Hogan Trivia Thread

[dalehead]

[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318075450' post='3643283']
which professional golfer was it that asked Hogan to sign his copy of modern fundamentals and before doing so Hogan thumbed through a few pages like he'd never seen it before? ie perhaps didn't write it but as some have suggested was written by sports illustrated and included what they thought would sell. correct me if i'm wrong but the book arose out of resolution of a dispute over a magazine series, he also received a cash settlement. Hogan has allegedly said that if he wrote an instruction book it would be this thick (spreading his thumb and forefinger as wide as it could go). he didn't suffer fools and even if he did write the book he wouldn't have been in the most forthcoming of moods. apologies if this issue has been argued ad nauseam around here which i suspect it has.
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Well, Hogan did not "write" Five Lessons. As we have always known the writing was done by Herbert Warren Wind based on the input, thoughts, and ideas expressed to him by Hogan. HWW writes about their collaboration in his preface to 5L.

Incidently, I am privileged to have a copy of Five Lessons personally inscribed to me and autographed by Ben Hogan. I find it hard to believe he would have put his hand to something of which he did not approve.

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[quote name='moehogan' timestamp='1318081064' post='3643485']
[quote name='JD3' timestamp='1318077743' post='3643335']
[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318075450' post='3643283']
which professional golfer was it that asked Hogan to sign his copy of modern fundamentals and before doing so Hogan thumbed through a few pages like he'd never seen it before? ie perhaps didn't write it but as some have suggested was written by sports illustrated and included what they thought would sell. correct me if i'm wrong but the book arose out of resolution of a dispute over a magazine series, he also received a cash settlement. Hogan has allegedly said that if he wrote an instruction book it would be this thick (spreading his thumb and forefinger as wide as it could go). he didn't suffer fools and even if he did write the book he wouldn't have been in the most forthcoming of moods. apologies if this issue has been argued ad nauseam around here which i suspect it has.
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I thought the trivia piece here was when asked years afterwards if he would change anything in 5Ls he said no, nothing
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Correct, JD.

PF, sounds like Faldo to me per Vasquez.
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Yes, it was Faldo via Vasquez. I have heard that one about not changing 5 lessons but he is hardly going to say otherwise when put on the spot. As it is the book has a bias towards hitting it left to right but I heard along the grapevine that had they put in what Hogan wanted to it wouldn't have sold because it would make people worse and so wouldn't be recommended to friends, generate success stories etc. If this is all true it would make sense to conclude that for Sports Illustrated it was about wanting to sell millions of copies rather than satisfy the insatiable curiosity of Hogan enthusiasts who in the larger scale are not great enough in number if profit is the objective.

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[quote name='dalehead' timestamp='1318086558' post='3643741']
[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318075450' post='3643283']
which professional golfer was it that asked Hogan to sign his copy of modern fundamentals and before doing so Hogan thumbed through a few pages like he'd never seen it before? ie perhaps didn't write it but as some have suggested was written by sports illustrated and included what they thought would sell. correct me if i'm wrong but the book arose out of resolution of a dispute over a magazine series, he also received a cash settlement. Hogan has allegedly said that if he wrote an instruction book it would be this thick (spreading his thumb and forefinger as wide as it could go). he didn't suffer fools and even if he did write the book he wouldn't have been in the most forthcoming of moods. apologies if this issue has been argued ad nauseam around here which i suspect it has.
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Well, Hogan did not "write" Five Lessons. As we have always known the writing was done by Herbert Warren Wind based on the input, thoughts, and ideas expressed to him by Hogan. HWW writes about their collaboration in his preface to 5L.

Incidently, I am privileged to have a copy of Five Lessons personally inscribed to me and autographed by Ben Hogan. I find it hard to believe he would have put his hand to something of which he did not approve.
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i'm aware of that, I'm sure he had major input, I think there may be a possibility though that it was filtered and shaped somewhat to gain mass appeal.

[dalehead]

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[quote name='dalehead' timestamp='1318086558' post='3643741']
[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318075450' post='3643283']
which professional golfer was it that asked Hogan to sign his copy of modern fundamentals and before doing so Hogan thumbed through a few pages like he'd never seen it before? ie perhaps didn't write it but as some have suggested was written by sports illustrated and included what they thought would sell. correct me if i'm wrong but the book arose out of resolution of a dispute over a magazine series, he also received a cash settlement. Hogan has allegedly said that if he wrote an instruction book it would be this thick (spreading his thumb and forefinger as wide as it could go). he didn't suffer fools and even if he did write the book he wouldn't have been in the most forthcoming of moods. apologies if this issue has been argued ad nauseam around here which i suspect it has.
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Well, Hogan did not "write" Five Lessons. As we have always known the writing was done by Herbert Warren Wind based on the input, thoughts, and ideas expressed to him by Hogan. HWW writes about their collaboration in his preface to 5L.

Incidently, I am privileged to have a copy of Five Lessons personally inscribed to me and autographed by Ben Hogan. I find it hard to believe he would have put his hand to something of which he did not approve.
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i'm aware of that, I'm sure he had major input, I think there may be a possibility though that it was filtered and shaped somewhat to gain mass appeal.
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Possible, but without supporting evidence just speculation.

If anything the evidence supports that 5 Lessons was the expression of the thoughts of Ben Hogan.

One other piece of evidence that supports this: the copyright for 5 Lessons was issued to Ben Hogan. Not to Herbert Warren Wind, Sports Illustrated, or any other person or entity.
That means Hogan had complete control over its publication. Again, from what we know of Hogan do you believe he would have allowed publication of a book on the golf swing that did not accurately reflect his thoughts?

[moehogan]

Arnold Palmer said in an interview that Mr. H never addressed him by name, but rather called him this. What name and why?

[natep]

"Fella".

I dont remember why though.

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[quote name='dalehead' timestamp='1318086558' post='3643741']
[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318075450' post='3643283']
which professional golfer was it that asked Hogan to sign his copy of modern fundamentals and before doing so Hogan thumbed through a few pages like he'd never seen it before? ie perhaps didn't write it but as some have suggested was written by sports illustrated and included what they thought would sell. correct me if i'm wrong but the book arose out of resolution of a dispute over a magazine series, he also received a cash settlement. Hogan has allegedly said that if he wrote an instruction book it would be this thick (spreading his thumb and forefinger as wide as it could go). he didn't suffer fools and even if he did write the book he wouldn't have been in the most forthcoming of moods. apologies if this issue has been argued ad nauseam around here which i suspect it has.
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Well, Hogan did not "write" Five Lessons. As we have always known the writing was done by Herbert Warren Wind based on the input, thoughts, and ideas expressed to him by Hogan. HWW writes about their collaboration in his preface to 5L.

Incidently, I am privileged to have a copy of Five Lessons personally inscribed to me and autographed by Ben Hogan. I find it hard to believe he would have put his hand to something of which he did not approve.
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i'm aware of that, I'm sure he had major input, I think there may be a possibility though that it was filtered and shaped somewhat to gain mass appeal.
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Possible, but without supporting evidence just speculation.

If anything the evidence supports that 5 Lessons was the expression of the thoughts of Ben Hogan.

One other piece of evidence that supports this: the copyright for 5 Lessons was issued to Ben Hogan. Not to Herbert Warren Wind, Sports Illustrated, or any other person or entity.
That means Hogan had complete control over its publication. Again, from what we know of Hogan do you believe he would have allowed publication of a book on the golf swing that did not accurately reflect his thoughts?
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I know he's very meticulous and proud in other areas of life but did say to Jackie Burke when he was helping someone on the range, "Why would you help him? We don't need more guys out here to beat." I think there is an element of it's a struggle and dog eat dog world in his personality. If he doesn't want one to be helped it's unlikely he'd give it all to the rest of the world. All being thousands upon thousands of hours of building a game that caused great hardship to hi early in his career.

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[quote name='natep' timestamp='1318228984' post='3651105']
"Fella".

I dont remember why though.
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My memory of that is that the first time it happened Arnie had said something about who he might be playing during the Ryder Cup in which Hogan was captain (1967 I think) and Hogan said, "you're not on the team yet fella".

[moehogan]

[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318236609' post='3651193']
[quote name='natep' timestamp='1318228984' post='3651105']
"Fella".

I dont remember why though.
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My memory of that is that the first time it happened Arnie had said something about who he might be playing during the Ryder Cup in which Hogan was captain (1967 I think) and Hogan said, "you're not on the team yet fella".
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You guys are correct about "fella". It was kind of a trick question as I really don't know the WHY ... just trying to get some insight. Heck, I'm not sure even Arnie knows or he's just not telling.

Perhaps, Mr. H resented Arnie replacing him as golf's king of the mountain or that Arnie's swashbuckling style rubbed the meticulous and reserved Mr. H the wrong way? College boy v. hard scrabble high school drop out? Arnie was also known to get pretty hot with the flat stick occasionally while Mr. H's putting skills had badly deteriorated. The Ryder cup flyover?

All of these, none of these, different reasons?

[mesegrn]

[quote name='dbleag' timestamp='1318077720' post='3643349']
What was Hogan's favorite book (to read)?

[i]Hint: it was a mental book, perhaps the secret to his mid-latter career success?[/i]
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What is the answer to this question?

[dbleag]

No guesses?

[moehogan]

[quote name='mesegrn' timestamp='1318251982' post='3651533']
[quote name='dbleag' timestamp='1318077720' post='3643349']
What was Hogan's favorite book (to read)?

[i]Hint: it was a mental book, perhaps the secret to his mid-latter career success?[/i]
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What is the answer to this question?
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[u][b]How to Relax: Scientific Body Con[/b]trol[/u] by William "Little Bill" Miller

[dbleag]

Congrats to MoeHogan!!!!!

[dalehead]

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[quote name='dalehead' timestamp='1318214648' post='3650495']
[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318212953' post='3650331']
[quote name='dalehead' timestamp='1318086558' post='3643741']
[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318075450' post='3643283']
which professional golfer was it that asked Hogan to sign his copy of modern fundamentals and before doing so Hogan thumbed through a few pages like he'd never seen it before? ie perhaps didn't write it but as some have suggested was written by sports illustrated and included what they thought would sell. correct me if i'm wrong but the book arose out of resolution of a dispute over a magazine series, he also received a cash settlement. Hogan has allegedly said that if he wrote an instruction book it would be this thick (spreading his thumb and forefinger as wide as it could go). he didn't suffer fools and even if he did write the book he wouldn't have been in the most forthcoming of moods. apologies if this issue has been argued ad nauseam around here which i suspect it has.
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Well, Hogan did not "write" Five Lessons. As we have always known the writing was done by Herbert Warren Wind based on the input, thoughts, and ideas expressed to him by Hogan. HWW writes about their collaboration in his preface to 5L.

Incidently, I am privileged to have a copy of Five Lessons personally inscribed to me and autographed by Ben Hogan. I find it hard to believe he would have put his hand to something of which he did not approve.
[/quote]

i'm aware of that, I'm sure he had major input, I think there may be a possibility though that it was filtered and shaped somewhat to gain mass appeal.
[/quote]

Possible, but without supporting evidence just speculation.

If anything the evidence supports that 5 Lessons was the expression of the thoughts of Ben Hogan.

One other piece of evidence that supports this: the copyright for 5 Lessons was issued to Ben Hogan. Not to Herbert Warren Wind, Sports Illustrated, or any other person or entity.
That means Hogan had complete control over its publication. Again, from what we know of Hogan do you believe he would have allowed publication of a book on the golf swing that did not accurately reflect his thoughts?
[/quote]


I know he's very meticulous and proud in other areas of life but did say to Jackie Burke when he was helping someone on the range, "Why would you help him? We don't need more guys out here to beat." I think there is an element of it's a struggle and dog eat dog world in his personality. If he doesn't want one to be helped it's unlikely he'd give it all to the rest of the world. All being thousands upon thousands of hours of building a game that caused great hardship to hi early in his career.
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So let me get this straight.

Hogan was afraid that someone would read his instruction book and improve their game to the point that they could challenge him and take money out of his pocket.

To prevent this from happening he filled 5 Lessons with disinformation to throw us off the track.

Is this your contention?

[tgreenwood11]

A memorable but regrettable quip Hogan made to Billy Casper, winner of the Open at Winged Foot:

"If you couldn’t putt Billy, you would be outside the ropes selling hot-dogs for a living!"

[dbleag]

Who spoke to Milton Hershey to give Hogan the Golf Pro position at Hershey CC and how long was he there?

[JD3]

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[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318212953' post='3650331']
[quote name='dalehead' timestamp='1318086558' post='3643741']
[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318075450' post='3643283']
which professional golfer was it that asked Hogan to sign his copy of modern fundamentals and before doing so Hogan thumbed through a few pages like he'd never seen it before? ie perhaps didn't write it but as some have suggested was written by sports illustrated and included what they thought would sell. correct me if i'm wrong but the book arose out of resolution of a dispute over a magazine series, he also received a cash settlement. Hogan has allegedly said that if he wrote an instruction book it would be this thick (spreading his thumb and forefinger as wide as it could go). he didn't suffer fools and even if he did write the book he wouldn't have been in the most forthcoming of moods. apologies if this issue has been argued ad nauseam around here which i suspect it has.
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Well, Hogan did not "write" Five Lessons. As we have always known the writing was done by Herbert Warren Wind based on the input, thoughts, and ideas expressed to him by Hogan. HWW writes about their collaboration in his preface to 5L.

Incidently, I am privileged to have a copy of Five Lessons personally inscribed to me and autographed by Ben Hogan. I find it hard to believe he would have put his hand to something of which he did not approve.
[/quote]

i'm aware of that, I'm sure he had major input, I think there may be a possibility though that it was filtered and shaped somewhat to gain mass appeal.
[/quote]

Possible, but without supporting evidence just speculation.

If anything the evidence supports that 5 Lessons was the expression of the thoughts of Ben Hogan.

One other piece of evidence that supports this: the copyright for 5 Lessons was issued to Ben Hogan. Not to Herbert Warren Wind, Sports Illustrated, or any other person or entity.
That means Hogan had complete control over its publication. Again, from what we know of Hogan do you believe he would have allowed publication of a book on the golf swing that did not accurately reflect his thoughts?
[/quote]


I know he's very meticulous and proud in other areas of life but did say to Jackie Burke when he was helping someone on the range, "Why would you help him? We don't need more guys out here to beat." I think there is an element of it's a struggle and dog eat dog world in his personality. If he doesn't want one to be helped it's unlikely he'd give it all to the rest of the world. All being thousands upon thousands of hours of building a game that caused great hardship to hi early in his career.
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5Ls contained several new concepts and innovative illustrations. Of course every work is a condensed version of something but I don't find it dumbed down or misleading at all. Quite the opposite all things considered

[moehogan]

[quote name='dbleag' timestamp='1318300966' post='3655301']
Who spoke to Milton Hershey to give Hogan the Golf Pro position at Hershey CC and how long was he there?
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Henry Picard.

1941-43, 1945-?

[dbleag]

[quote name='moehogan' timestamp='1318307126' post='3655753']
[quote name='dbleag' timestamp='1318300966' post='3655301']
Who spoke to Milton Hershey to give Hogan the Golf Pro position at Hershey CC and how long was he there?
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Henry Picard.

1941-43, 1945-?
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Picard is correct, and according to the recent Milton Hershey biography, Hogan represented the Hershey CC for 10 years. Many old

MoeHogan, your Hogan knowledge is good!!!

[dso1986]

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[quote name='dalehead' timestamp='1318214648' post='3650495']
[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318212953' post='3650331']
[quote name='dalehead' timestamp='1318086558' post='3643741']
[quote name='powerfade66' timestamp='1318075450' post='3643283']
which professional golfer was it that asked Hogan to sign his copy of modern fundamentals and before doing so Hogan thumbed through a few pages like he'd never seen it before? ie perhaps didn't write it but as some have suggested was written by sports illustrated and included what they thought would sell. correct me if i'm wrong but the book arose out of resolution of a dispute over a magazine series, he also received a cash settlement. Hogan has allegedly said that if he wrote an instruction book it would be this thick (spreading his thumb and forefinger as wide as it could go). he didn't suffer fools and even if he did write the book he wouldn't have been in the most forthcoming of moods. apologies if this issue has been argued ad nauseam around here which i suspect it has.
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Well, Hogan did not "write" Five Lessons. As we have always known the writing was done by Herbert Warren Wind based on the input, thoughts, and ideas expressed to him by Hogan. HWW writes about their collaboration in his preface to 5L.

Incidently, I am privileged to have a copy of Five Lessons personally inscribed to me and autographed by Ben Hogan. I find it hard to believe he would have put his hand to something of which he did not approve.
[/quote]

i'm aware of that, I'm sure he had major input, I think there may be a possibility though that it was filtered and shaped somewhat to gain mass appeal.
[/quote]

Possible, but without supporting evidence just speculation.

If anything the evidence supports that 5 Lessons was the expression of the thoughts of Ben Hogan.

One other piece of evidence that supports this: the copyright for 5 Lessons was issued to Ben Hogan. Not to Herbert Warren Wind, Sports Illustrated, or any other person or entity.
That means Hogan had complete control over its publication. Again, from what we know of Hogan do you believe he would have allowed publication of a book on the golf swing that did not accurately reflect his thoughts?
[/quote]


I know he's very meticulous and proud in other areas of life but did say to Jackie Burke when he was helping someone on the range, "Why would you help him? We don't need more guys out here to beat." I think there is an element of it's a struggle and dog eat dog world in his personality. If he doesn't want one to be helped it's unlikely he'd give it all to the rest of the world. All being thousands upon thousands of hours of building a game that caused great hardship to hi early in his career.


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and yet he helped found what is now the nationwide tour

[JD3]

After losing a US Open playoff to Strange, Faldo arranged for a meeting with hogan at his shady oaks office. When Faldo asked hogan "how do I win the US Open?" what was Hogan's answer?

[svsvincenzo]

[quote name='JD3' timestamp='1318553844' post='3670119']
After losing a US Open playoff to Strange, Faldo arranged for a meeting with hogan at his shady oaks office. When Faldo asked hogan "how do I win the US Open?" what was Hogan's answer?
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Shoot the lowest score...lol But Hogan's dead serious when he said it.

[svsvincenzo]

[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1318555348' post='3670277']
[quote name='JD3' timestamp='1318553844' post='3670119']
After losing a US Open playoff to Strange, Faldo arranged for a meeting with hogan at his shady oaks office. When Faldo asked hogan "how do I win the US Open?" what was Hogan's answer?
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Shoot the lowest score...lol But Hogan's dead serious when he said it.
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When Hogan said that, Faldo asked again the same question, what was Hogan's response?

[JD3]

Is that when he said something about not sharing more because he played mizuno not hogan?

[svsvincenzo]

Hogan said, seriously, if by Sunday evening you've shot the lowest score, I promise they'll give you the trophy....lol Funny man...lol

Then Hogan added, I know, I have 5 of them..

What is the first of the 5?

[moehogan]

[quote name='hogangolf101' timestamp='1318583501' post='3671475']
Hogan said, seriously, if by Sunday evening you've shot the lowest score, I promise they'll give you the trophy....lol Funny man...lol

Then Hogan added, I know, I have 5 of them..

What is the first of the 5?
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See post #27.

[tembolo1284]

Regarding the Palmer thing....I always got the sense he thought hogan was a bit of a weenie. He acknowledged he was a good player...but he said it doesn't hurt to be a good player and also be nice. Is it because of this 'fella' thing? That's funny. But ya...I could imagine hogan being a bit of a salami to this dude if he was the new up and coming dude that was essentially de-throning him from the top position.

[tembolo1284]

alright one more. Hogan knew he needed to work on a fade and when he finally got it working he went to some brit bigheads in golf and showed them his new and improved ballflight. What did they say about his new left to right shot?

[TeeAce]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1318620033' post='3673225']
alright one more. Hogan knew he needed to work on a fade and when he finally got it working he went to some brit bigheads in golf and showed them his new and improved ballflight. What did they say about his new left to right shot?
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... and what he says to them after that?

[dbleag]

When _____________ won The Colonial he received the customary, rather loud, plaid winner's jacket.

As was the tradition he was wearing it at the champion's dinner. In a loud voice he said to the group he was mingling with, "How long do I have to wear this &%^#$*@ jacket?"

From close behind him, but out of direct sight, Mr. Hogan replied, "Until I say you can take it off, son."


Who was this Colonial winner?