Updated 2013 Trackman PGA Tour Averages

[sonofagunn]

[quote name='radiman' timestamp='1366513711' post='6885939']
Interesting data. Makes me feel a little better being close to the tour average on most clubs. Thank God dispersion isn't listed, that would just kill my buzz.
[/quote]


+1000

[InaSilentWay]

Is there data on the swing path for Tour players? I would like to know if they are actually "swinging left" with a horizontal swing plane(is that the correct term?) rotated left of the target line.

[RickyA12]

I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?

[bmellisen]

[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

I would say don't hit your irons that far. Then you won't have to deal with the confusion of why your driver isn't going as far as PGA players, but your irons carry ~ 20 yards farther than the pro's. As a bonus, I bet your accuracy improves too.

[rbhan12]

interesting to see that basically all their clubs go the same height

[RickyA12]

[quote name='bmellisen' timestamp='1382378722' post='8035109']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

I would say don't hit your irons that far. Then you won't have to deal with the confusion of why your driver isn't going as far as PGA players, but your irons carry ~ 20 yards farther than the pro's. As a bonus, I bet your accuracy improves too.
[/quote]

My distances are with an 80% swing. Are you suggesting that I swing 60%? I just figure that if my distances are equal to or ahead of the tour average with almost my entire bag then the driver and 3 wood shouldn't be an exception. I do play taylormade irons, notoriously strong lofts, but I hit my 1990 Hogan blades only about 5 yards shorter per club.

[dudewheresmypar]

[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382379594' post='8035189']
[quote name='bmellisen' timestamp='1382378722' post='8035109']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

I would say don't hit your irons that far. Then you won't have to deal with the confusion of why your driver isn't going as far as PGA players, but your irons carry ~ 20 yards farther than the pro's. As a bonus, I bet your accuracy improves too.
[/quote]

My distances are with an 80% swing. Are you suggesting that I swing 60%? I just figure that if my distances are equal to or ahead of the tour average with almost my entire bag then the driver and 3 wood shouldn't be an exception. I do play taylormade irons, notoriously strong lofts, but I hit my 1990 Hogan blades only about 5 yards shorter per club.
[/quote]

Is your driver fit to your swing? You also might have a too steep AoA resulting in less than optimal launch conditions.

[bmellisen]

[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382379594' post='8035189']
[quote name='bmellisen' timestamp='1382378722' post='8035109']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

I would say don't hit your irons that far. Then you won't have to deal with the confusion of why your driver isn't going as far as PGA players, but your irons carry ~ 20 yards farther than the pro's. As a bonus, I bet your accuracy improves too.
[/quote]

My distances are with an 80% swing. Are you suggesting that I swing 60%? I just figure that if my distances are equal to or ahead of the tour average with almost my entire bag then the driver and 3 wood shouldn't be an exception. I do play taylormade irons, notoriously strong lofts, but I hit my 1990 Hogan blades only about 5 yards shorter per club.
[/quote]

I am not really a believer in the "swing at XX%". I say swing as hard as you can while staying in control, balance, with some accuracy. And without seeing any sort of video or knowing ball flight...really there isn't much that can be said that isn't a guess. But if you hit a 7i 190+ with a 80% swing...that is pretty long, even for here. So efforts to hit driver longer probably won't be as fruitful for scoring as efforts to hit irons closer.

As for reasons why, as said before without video or ball flight info...it is all a guess. My guess would be steep AoA which helps hammer the irons but causes poor contact with driver. But could be something else.

[Duckhook Du Toit]

[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

Let me get this right, you hit wedge 160 and driver 260?

[RickyA12]

[quote name='Duckhook Du Toit' timestamp='1382428325' post='8038821']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

Let me get this right, you hit wedge 160 and driver 260?
[/quote]

Yep. A comfortable distance with the PW is 148-152 but I'll hit it up to 160 if I'm stuck between clubs. My 4 iron carry is 220. My 3 wood carry is 235 and 250-260 with driver. It doesn't make any sense to me.

[RickyA12]

[quote name='bmellisen' timestamp='1382381027' post='8035321']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382379594' post='8035189']
[quote name='bmellisen' timestamp='1382378722' post='8035109']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

I would say don't hit your irons that far. Then you won't have to deal with the confusion of why your driver isn't going as far as PGA players, but your irons carry ~ 20 yards farther than the pro's. As a bonus, I bet your accuracy improves too.
[/quote]

My distances are with an 80% swing. Are you suggesting that I swing 60%? I just figure that if my distances are equal to or ahead of the tour average with almost my entire bag then the driver and 3 wood shouldn't be an exception. I do play taylormade irons, notoriously strong lofts, but I hit my 1990 Hogan blades only about 5 yards shorter per club.
[/quote]

I am not really a believer in the "swing at XX%". I say swing as hard as you can while staying in control, balance, with some accuracy. And without seeing any sort of video or knowing ball flight...really there isn't much that can be said that isn't a guess. But if you hit a 7i 190+ with a 80% swing...that is pretty long, even for here. So efforts to hit driver longer probably won't be as fruitful for scoring as efforts to hit irons closer.

As for reasons why, as said before without video or ball flight info...it is all a guess. My guess would be steep AoA which helps hammer the irons but causes poor contact with driver. But could be something else.
[/quote]

I do get quite steep during transition. I don't have any trackman numbers but I know I take shallow divots with my 3 wood.

[RickyA12]

[quote name='r4vgolf' timestamp='1382380494' post='8035287']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382379594' post='8035189']
[quote name='bmellisen' timestamp='1382378722' post='8035109']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

I would say don't hit your irons that far. Then you won't have to deal with the confusion of why your driver isn't going as far as PGA players, but your irons carry ~ 20 yards farther than the pro's. As a bonus, I bet your accuracy improves too.
[/quote]

My distances are with an 80% swing. Are you suggesting that I swing 60%? I just figure that if my distances are equal to or ahead of the tour average with almost my entire bag then the driver and 3 wood shouldn't be an exception. I do play taylormade irons, notoriously strong lofts, but I hit my 1990 Hogan blades only about 5 yards shorter per club.
[/quote]

Is your driver fit to your swing? You also might have a too steep AoA resulting in less than optimal launch conditions.
[/quote]

My driver is a Nike Covert Tour off the rack. For a while I struggled with a hook but I've been putting in a lot of work lately and my miss is now a block. When I block one I get about 20 more yards of carry than I do when I hit it straight.

[MizzyMan]

[quote name='rbhan12' timestamp='1382378973' post='8035137']
interesting to see that basically all their clubs go the same height
[/quote]

I think I read that a properly fit set of clubs should all go the same height on a stock shot. Like around 30 yards give or take.

[KuroOuji54]

[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382447563' post='8039391']
[quote name='r4vgolf' timestamp='1382380494' post='8035287']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382379594' post='8035189']
[quote name='bmellisen' timestamp='1382378722' post='8035109']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

I would say don't hit your irons that far. Then you won't have to deal with the confusion of why your driver isn't going as far as PGA players, but your irons carry ~ 20 yards farther than the pro's. As a bonus, I bet your accuracy improves too.
[/quote]

My distances are with an 80% swing. Are you suggesting that I swing 60%? I just figure that if my distances are equal to or ahead of the tour average with almost my entire bag then the driver and 3 wood shouldn't be an exception. I do play taylormade irons, notoriously strong lofts, but I hit my 1990 Hogan blades only about 5 yards shorter per club.
[/quote]

Is your driver fit to your swing? You also might have a too steep AoA resulting in less than optimal launch conditions.
[/quote]

My driver is a Nike Covert Tour off the rack. For a while I struggled with a hook but I've been putting in a lot of work lately and my miss is now a block. When I block one I get about 20 more yards of carry than I do when I hit it straight.
[/quote]

Im not certain but you may not be getting enough spin with your driver, based on your blocks going further.

[Jamboy72]

[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382447563' post='8039391']
[quote name='r4vgolf' timestamp='1382380494' post='8035287']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382379594' post='8035189']
[quote name='bmellisen' timestamp='1382378722' post='8035109']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

I would say don't hit your irons that far. Then you won't have to deal with the confusion of why your driver isn't going as far as PGA players, but your irons carry ~ 20 yards farther than the pro's. As a bonus, I bet your accuracy improves too.
[/quote]

My distances are with an 80% swing. Are you suggesting that I swing 60%? I just figure that if my distances are equal to or ahead of the tour average with almost my entire bag then the driver and 3 wood shouldn't be an exception. I do play taylormade irons, notoriously strong lofts, but I hit my 1990 Hogan blades only about 5 yards shorter per club.
[/quote]

Is your driver fit to your swing? You also might have a too steep AoA resulting in less than optimal launch conditions.
[/quote]

My driver is a Nike Covert Tour off the rack. For a while I struggled with a hook but I've been putting in a lot of work lately and my miss is now a block. When I block one I get about 20 more yards of carry than I do when I hit it straight.
[/quote]

Either your 3 wood/driver are entirely misfit or you do something different with your swing with the longer clubs in your bag...perhaps a combo of the two

[tembolo1284]

What a great thread.

[SullGolf]

One thing that stands out to me is that carry on the 3 wood is so much lower than driver. Biggest gap in the bag. I expected 15-20 yards, not 32. I guess that's overall 3 wood distance though, including off the turf, not just off the tee.

[RickyA12]

[quote name='Jamboy72' timestamp='1382458657' post='8040261']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382447563' post='8039391']
[quote name='r4vgolf' timestamp='1382380494' post='8035287']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382379594' post='8035189']
[quote name='bmellisen' timestamp='1382378722' post='8035109']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382377813' post='8035035']
I'm 1.5 to 2 clubs longer (much less accurate, no doubt) with everything except driver and 3 wood. My carry distance with driver is 10-15 yards shorter. If I'm longer with the majority of my bag why would I be shorter with 2 clubs?
[/quote]

I would say don't hit your irons that far. Then you won't have to deal with the confusion of why your driver isn't going as far as PGA players, but your irons carry ~ 20 yards farther than the pro's. As a bonus, I bet your accuracy improves too.
[/quote]

My distances are with an 80% swing. Are you suggesting that I swing 60%? I just figure that if my distances are equal to or ahead of the tour average with almost my entire bag then the driver and 3 wood shouldn't be an exception. I do play taylormade irons, notoriously strong lofts, but I hit my 1990 Hogan blades only about 5 yards shorter per club.
[/quote]

Is your driver fit to your swing? You also might have a too steep AoA resulting in less than optimal launch conditions.
[/quote]

My driver is a Nike Covert Tour off the rack. For a while I struggled with a hook but I've been putting in a lot of work lately and my miss is now a block. When I block one I get about 20 more yards of carry than I do when I hit it straight.
[/quote]

Either your 3 wood/driver are entirely misfit or you do something different with your swing with the longer clubs in your bag...perhaps a combo of the two
[/quote]

I struggle with a swing that is too long. I guess any problems get accentuated with the longest club in the bag. You're probably on to something. I'll have to get some video and check it out. Thanks.

[cardoustie]

Ricky
I am kind of similar to you .. I am longer from 6-LW.
Driver carry 265 but can and do hit a PW 150-155 all day long. My driver swing is 108/109 . .so under tour avg
It is due to steepness of attack IMO

... which is why you struggle with your 3w. Try a 4w as an experiment

I carry a 4w and a 7w to help with my steepness and a 4h 23* as my 215 club

[RickyA12]

[quote name='cardoustie' timestamp='1382464226' post='8040699']
Ricky
I am kind of similar to you .. I am longer from 6-LW.
Driver carry 265 but can and do hit a PW 150-155 all day long. My driver swing is 108/109 . .so under tour avg
It is due to steepness of attack IMO

... which is why you struggle with your 3w. Try a 4w as an experiment

I carry a 4w and a 7w to help with my steepness and a 4h 23* as my 215 club
[/quote]

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one. Sorry to hear it because I know how aggravating it can be.
I have a slight OTT move that causes me to get steep. I like the high ball flight I get with the mid and long irons. It gives me an advantage because I can attack at tight pin locations because most of the time I'm hitting a 7 iron where other players are hitting 4's and 5's. The advantage is then taken away on long par 4's (450yd+) because I can't consistiently hit anything longer than a 4 iron off the tee.
I'm working to elimate the OTT and shallow things out. I'm sure it will cost me some distance with my irons. Will this give me more distance with the woods? Would it be a good trade off?

[jewofgolf]

Ricky, you shouldn't have to make that trade-off. If you hit it as far as you do, and you are steep, then this is super easy.

Play the ball WAY forward with driver and 3 wood. Uncomfortably. I would say as far as the outside of your left foot is fine.

I carry a 7 iron 175 and hit my driver ~265 in the air with a 108 or so swing speed. You sound to me like you could carry the driver 290 easily...get that angle worked out and you can retain your energy into impact...it sounds like you have to slow down and can't "keep driving"...so just give yourself more room by moving that ball WAY up.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382465969' post='8040837']
[quote name='cardoustie' timestamp='1382464226' post='8040699']
Ricky
I am kind of similar to you .. I am longer from 6-LW.
Driver carry 265 but can and do hit a PW 150-155 all day long. My driver swing is 108/109 . .so under tour avg
It is due to steepness of attack IMO

... which is why you struggle with your 3w. Try a 4w as an experiment

I carry a 4w and a 7w to help with my steepness and a 4h 23* as my 215 club
[/quote]

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one. Sorry to hear it because I know how aggravating it can be.
I have a slight OTT move that causes me to get steep. I like the high ball flight I get with the mid and long irons. It gives me an advantage because I can attack at tight pin locations because most of the time I'm hitting a 7 iron where other players are hitting 4's and 5's. The advantage is then taken away on long par 4's (450yd+) because I can't consistiently hit anything longer than a 4 iron off the tee.
I'm working to elimate the OTT and shallow things out. I'm sure it will cost me some distance with my irons. Will this give me more distance with the woods? Would it be a good trade off?
[/quote]

If you can learn to shallow out your AoA even with your irons you'll hit the ball even higher and get better ball speed. Assuming you keep your swing speed consistent you'll get higher launch/ lower spin because your spin loft decreases. Key is not to be shallow and flippy through the strike. All things considered, even with irons, low dynamic loft swings with steep attack angles tend to have higher spin and fly lower and shorter than shallow strikes with minimal shaft lean.

[RickyA12]

[quote name='jewofgolf' timestamp='1382476544' post='8041809']
Ricky, you shouldn't have to make that trade-off. If you hit it as far as you do, and you are steep, then this is super easy.

Play the ball WAY forward with driver and 3 wood. Uncomfortably. I would say as far as the outside of your left foot is fine.

I carry a 7 iron 175 and hit my driver ~265 in the air with a 108 or so swing speed. You sound to me like you could carry the driver 290 easily...get that angle worked out and you can retain your energy into impact...it sounds like you have to slow down and can't "keep driving"...so just give yourself more room by moving that ball WAY up.
[/quote]

I've never heard of playing the ball that far forward. I'll give it a try tomorrow and see how it goes and let you guys know. Thanks!

[RickyA12]

[quote name='PutterKilledTheDream' timestamp='1382478689' post='8041959']
[quote name='RickyA12' timestamp='1382465969' post='8040837']
[quote name='cardoustie' timestamp='1382464226' post='8040699']
Ricky
I am kind of similar to you .. I am longer from 6-LW.
Driver carry 265 but can and do hit a PW 150-155 all day long. My driver swing is 108/109 . .so under tour avg
It is due to steepness of attack IMO

... which is why you struggle with your 3w. Try a 4w as an experiment

I carry a 4w and a 7w to help with my steepness and a 4h 23* as my 215 club
[/quote]

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one. Sorry to hear it because I know how aggravating it can be.
I have a slight OTT move that causes me to get steep. I like the high ball flight I get with the mid and long irons. It gives me an advantage because I can attack at tight pin locations because most of the time I'm hitting a 7 iron where other players are hitting 4's and 5's. The advantage is then taken away on long par 4's (450yd+) because I can't consistiently hit anything longer than a 4 iron off the tee.
I'm working to elimate the OTT and shallow things out. I'm sure it will cost me some distance with my irons. Will this give me more distance with the woods? Would it be a good trade off?
[/quote]

If you can learn to shallow out your AoA even with your irons you'll hit the ball even higher and get better ball speed. Assuming you keep your swing speed consistent you'll get higher launch/ lower spin because your spin loft decreases. Key is not to be shallow and flippy through the strike. All things considered, even with irons, low dynamic loft swings with steep attack angles tend to have higher spin and fly lower and shorter than shallow strikes with minimal shaft lean.
[/quote]

I've tried everything I can think of to shallow things out. I'm sure it's some flaw in my backswing/transition. I'm in the middle of a complete rebuild right now. Hopefully a light bulb will go off soon!

[cardoustie]

Ricky
Great tip above from jewofgolf
I too play the driver way up and tee it up 3.5", low right shoulder, stay behind it with the upper body and hit it on the upswing baby !!. I think my last trackman had my launch at 14* with a plus 4 AOA and spin around 2200. You sort of need to learn a different driver swing. Johnny Miller always said there are two golf swings and some golfers will be better with tee balls and some with iron shot approaches. Think of JM Olazabal !
Side NOTE:
4 of 5 years ago at a PING fitting my best carry was 278.x with a 109 swing.
You need to learn these launch conditions and you can still do it swinging steep

[someon3]

Fascinating that the 3i and PW have almost the same max height. I wonder if that means I hit my 3i too low or my pw too high.

[aliikane]

Incomplete data. No listing for 7 and 9 wood.

[goatbarn]

[quote name='someon3' timestamp='1403467363' post='9552283']
Fascinating that the 3i and PW have almost the same max height. I wonder if that means I hit my 3i too low or my pw too high.
[/quote]

Hard to tell usually. The apex of a 3 iron happens much further away from you than your PW. The PW will always seem to go higher even if the max height is exactly the same, since the PW apex is close to half as far from you as the 3 iron's.

[Daniel Eason]

Just interested to know, 1. where do they do this test, 2. Who do they do it on

These guys are good though, hitting same launch angles across all clubs and getting that level of speed just shows why i sit behind a computer talking rubbish on this forum and they are out playing golf all the time.

[gioguy21]

interesting enough - my average SS with all the clubs is about on par...but my ballspeeds are all consistently 2-3mph off...(on average). distances are shorter than mine somehow?