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Traveling to Phoenix.....Some course info for you
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Phoenix/Scottsdale/Mesa Golf Course Write Up
First up are the high end courses $$$ These are the ones most people have heard of so these are pretty easy. In no particular order
Boulders South/North: Phoenix classic great views/service. The south course has the famous boulder outcropings/senic value. The north course is the original and may be the tougher of the two. Old design now becoming a bit dated. Great scenery.
Boulders
Troon North Monument/Pinnacle: Another must play course, its spectacular and always in good shape. Play Pinnacle over Monument. Monument does have some very cool holes but there are also a lot of forced layups or positioning off the tee if your playing the right tees. Pinnacle allows the player to be a bit more aggressive off the tee. Played 36 out here again and realized just how good it is. I finally figured out I like the Pinnacle course better but both outstanding. Troon
We Ko Pa Saguaro/Cholla: While you cant go wrong with either course. It is my home track so I may be a bit biased. I prefer and play most of my rounds on the Saguaro course, I think its more of a natural golf course not as tricked out. With that said its such a beautiful area, true desert golf no homes on the courses. Saguaro a must play if you actually want to walk a course here. Cholla is not walker friendly and an avoid at all costs track post overseed when it is cart path only. By far two of the more senic courses here. Casino nearby if on course gambling is not enough We Ko Pa Pics for both courses
Legend Trail: Another fantastic course and usually a bit more reasonable price wise. Apparently conditions have improved since I last updated. If that is the case then it returns to its status of a great challenging course. 06/07 played it again and back in solid shape. Forgot how much I liked playing out there Legend Trail
Tpc Scottsdale Stadium: Would not be my first choice to play out here, however I will say it is an experience to play the Stadium especially if you can play while the bleachers are still up from the WM Open. Play more for the experience then anything. Post Reno updates. The renovation came out fantastic the course is pretty dang enjoyable now they did a great job making the course more challenging and interesting off the tee. It is still not a great value course so my play for the experience still kinda holds true but it is no longer the most over rated track in town after the rennovation. TPC
Grayhawk Talon/Raptor: Perfer the Raptor course over Talon, Raptor is more challenging and has more memorable holes. Talon has two really good par 3's, but there is not much more that stands out compared to Raptor. Great customer service and ammenities, makes for a real enjoyable 36 hole day if you can followed by a bite to eat at Phil's Grill Grayhawk
Grayhawk Pics http://www.golfwrx.c...holes-15-16-17/
EagleMountain: Great views of the valley, course features a forgiving(slopes that move the ball back to the fairway) yet challenging design(green complexes). They can get you with some of the pin placements if they want. Eagle Mountain
Kierland: Another Troon managed course with 3 9's More of a resort layout the Acacia/Mesquite nines are prob the better two. Outstanding customer service as well. Now it is one of the most overpriced courses in town and not worth the full rate considering they are charging more than Troon North now. Kierland is prob the most over priced over rated track in town currently. Kierland
Wildfire Faldo/Palmer: Home to the LPGA Founders, although they play a combo of both courses. Another resort course with 2 18's Faldo is well bunkered design with some more natural settings then you would find at Kierland. Palmer course was ok still prefer the Faldo course. Wildfire
Gold Canyon Dinosaur: Almost forgot this one. You are going to want to have plenty of golf balls for this one. Some fantastic views and a few good holes. Only downside is it is quite a drive from Scottsdale/Phoenix 45+ min Price wise I cant remember where this one falls I think it is less than $175 Sidewinder is not nearly as good as Dinosaur
Dinosaur
Quintero: This one will depend on who you ask and what you value in a quality golf. If you like scenery over design then you will love Quintero. I find all the par 4's to be very similar except 2 of them Par 3's look nice but are within 25 yards of each other and due to elevation changes end up hitting the same shot 4 times. IMO not worth the drive, but there are a ton of people who love the course
Mid Priced Courses $$: This is where the majority of the courses fall into place here and I'm sure there will be some varying opinions on these but here are mine .
Verde River AKATEGAVAH AKA VISTA VERDE: Outsanding Ken Kavanaugh design about 15 minutes east of Troon. It has very generous fairways with very tricky green complexes. Wonderfull golf course that reminds me of Wekopa Saguaro with tougher green complexes and way cheeper. It will lose some of its allure when the housing development goes in but that looks to be a few years away. Update 01/03/10 Course fairways not overseeded only the tees and green were. So expect firm and fast from the tee box and to look at a landscape of brown. Still a great track and an awesome value. 07/2015 Development of the homes has started so not quite the scenic value that it once had but still a great design. More on Vista Verde http://www.verderive...om/verde-river/
Tpc Champions: The lower priced of the Tpc courses but a great new track one of my favorites right now can be testy from the back tees. Unposted price for walkers is $49 for residents or non residents. One of the better deals you will find for a good course. Extremley fun layout that has a great mix of holes. I actually like Champions more than the Stadium same link as above. Conditions vary so always worth reading current reviews before booking.
Talking Stick North/South: I definatley like the North course over the South course. Both courses pretty wide open from the tee, and pretty flat. Very typical Coore/Crenshaw bunkering around the fairways and greens. South Course has water that comes into play on 3-4 holes including the risk reward par 4 18th. North course is more of a links feel with no water. IMO pretty impressive job from a design aspect with a pretty boring piece of land as a canvas. 05/2015 Greens are rolling so bad right now killing the enjoyment of the course
Talking Stick
Whirlwind Cattail/Devils Claw: I get the two tracks mixed up in my mind. Devils Claw is a course you can score well on but can also bite back a little bit with some of the fairway bunkers. Its a Troon Facility so it is in good condition but overpriced for me. Whirlwind
Copper Canyon: Same as the above 2 except even farther from the house. The most reasonable priced Troon managed course. Copper Canyon.
Longbow: Good course right next to the plant where they make the apache helicopter hence the name longbow. Would rather play here than Las Sendas. Great driveable risk/ reward par 4 followed by a long par 4 closing hole Overall a good course for a good price. Longbow
Las Sendas: Very interesting course. Be prepared to loose some balls there are a lot of challenging/blind shots here. They also just re-did the greens in the last year or two and I have not played the new greens, but Sendas will put your game to the test. Las Sendas
Raven at South Mountain: Very good option on the way in to town or out since it is fairly close to Sky Harbor. A bit on the pricey side in the winter, but overall good course and another one where they can get you with some of the pin placements. Played it again 06/04/14 and really forgot how much I like this course. Raven
Asu Karsten: Another valley classic I believe the only public Pete Dye design in town. Play where quite a few pga pros played while at ASU.* Right on flight path to Sky Harbor so if loud background noise bothers you play elsewhere. Played again 05/28/09 and still not a fan of it. RIP Karsten Course
Karsten
Mcdowell Mountain Ranch GC: Next to Westworld so if you are here for Barrett Jackson or FBR open its very close. Some fun holes some blah not a great value course for me since I can often find a better option for the same or less. Close to home for me so when I do get out to the range it is usually here.
Sanctuary/Sunridge Canyon
Sunridge Canyon: Played it a few times now. The front nine is a bit odd from a design standpoint, but the back nine minus the wash on hole 11 is wonderfull and in my opinion may have the best 5-6 hole closing stretch of any course out here. 01/2015 edit not really liking the course anymore greens are painted dormant bermuda and bumpy very unforgiving design even for better players. Sunridge Pics
Southern Dunes GC: This course is way out in Maricopa, but well worth the drive. Not your typical desert style course, It has a bit of links golf flavor mixed into the desert backdrop. Fast but true rolling greens. One of the highest course ratings I have seen in the valley from the one ups its 74.8 playing at 7337 yards. Some difficult tee shots but really enjoyed the course and would make the drive again. Greens are very fast, but very receptive to shots.
Southern Dunes
Golf Club Of Estrella: Just had the chance to play this course 12/23/09, and I must say its a fantastic layout. 17 and 1/2 real solid holes of golf (the tee shot on 18 is a little wierd). They also have quite possibly the hardest par three under 230 yards in the valley in #17 206 yards and anything that does not hit the green bogey or higher becomes a very realistic score. Well worth the drive to the SW Valley to play this course.
Would make for a great 36 hole day if you combine it with Raven at Verrado.
Camelback Ambiente: A marked improvement over the original Indian Bend course really enjoyed the layout and thing it will mature into a fine golf course. Played it again and it is softening up which it needed. Real fan of this layout, very strategic fairway bunkering that will always be in play when you play the correct tees. 2nd time around I found myself leaning more towards 3 wood off the tee on some holes to come up short of bunkers. Really good green complexes. 07/2015 Been playing out here a bunch and its becoming one of my favorite spots to play.
Wigwam Gold: Going to add this one to the list as I really enjoyed playing out there. Traditional parkland layout so do not expect the desert style golf you get from most of the others on the list but I found it to be a nice change of pace and a very well manicured course.
Trilogy at Vistancia: Another one up on the Northwest side of town and enjoyable layout with a good mix of holes. I would probably play out there more often if it was not so far from home.
Dove Valley Ranch: They lost the course a couple years ago due to poor maintenance. 2015 they brought it back new seed and new greens. Not something to seek out as a destination course but if you find a deal in the $50 range would make a decent warm up round especially if you are staying in North Phoenix are.
OPB's Top 25 PHX Public Access Ranking
1: Wekopa Saguaro
2: Ak Chin Southern Dunes
3: Troon North Pinnacle
4: Camelback Ambiente
5: Grayhawk Raptor
6: Wekopa Cholla
7: Troon Monument
8: Grayhawk Talon
9: TPC Scottsdale Stadium (renovation really did wonders but condition can be lacking at times)
10: Verde River
11: Verrado Founders. (Victory to be rated upon re opening in fall)
12: Golf Club of Estrella
13: TPC Champions
14: Papago
15: Trilogy at Vistancia
16: Raven Phoenix
17: Legacy
18: Legend Trail
20: Wildfire Faldo
21: Whirlwind both courses (I cant differentiate between the two so they both get 21)
22: Wigwam Gold (some love for traditional parkland courses)
23: Wildfire Palmer
24: Boulders North
25: Aguila
Ranking notes: I placed substance of course design over scenery in all cases. I also assumed good to very good course conditions in my rankings. Basically I went down the list and asked myself which courses would I want to play the most. I excluded Wickenburg and Northern/Southern AZ. Notable omissions Talking Stick. Consistently bad conditions forced me to leave off the North. Eagle Mountain, Sunridge Canyon, Boulders North all scenery>substance. Left off Maryvale pending reopening post reno. Scary to think that in a land of 200+ public courses it gets really really hard to think of ones worthy of spots 20-25
The Tourist Traps
Here are a few places you may want to avoid. Not that they are bad tracks, just that if you are here on a limited time your money can be better spent on a nicer course IMO.
#1A+++ Kierland just wayyyy overpriced for what it is.
#1 Orange Tree for some reason this place gets a lot of play but take your $100 and play Whirlwind, Longbow, or, Talking Stick
# 2 Biltmore Both Courses: Both these tracks get $180 during peak season for non residents while the links course is okay, spend your $180 at We Ko Pa, Troon, or Boulders
3: Starfire: just avoid if you can while nothing wrong per say not what I would consider a good vacation course
4 Silverado: Same as above
5: McCormick Ranch not bad courses but the palms course might as well be in florida and they charge way too much during peak season.
Good websites for tee time deals at most of these courses
https://www.discountteetimes.com/ https://twitter.com/DTT_Golf Better yet call David at 480-874-3133 and tell them One Putt Blunder (or Matt Bateman) sent you Call David first to see what he has available. He has had some really good deals for me in 2015. He is a great option if you are flexible and willing to wait until the last minute. Generally as good or better than GN or Teeoff. Plus he occasionally has deals for Wekopa
Golfnow Phoenix High fees but most courses are on GN
http://www.teeoff.com Not as many courses but lower booking fees and better promos like the constant 20% off codes they send out.
Travel planning. We all know what peak season is everyone wants to get out of the cold and come play golf in the winter etc. Year after year I see guys pop up with trips in Sept-Nov and I feel bad because this is the worst time to come out here. Rates go up and conditions go south.
If you are planning a trip and want to come during the shoulder seasons I would highly recommend coming in mid May to early June. The higher end courses are typically in great shape plus rates start to take significant drops at many courses in mid May. This time period will give you the best value and combo of conditions and pricing. Yes it will be hot but really not much hotter than Sept-Oct would have been anyways.
If any of you are travelling out here and need a playing partner feel free to PM me as I am always willing to play. Im a solid 4 hndcp and can play Sat or Sun. Also feel free to PM me if you have any questions on any of the courses or eating/drinking establishments here. I do the best I can to keep this thread updated with current info. If I have missed something or a course that you would recommend please feel free to add to the topic.
*Disclaimer: These are just my personal thoughts on a few of the many outstanding courses we have here. While you are all free to post your personal opinions please lets keep this mature and friendly. The whole point of this is that I really just want to be a tiny bit of help to anyone who may be travelling here to play golf.
Thanks,
Matt
Last Edits: 05/21/2017 Tweaked 10-13 reshuffled TPC Champ, Verde River, Estrella, and Verrado Founders
01/09/2017 Tweaked top 10 rankings reshuffled TPC Stadium and Verde With Talon and Monument
Update 1/05/16 Removed order of play based on price tiers added Top 25 list. Added short review of Dove Valley Ranch P27, replaced Boulders South with North in Top 25 fixed some links and grammar
08/01/2016 Revised top 25 list.
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I've never been a fan of Kierland, TPC Scottsdale Stadium, Wildfire Faldo, or Las Sendas.
You HAVE TO go play Sunridge Canyon. I really like it especially the back nine climb up the canyon to the clubhouse.
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Just waiting for the aerations to get done around here so I dont have anymore excuses for my putting
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Does anyone know if the tees, fairways, and greens at We Ko Pa are bent grass? It definitely looked like it to me and one of the locals confirmed my suspicions, but a fellow companion of mine disagreed. There's no mention of it on their site and I've seen conflicts in reports from other golf review sites.
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You nailed the course selection right on the head. Tpc Stadium is closed for rest of the summer now and yes the fairways get pretty bad starting in june. I believe you are right and wekopa is bent grass I just cant confirm it for you
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Played Estrella ($105+tax) and Poston Butte ($99+tax) with unlimited golf incl. cart and lunch and a sleeve of Warbirds (PB) / dozen ProV1s (Estrella) with coupons from troongolf.com.
Also I personally would take the Pinnacle over the Monument course at Troon North anytime. The monuments good holes start on the back nine. 1-9 is pretty normal.
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Raven South Mountain is user friendly and service profile is good. WeKoPa is somewhat expensive for non az residents but Cholla course is absolutely first rate. Just be cautious about cart path only during peak season, it's a long walk across really wide fairways.
good list. Suggest you register with GolfNow.com to get emails for discount rates all over town.
My credential: lived in Scottsdale 11 years 10.6 azgh index old guy
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Edit: been registered with golfnow pushing three years now, working on my 4th free round this year (every 10 you book you get one free at selected tracks of course) I just stockpile them all till fall/winter when the rates go up
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I've only played Coyote Lakes of the ones you mentioned above and agree that it is a tight course which presents challenges for us hitters who like to spray the ball! Conditions when i played were o.k. but believe we payed $50 in winter so well worth it.
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Ocotillo Golf Course- This is a Troon managed course. You can play for about $39 all summer. Fantastic course and quite challenging, especially the Gold course. My favorite full length course in AZ in the summer. $39
Kokopelli- Fun course, cheap, lots of hills. $30
Las Colinas- Cheap golf. Great course, no service. $17
Toka Sticks- Fun course, good service, average shape. $15
Augusta Ranch- Exec Course, but you will use every club in your bag. My personal favorite. Well maintained. Top notch. $14!
Painted Mountain- Gas carts is a bumer but its a enjoyable good time course. No service. Cheap. $25
Always try their websites first. If not the best deal use www.golfnow.com
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Hmm im going to have to get back out there and play both again and see if my opinion changed. Now if I could just find someone who has a Troon Card.
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But weather here in Germany usually sucks for golf that time of year.
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Its still 90$ weekend mornings right now 45$ with a troon card.
Superbowl week was ridiculous courses were price gouging everyone. We had to wait untill the last minute sun morning to book a tee time for less than $75 at a bad course
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Then you should go play Troon now. I played there on Monday (the 14th) and they are down to 18 holes, you play Monument 10-18 then skip over to Pinnacle 2-10. Beautiful course no matter how they slice it up.
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Course was not in the best of conditions. Sand traps are all mud.
Service is seriously lacking. Really sucked actually. Dont think the guys could have been less interested in helping us out. Never seen someone grab my bag from me in the parking lot and drop it about 15ft from my cart. WTF?
If your going to take my bag, load it up!
I wont be going back. No water on the holes when its 112 degrees out? Then charge $3 for a tiny bottle from the rude beer cart girl? I think not!
For $40 summer golf this is considered expensive. Im disappointed in the reviews of this place for sure.
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I like Longbow too, but I HATE the greens there. Very Grainy and do not break true at all. The other thing is rarely do you see a cart girl and there is hardly any water that is drinkable on the course. If I have my choice i take Las Sendas everytime due to price and service. The last thing about Longbow is that the low flying planes get a little annoying, especially when the bomber flies over close enough to see the people in the gun turret underneath.
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Did they switch over to bermuda? I played there a few times when it first opened back in the 90's and as I recall they had bent greens. Not too many courses have been successful keeping the bent greens in the Phoenix area. What's the scoop at Las Sendas?
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I did havent got one emal from them. Ill sign up again.
On another note playing sunridge on Monday
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They converted to Bermuda... Miniverde is the variety if memory serves...
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I figured. Legend Trail was closed this summer as they redo their greens - going to bermuda I presume. Also, the Palmer course at Wildfire is changing to bermuda.
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Correct and Correct, Legend Trail should be done next month Wildfire is working on the Palmer course now and will be starting The Faldo Course soon(I actually liked the greens on Faldo before). All will be going to Bermuda.
I cant wait to go play the new greens at legend trail. I will update as soon as I get out there once they reopen.
AzGreenskeeper what course are you at?
Edit:I just got an email from Legend Trail and they are set to re open Oct 1 and have already completed the overseed. Fortounatley I will be in the bay area playing pacific grove, poppy hills, then harding park. I should be able to get to legend trail the week after to do and update on the new greens.
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Here are links to my photos of these cousres in case anyone is inetersted.
http://sports.webshots.com/album/563720024mtsCgK (Troon North, We-ko-pa & Rancho Manana)
http://sports.webshots.com/album/557661553IzfCwd (Grayhawk, Eagle Mtn, Talking Stick, TPC)
http://sports.webshots.com/album/557662043DmPEmD (Boulders)
http://sports.webshots.com/album/557662452fZmNcM (Dinosaur Mtn)
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We already have golf booked at Estrella Mountain Ranch, Raven Verado, Superstition Springs, Coyote Lakes, Eagle Mountain, Poston Butte.
Any of the 3 above stand out or is there one we're missing for around $80?
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All three of those courses are good courses, and I think you would enjoy them all I. However still prefer Legend Trail over the other two.
Copper Canyon is very nice but is a pretty decent drive from the Scottsdale/East Valley. and that is the only setback of Copper Canyon. Longbow is a good course too, just doesnt have the elevation changes and the design that Legend Trail has. If you can and its in your budget I say give Legend Trail a run otherwise play Copper Canyon then Longbow.
here are a few more pics of Legend Trail ignore the signs there just happend to be a tournament going off right after my group
Edit: one more to add to the mix would be Whirlwind Cattail or Devils Claw Courses. Also becarefull on the par 5's on the back nine at Coyote Lakes the get a bit narrow and the fairways all slope hard to the water play the right side of the fairway.
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