogance. I have taken your and nitrams advice and notified ownership, so we will see what their response is. I expect them to "stand by their man" but I might be surprised.
[/quote]


I don't care how good the food is, the course is, or whatever you bring up. I never support any business that gives me poor customer service. There was a time I would complain about poor service and just take it, because my complaints would fall on deaf ears. The one thing that gets any businesse's attention is lost of revenue. When that lost of revenue becomes large enough questions are asked and complaints are taken more seriously. I wont give any business any more of my money if the service is bad. If more people would do the same, then things would change.
[/quote]

Well Said Greenie....Preaching to the Chior here!!!

[anth]

Is this the guy?

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/nathan_presnal

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='anth' timestamp='1290463704' post='2802914']
Is this the guy?

[url="http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/nathan_presnal"]http://www.csnwashin.../nathan_presnal[/url]
[/quote]


Yeah that's him. I guess he's more interested in becoming a sports blogger than running a golf course!!

[elunoputter]

[quote name='priceless' timestamp='1290442745' post='2802414']
[quote name='Carolina Golfer 2' timestamp='1290441934' post='2802394']
[quote name='muxi87' timestamp='1290440257' post='2802345']
Read the original post, but can't figure out what calling him an arrogant "frat boy" has to do with the discussion?
[/quote]

muxi...The entire post was intent on commenting on his arrogance. The term "arrongant frat boy" is like the old saying about Porn, it's tough to describe, but you know it when you see it.

No offense to any Fraternity guys, just like any group there are good ones and bad ones. But anyone who has gone to school or been part of a Fraternity knows there are members that feel they are entitled, are better than you, and look down on you becaue you are not as good as them or come from their class (in this case a PGA Pro and a private club background).
[/quote]


As a one time "frat boy", I understand your observation. But it varies between schools and the specific chapter of any given fraternity. Since it is not good to tell names and tales both, i won't. During my tenure, there was a fraternity that was fundamentally full of the jocks and another that accepted pledges based on the family balance sheet. In my specific case, my house mostlikely served as the basis for the movie "Animal House". Likewise, there is a Sorority that serves as the training venue for future "Stepford Wives". And with this particular sorority, I hear that it seems to be a universal trait to this day.
[/quote]


When I was at Maryland U, the fraternity's were on a horseshoe shaped drive across from the campus...us commuter students didn't go over there. My first exposure to them was at regitration where they would have a flunky hold their place in line (before computers!!!). When I took my now wife to our first football game, we were going to sit in the student section like we were entitled to but the kevin bacon's (freshmen pledges?) wouldn't let people sit in some rows because they were 'reserved'. so we went to another section. And then here came the upper classmen like Nedimeyer with their tweed sports coats, their soroity girls to claim their seat right before kickoff. After the games, fraternity row was a bunch of howling drunk guys throwing stuff all over. When I saw Animal House, it seemed pretty realistic to me (except for the gaint cake roaring down the road).

Later that year, I went to Ocean city with my wife/girlfriend, her cousin and her boyfriend. the girls were going to share a room and we were going to stay with the TKE buys in a motel down the road (before people slept together as kids..). At about 1 am with guys throwing beer bottles against the wall, I and the other guy left and slept in our car outside the girl's motel.

I think the way to fit into a fraternity was to have the capacity to drink without passing out, a skill I did not have. It also seemed that they had all the corvettes to drive.

When I moved to L.A., I worked with a lady who's husband had a printer company. Whenever he got a resume with a fraternity mention, especially USC, he would jsut toss them in the trash. Revenge of the Nerds!!!

[lespaulist]

I have never played the course or met either of the two gentlemen referred to above but I can tell you that Damon Lucas, I believe he is the Director of Instruction at LP, is a top notch guy. Really nice, always willing to work with you and just an all around good guy.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='lespaulist' timestamp='1290474029' post='2803170']
I have never played the course or met either of the two gentlemen referred to above but I can tell you that Damon Lucas, I believe he is the Director of Instruction at LP, is a top notch guy. Really nice, always willing to work with you and just an all around good guy.


[/quote]

Yes, I have heard nothing but good about Damon as well. A friend of mine who's a local teaching pro, knows some students who have worked with Damon. He has had nothing but good to say about him. I think they are building a all year teaching facility at the back of the range for Damon to teach out of. It looks like it will be very nice.

Again, my beef was only with the two I mentioned. I also believe the superintent there, I think his name is Tom, is a very good guy as well. He came around during one of my rounds and asked how things were going. Very personable and seemed like he actually cared.

Overall the course has a lot of good things going for it. Unfortunately it's the head pro and what appears to be his top assistant that ruin everything else.

[doublenuts]

Presnal is censoring his blog now.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='doublenuts' timestamp='1290526605' post='2804011']
Presnal is censoring his blog now.
[/quote]
I guess he couldn't take a little constructive criticism !!!

[muxi87]

[quote name='elunoputter' timestamp='1290465928' post='2802968']
[quote name='priceless' timestamp='1290442745' post='2802414']
[quote name='Carolina Golfer 2' timestamp='1290441934' post='2802394']
[quote name='muxi87' timestamp='1290440257' post='2802345']
Read the original post, but can't figure out what calling him an arrogant "frat boy" has to do with the discussion?
[/quote]

muxi...The entire post was intent on commenting on his arrogance. The term "arrongant frat boy" is like the old saying about Porn, it's tough to describe, but you know it when you see it.

No offense to any Fraternity guys, just like any group there are good ones and bad ones. But anyone who has gone to school or been part of a Fraternity knows there are members that feel they are entitled, are better than you, and look down on you becaue you are not as good as them or come from their class (in this case a PGA Pro and a private club background).
[/quote]


As a one time "frat boy", I understand your observation. But it varies between schools and the specific chapter of any given fraternity. Since it is not good to tell names and tales both, i won't. During my tenure, there was a fraternity that was fundamentally full of the jocks and another that accepted pledges based on the family balance sheet. In my specific case, my house mostlikely served as the basis for the movie "Animal House". Likewise, there is a Sorority that serves as the training venue for future "Stepford Wives". And with this particular sorority, I hear that it seems to be a universal trait to this day.
[/quote]


When I was at Maryland U, the fraternity's were on a horseshoe shaped drive across from the campus...us commuter students didn't go over there. My first exposure to them was at regitration where they would have a flunky hold their place in line (before computers!!!). When I took my now wife to our first football game, we were going to sit in the student section like we were entitled to but the kevin bacon's (freshmen pledges?) wouldn't let people sit in some rows because they were 'reserved'. so we went to another section. And then here came the upper classmen like Nedimeyer with their tweed sports coats, their soroity girls to claim their seat right before kickoff. After the games, fraternity row was a bunch of howling drunk guys throwing stuff all over. When I saw Animal House, it seemed pretty realistic to me (except for the gaint cake roaring down the road).

Later that year, I went to Ocean city with my wife/girlfriend, her cousin and her boyfriend. the girls were going to share a room and we were going to stay with the TKE buys in a motel down the road (before people slept together as kids..). At about 1 am with guys throwing beer bottles against the wall, I and the other guy left and slept in our car outside the girl's motel.

I think the way to fit into a fraternity was to have the capacity to drink without passing out, a skill I did not have. It also seemed that they had all the corvettes to drive.

When I moved to L.A., I worked with a lady who's husband had a printer company. Whenever he got a resume with a fraternity mention, especially USC, he would jsut toss them in the trash. Revenge of the Nerds!!!
[/quote]

I just came back to see a response or two...I'll make my way out now as a former fraternity president and, ironically enough, assistant professional.

Always fun to see the ridiculous stereotypes of "frat boys". Continue your rant/debate/hatefest...didn't mean to get this thread off topic.

[doublenuts]

[quote name='muxi87' timestamp='1290527613' post='2804061']
[quote name='elunoputter' timestamp='1290465928' post='2802968']
[quote name='priceless' timestamp='1290442745' post='2802414']
[quote name='Carolina Golfer 2' timestamp='1290441934' post='2802394']
[quote name='muxi87' timestamp='1290440257' post='2802345']
Read the original post, but can't figure out what calling him an arrogant "frat boy" has to do with the discussion?
[/quote]

muxi...The entire post was intent on commenting on his arrogance. The term "arrongant frat boy" is like the old saying about Porn, it's tough to describe, but you know it when you see it.

No offense to any Fraternity guys, just like any group there are good ones and bad ones. But anyone who has gone to school or been part of a Fraternity knows there are members that feel they are entitled, are better than you, and look down on you becaue you are not as good as them or come from their class (in this case a PGA Pro and a private club background).
[/quote]


As a one time "frat boy", I understand your observation. But it varies between schools and the specific chapter of any given fraternity. Since it is not good to tell names and tales both, i won't. During my tenure, there was a fraternity that was fundamentally full of the jocks and another that accepted pledges based on the family balance sheet. In my specific case, my house mostlikely served as the basis for the movie "Animal House". Likewise, there is a Sorority that serves as the training venue for future "Stepford Wives". And with this particular sorority, I hear that it seems to be a universal trait to this day.
[/quote]


When I was at Maryland U, the fraternity's were on a horseshoe shaped drive across from the campus...us commuter students didn't go over there. My first exposure to them was at regitration where they would have a flunky hold their place in line (before computers!!!). When I took my now wife to our first football game, we were going to sit in the student section like we were entitled to but the kevin bacon's (freshmen pledges?) wouldn't let people sit in some rows because they were 'reserved'. so we went to another section. And then here came the upper classmen like Nedimeyer with their tweed sports coats, their soroity girls to claim their seat right before kickoff. After the games, fraternity row was a bunch of howling drunk guys throwing stuff all over. When I saw Animal House, it seemed pretty realistic to me (except for the gaint cake roaring down the road).

Later that year, I went to Ocean city with my wife/girlfriend, her cousin and her boyfriend. the girls were going to share a room and we were going to stay with the TKE buys in a motel down the road (before people slept together as kids..). At about 1 am with guys throwing beer bottles against the wall, I and the other guy left and slept in our car outside the girl's motel.

I think the way to fit into a fraternity was to have the capacity to drink without passing out, a skill I did not have. It also seemed that they had all the corvettes to drive.

When I moved to L.A., I worked with a lady who's husband had a printer company. Whenever he got a resume with a fraternity mention, especially USC, he would jsut toss them in the trash. Revenge of the Nerds!!!
[/quote]

I just came back to see a response or two...I'll make my way out now as a former fraternity president and, ironically enough, assistant professional.

Always fun to see the ridiculous stereotypes of "frat boys". Continue your rant/debate/hatefest...didn't mean to get this thread off topic.


[/quote]

Aww c'mon man. Don't even front that. I belonged to ITK AKA TKE at SDSU. They got kicked out of frat row.
So don't even front that frat boys are angels and stereotypes don't ring true --Mr President.

Cheers.

[priceless]

[/quote]

Aww c'mon man. Don't even front that. I belonged to ITK AKA TKE at SDSU. They got kicked out of frat row.
So don't even front that frat boys are angels and stereotypes don't ring true --Mr President.

Cheers.
[/quote]

As a True Gentleman of SAE, I agree with you that "frat boys" were not necessarily angels, but we weren't evil devils either; we just liked to party. And while the stereotypical perception is earned, such stereotype does not require that it be viewed totally negative. While we did have our members only functions, most of our activities and parties were open to anyone that wanted to attend. For me, fraternity life was just a means to suppliment and enjoy my college years, and I mean that both socially and academically. Had it not been for certain resources at the house, my GPA would have probably been a bit lower.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='muxi87' timestamp='1290527613' post='2804061']
[quote name='elunoputter' timestamp='1290465928' post='2802968']
[quote name='priceless' timestamp='1290442745' post='2802414']
[quote name='Carolina Golfer 2' timestamp='1290441934' post='2802394']
[quote name='muxi87' timestamp='1290440257' post='2802345']
Read the original post, but can't figure out what calling him an arrogant "frat boy" has to do with the discussion?
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muxi...The entire post was intent on commenting on his arrogance. The term "arrongant frat boy" is like the old saying about Porn, it's tough to describe, but you know it when you see it.

No offense to any Fraternity guys, just like any group there are good ones and bad ones. But anyone who has gone to school or been part of a Fraternity knows there are members that feel they are entitled, are better than you, and look down on you becaue you are not as good as them or come from their class (in this case a PGA Pro and a private club background).
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As a one time "frat boy", I understand your observation. But it varies between schools and the specific chapter of any given fraternity. Since it is not good to tell names and tales both, i won't. During my tenure, there was a fraternity that was fundamentally full of the jocks and another that accepted pledges based on the family balance sheet. In my specific case, my house mostlikely served as the basis for the movie "Animal House". Likewise, there is a Sorority that serves as the training venue for future "Stepford Wives". And with this particular sorority, I hear that it seems to be a universal trait to this day.
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When I was at Maryland U, the fraternity's were on a horseshoe shaped drive across from the campus...us commuter students didn't go over there. My first exposure to them was at regitration where they would have a flunky hold their place in line (before computers!!!). When I took my now wife to our first football game, we were going to sit in the student section like we were entitled to but the kevin bacon's (freshmen pledges?) wouldn't let people sit in some rows because they were 'reserved'. so we went to another section. And then here came the upper classmen like Nedimeyer with their tweed sports coats, their soroity girls to claim their seat right before kickoff. After the games, fraternity row was a bunch of howling drunk guys throwing stuff all over. When I saw Animal House, it seemed pretty realistic to me (except for the gaint cake roaring down the road).

Later that year, I went to Ocean city with my wife/girlfriend, her cousin and her boyfriend. the girls were going to share a room and we were going to stay with the TKE buys in a motel down the road (before people slept together as kids..). At about 1 am with guys throwing beer bottles against the wall, I and the other guy left and slept in our car outside the girl's motel.

I think the way to fit into a fraternity was to have the capacity to drink without passing out, a skill I did not have. It also seemed that they had all the corvettes to drive.

When I moved to L.A., I worked with a lady who's husband had a printer company. Whenever he got a resume with a fraternity mention, especially USC, he would jsut toss them in the trash. Revenge of the Nerds!!!
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I just came back to see a response or two...I'll make my way out now as a former fraternity president and, ironically enough, assistant professional.

Always fun to see the ridiculous stereotypes of "frat boys". Continue your rant/debate/hatefest...didn't mean to get this thread off topic.


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muxi....No harm. As I disclaimed, I know the sterotype doesn't fit all. Anytime someone speaks in generalzations there is always going to be some that take offense, as opposed to knowing there is some truth to the statement and that the speaker realizes not everyone of said group is guility of said behavior. You may be a perfectly nice guy, and hopefully care about the customers at your course.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

Pricless and G....Glad you guys understand. I wasn't in a fraternity, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so I felt I could speak in general terms without offending anyone. Glad you two...saw where I was coming from. You're perfect examples that I realize the generalization doesn't apply to all.

Maybe muxi saw a bit of truth in the mirror and it hit hard.

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Pricless and G....Glad you guys understand. I wasn't in a fraternity, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so I felt I could speak in general terms without offending anyone. Glad you two...saw where I was coming from. You're perfect examples that I realize the generalization doesn't apply to all.

Maybe muxi saw a bit of truth in the mirror and it hit hard.
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Actually, there is a chapter of my fraternity at Duke of all places, but they are still my brothers. However, for some reason, that chapter was not recognize by Duke's Greek council from 2003 to 2008 for some reason. But after all, it was Duke.

I would imagine while at Carolina, you had to attend at least one SAE party. Then a again, maybe you don't remember it, that can happen.

[doublenuts]

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Pricless and G....Glad you guys understand. I wasn't in a fraternity, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so I felt I could speak in general terms without offending anyone. Glad you two...saw where I was coming from. You're perfect examples that I realize the generalization doesn't apply to all.

Maybe muxi saw a bit of truth in the mirror and it hit hard.
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Actually, there is a chapter of my fraternity at Duke of all places, but they are still my brothers. However, for some reason, that chapter was not recognize by Duke's Greek council from 2003 to 2008 for some reason. But after all, it was Duke.

I would imagine while at Carolina, you had to attend at least one SAE party. Then a again, maybe you don't remember it, that can happen.
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Shocker. One going to a frat party and then not remembering ...Say it ain't so! The frat parties I hear about nowadays just about border on being a porn production.

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Shocker. One going to a frat party and then not remembering ...Say it ain't so! The frat parties I hear about nowadays border on being porn production.
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As an old timer, it is obvious to me that times have changed, and that includes fraternity life. Yes, we did our share of drinking, some sort of right of passage, I guess, but nobody died. We got sick or we passed out, but no one died. Kids, today are dying, that I don't understand.