Justin Rose's Spec Sheet: shot at 2013 Crowne Plaza Invitational

[madaboutgolf]

good read, 3 iron nearly 1 inch longer than the the old standard of 38.75 inches quite a surprise for a pro ?

[Cwebb]

Another interesting example of a tour player with a very good swing, who prefers very open face angles on driver and fairway wood.

It's not just those like Vijay Singth with his unique release, who are going with very open

[MadGolfer76]

So...5 degrees open on the fairway, but the chart only shows the loft decreased by 2 degrees? Wouldn't it be more than that?

[Eck42]

Thanks for sharing...6 degrees open on the driver!?! I bet I could hit that almost 90 degrees to the right off the tee...

[Cwebb]

[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1369335464' post='7093382']
So...5 degrees open on the fairway, but the chart only shows the loft decreased by 2 degrees? Wouldn't it be more than that?
[/quote]

Not if the actual loft was higher to begin with, before adjustment....which many of them are

[Dizz]

Not sure how much any of you guys have played with those settings but I don't think the ASP on the sole really opens the face as much as it says.

[Golfrnut]

I'm going to assume that the head is already 3-4* open prior to the ASP adjustment, which is why it shows 6*.

[JBG89]

Cool!

[trapp20]

this is cool stuff. I too saw the 38 5/8 5 iron and didn't think it was too crazy, but I was curious about the open face on the driver and the "F" on the 3-6 heads. Oh...and I saw that $ sign thinking...dude, pan right, pan right! I figured there would be a 4 figure sum next to that.

[Cwebb]

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1369336498' post='7093524']
Not sure how much any of you guys have played with those settings but I don't think the ASP on the sole really opens the face as much as it says.
[/quote]

Many of the Taylor driver heads are starting with actual face angles that are well open. So it's very possible to get to a 6* or more open face with the adjustments

[Dizz]

[quote name='Cwebb' timestamp='1369362841' post='7096308']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1369336498' post='7093524']
Not sure how much any of you guys have played with those settings but I don't think the ASP on the sole really opens the face as much as it says.
[/quote]

Many of the Taylor driver heads are starting with actual face angles that are well open. So it's very possible to get to a 6* or more open face with the adjustments
[/quote]

I understand, I've seen tons of them in person. I had one that was allegedly 3 open and it didn't look that open in the standard 10 loft setting. Reminds me of that video with Elkington and Sabo where they're scraping the paint off the toe to see more face which helps it appear more open than it is...

Wade made a comment that 3 open looks square to Elk and himself. 6 open is crazy open for sure... I remember a Vijay proto 510DF I owned that was 7 open and it was WIDE open.

[Zapp Brannigan]

[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1369281358' post='7090136']
Interesting combo set with the bladez/mb's. Any other guys on tour do this?
[/quote]
I know Charlie Beljan has a split Cleveland 588 MT/588 CB bag (which also results in him having the rare one-headcover setup), but apart from that I think they're the only two.

[dnong]

no cpm measurements for the clubs?

[Cwebb]

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1369363448' post='7096384']
[quote name='Cwebb' timestamp='1369362841' post='7096308']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1369336498' post='7093524']
Not sure how much any of you guys have played with those settings but I don't think the ASP on the sole really opens the face as much as it says.
[/quote]

Many of the Taylor driver heads are starting with actual face angles that are well open. So it's very possible to get to a 6* or more open face with the adjustments
[/quote]

I understand, I've seen tons of them in person. I had one that was allegedly 3 open and it didn't look that open in the standard 10 loft setting. Reminds me of that video with Elkington and Sabo where they're scraping the paint off the toe to see more face which helps it appear more open than it is...

Wade made a comment that 3 open looks square to Elk and himself. 6 open is crazy open for sure... I remember a Vijay proto 510DF I owned that was 7 open and it was WIDE open.
[/quote]

Yeah, 2-3* or even slightly more, looks square to a lot of players. So to get something that actually looks open, these players have to go beyond that, which puts you in the 4-6* open zone for an actual measurement.

Keep in mind that the way these specs are measured, is not the same angle that many players actually set up to a driver at. So many times they are only a "relative" number, which allows us to compare 'apples to apples' when comparing different heads. So even though Justin Rose's driver measures at 6* open,... when he sets up to it, it could very well only be sitting open about half that much.

The reason for this, is that in a spec gauge the shaft is always dead vertical in relation to the face....no forward or backward lean.
Howeer, many players setup to a driver with the ball position forward and the shaft actually leaned backwards. This back lean causes the face to rotate closed

[MadGolfer76]

[quote name='Cwebb' timestamp='1369412366' post='7099280']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1369363448' post='7096384']
[quote name='Cwebb' timestamp='1369362841' post='7096308']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1369336498' post='7093524']
Not sure how much any of you guys have played with those settings but I don't think the ASP on the sole really opens the face as much as it says.
[/quote]

Many of the Taylor driver heads are starting with actual face angles that are well open. So it's very possible to get to a 6* or more open face with the adjustments
[/quote]

I understand, I've seen tons of them in person. I had one that was allegedly 3 open and it didn't look that open in the standard 10 loft setting. Reminds me of that video with Elkington and Sabo where they're scraping the paint off the toe to see more face which helps it appear more open than it is...

Wade made a comment that 3 open looks square to Elk and himself. 6 open is crazy open for sure... I remember a Vijay proto 510DF I owned that was 7 open and it was WIDE open.
[/quote]

Yeah, 2-3* or even slightly more, looks square to a lot of players. So to get something that actually looks open, these players have to go beyond that, which puts you in the 4-6* open zone for an actual measurement.

Keep in mind that the way these specs are measured, is not the same angle that many players actually set up to a driver at. So many times they are only a "relative" number, which allows us to compare 'apples to apples' when comparing different heads. [b]So even though Justin Rose's driver measures at 6* open,... when he sets up to it, it could very well only be sitting open about half that much.[/b]

The reason for this, is that in a spec gauge the shaft is always dead vertical in relation to the face....no forward or backward lean.
Howeer, many players setup to a driver with the ball position forward and the shaft actually leaned backwards. This back lean causes the face to rotate closed
[/quote]

Does this tie to what Tom Wishon was saying lately in that other thread?

[Ajlepisto]

His driver sits open, but I noticed it's also set to 1.5 degrees upright, which would make the club more draw biased.

Doesn't that basically work to counteract it a bit? As someone who is Justin's height, I always set my driver upright and then opened the face a ton, and it was actually quite comfortable.

[68kicks]

what does carbon face mean?

[erjavicdesign]

6* open driver head!!! wow!!! now i might just be more willing to try one of those 3-4* open heads... have always stuck with anything under 2.5* open.

[floyd]

Thats really cool.

[PinHunter]

Great find. So interesting to see what Tour players are using and their specs. awesome!

Thanks

[NWS Alpine]

[quote name='68kicks' timestamp='1369419380' post='7100214']
what does carbon face mean?
[/quote]

There is no pure roll insert in his putter. It's a tour only carbon insert. There are a bunch of different Spider blade models from the Fedex tourney pics this week.

[tembolo1284]

Goodness he plays his driver and 3 wood super long!

[QMany]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1370431443' post='7172892']
Goodness he plays his driver and 3 wood super long!
[/quote]
He is like 9" taller than you, Tembolina.

[mlamar]

Classified ... LOL ... thx for the find/info

[681blade]

I was confused by the fw wood notes. Is he using the 3HL? Why does it have 14.5 in parantheses?

[SwooshLT]

His fairway is opened up to 14.5 loft.

[goat1919]

Really cool

[tembolo1284]

I'm impressed how long he plays everything.

[QMany]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1370893316' post='7207782']
I'm impressed how long he plays everything.
[/quote]
I'm not that surprised. He is only 1/4" off my specs, and he is an inch taller. Negligibly long.

[tembolo1284]

Now I know why he's so damn long!