2019 New MP Line

[gricky]

> @bombdrop said:

> > @gricky said:

> > > @bombdrop said:

> > > Lefty Here. I look at the MMC and 919T and sort of see the same sort of “slightly forgiving players iron”. Yet, neither are available in lefty. They need to give us one of those.

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> > 919T unfortunately aren't forgiving.... they are practically an MB. not like the mmc's, which i consider to be mizuno's "AP2".

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> I have a set of 712CBs. If I wanted to go Mizuno and get something with roughly the same head size but slightly more forgiving, where do I go? I’d imagine the SC is basically the same club as a 712cb.

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Yeah that's tough. I have 710 cbs, and i tested the 919t, the MP 18 SC, and also the mp18 mb. my honest experience... all practically the same level of forgiveness. I didn't see a huge increase going from the MB to the 919T and SC. Hopefully Mizuno releases another MMC like option which sounds like it what you are looking for.

[BlackM00Nlight]

> @gricky said:

> > @bombdrop said:

> > Lefty Here. I look at the MMC and 919T and sort of see the same sort of “slightly forgiving players iron”. Yet, neither are available in lefty. They need to give us one of those.

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> 919T unfortunately aren't forgiving.... they are practically an MB. not like the mmc's, which i consider to be mizuno's "AP2".

 

The 919 Tours are as forgiving as the 900 Forged. Maltby MPF has new ratings up for the 919 line and the 919 tours are extremely forgiving and playable with high MOI and low COG.

 

 

[mbbrewer]

> @BlackM00Nlight said:

> > @gricky said:

> > > @bombdrop said:

> > > Lefty Here. I look at the MMC and 919T and sort of see the same sort of “slightly forgiving players iron”. Yet, neither are available in lefty. They need to give us one of those.

> >

> > 919T unfortunately aren't forgiving.... they are practically an MB. not like the mmc's, which i consider to be mizuno's "AP2".

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> The 919 Tours are as forgiving as the 900 Forged. Maltby MPF has new ratings up for the 919 line and the 919 tours are extremely forgiving and playable with high MOI and low COG.

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I moved on from the S55’s to the 919ts. Not much difference in forgiveness or even feel as the s55’s felt great. 919t is a very playable iron and not as punishing as you’d think. I think it’s more forgiving than a true blade but has all the looks of one.

 

[gricky]

> @BlackM00Nlight said:

> > @gricky said:

> > > @bombdrop said:

> > > Lefty Here. I look at the MMC and 919T and sort of see the same sort of “slightly forgiving players iron”. Yet, neither are available in lefty. They need to give us one of those.

> >

> > 919T unfortunately aren't forgiving.... they are practically an MB. not like the mmc's, which i consider to be mizuno's "AP2".

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> The 919 Tours are as forgiving as the 900 Forged. Maltby MPF has new ratings up for the 919 line and the 919 tours are extremely forgiving and playable with high MOI and low COG.

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Sometimes, I have to questions that chart. If you look at it, the MP 18 SC irons are rated as a players classic. tougher to hit than the mb's (i felt the opposite was, true, but marginal). Also, the MMC irons are rated as a classic, which i don't understand. They have tungsten and more tech than the MB's which i would think give them a much larger edge.

 

Anyways, nothing bad to say on any of the clubs. I loved them. I personally just felt that the forgiveness factor wasn't much to consider, as say an AP2, but i'll still game the mizuno over titleist any day.

[Broessner71]

Mmc are a little more forgiving than my 33’s

[BlackM00Nlight]

> @gricky said:

> > @BlackM00Nlight said:

> > > @gricky said:

> > > > @bombdrop said:

> > > > Lefty Here. I look at the MMC and 919T and sort of see the same sort of “slightly forgiving players iron”. Yet, neither are available in lefty. They need to give us one of those.

> > >

> > > 919T unfortunately aren't forgiving.... they are practically an MB. not like the mmc's, which i consider to be mizuno's "AP2".

> >

> > The 919 Tours are as forgiving as the 900 Forged. Maltby MPF has new ratings up for the 919 line and the 919 tours are extremely forgiving and playable with high MOI and low COG.

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> >

> Sometimes, I have to questions that chart. If you look at it, the MP 18 SC irons are rated as a players classic. tougher to hit than the mb's (i felt the opposite was, true, but marginal). Also, the MMC irons are rated as a classic, which i don't understand. They have tungsten and more tech than the MB's which i would think give them a much larger edge.

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> Anyways, nothing bad to say on any of the clubs. I loved them. I personally just felt that the forgiveness factor wasn't much to consider, as say an AP2, but i'll still game the mizuno over titleist any day.

 

I don't ALWAYS follow those ratings either, however, low vertical center of gravity and the moi are the most important factors. The VCOG below .840" (which is the center of the golf ball) plus the MOI number, which is resistance to twisting, will give you an idea on how forgiving the club head is compared to others. The 919 Tours stack up very nicely (better than most) compared to other clubs with that similar profile. And then of course, everyone has their own swing YMMV :)

[gricky]

fair :smile: ... and for one, they look so sweet.

[MKPAPA]

Black DLC would be a dream.

[BlackM00Nlight]

> @MKPAPA said:

> Black DLC would be a dream.

 

Can’t like this enough. I told my Mizuno rep a black MP iron this fall and I’ll go broke. He said it’s been mentioned a lot and is something that has been considered.

[MKPAPA]

> @BlackM00Nlight said:

> > @MKPAPA said:

> > Black DLC would be a dream.

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> Can’t like this enough. I told my Mizuno rep a black MP iron this fall and I’ll go broke. He said it’s been mentioned a lot and is something that has been considered.

 

Fingers f'n crossed for you, I, and anyone else who agrees. #blackmizzy

[cav5]

I really hope they put out retro loft blade. I like a consistent look through 50*

[meliaant]

While I agree that the MMCs are Mizuno's AP2 a why do you think it is that no one on tour plays them while plenty of Titleist staffers play the AP2? Just curious.

[BlackM00Nlight]

Titleist is paying money ??‍♂️

[gricky]

I thought about this whole black mizuno thing. Could it be that mizuno was alluding to that with the black blob? I love speculating ?

[rxk9fan]

> @BearQ said:

> > @lefty1978 said:

> > ssfranny said:

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> > I hope they make more available in LH.  They need a MP with modern stronger lofts.  Ive always thought if they re-released the MP53s with stronger lofts would be big seller.

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> > Yes on the more lefty options. No on the stronger lofts. My 54's PW is 46° and 7i is 34°, how much stronger do you want them? MP irons are classic and will never (hopefully) get crazy with lofts. 

> I’m actually going back to my og lofts from when I played well. Even z945 are stronger lofts with a 9i at 41*. And I’ve been playing them 1 strong (regularly checked specs).

> Made for some funky yardages, lost workability and a lot of low pulls.

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Just a comment as our bags are kind of similar. I moved recently from the MMC to the Z945. I ordered the MMC 1 degree strong to get the stock flight where I wanted. My Z945 are kept at stock lofts to get that same stock flight I look for. So that left me for example:

MMC 7i at 31degrees after going 1 degree strong (With Recoil 95gm F4 shafts)

Z945 7i at 33 degrees (With Recoil 110gm F4 shafts)

The results are almost identical flight but with the MMC giving a little more distance. My guess is the shafts are making up for the loft to give the same flight or the club design itself?

[GolfChannel]

> @meliaant said:

> While I agree that the MMCs are Mizuno's AP2 a why do you think it is that no one on tour plays them while plenty of Titleist staffers play the AP2? Just curious.


 

[QuigleyDU]

Just keep it classy and clean Mizzy. the 18s were about perfect. Maybe just re-release the 32's with some modern tweaking and call it a day. Then watch the hay as it comes rolling in.

[mtnbiker5]

Titleist pays big money to play on staff. Mizzy does not. Confirmed that Titliest WILL be launching new 720 lines this fall which will coincide with Mizzy launch. Its going to be a tremendous slug fest with Titleist hotter faces going up against grain flow forged Mizzy irons. My money is with Mizuno hands down but makes life exciting.