Jim Venetos golf swing?

[garyt]

[quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410617457' post='10111377']
I'd like to see the names/swings of his students that are making "chex" ... IMO, the only golfers that might benefit from this type of swing are golfers with disabilities or seniors with limited mobility. Weight transfer is an integral part of all sports that involve hitting an object with an imnplement of some sort.
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I always thought this was a terrible way to judge a swing. What if I came up with a swing that could take the multitudes that can't break 100 now and got them to the mid 80's,but something about my swing limited you from going much lower. Maybe it lacked top notch distance,or you couldn't work the ball. Since no pros would use it,would it be a failure? I'd say no,and I bet I'd be a millionaire in the process. there's tons of people out there who love the game but just struggle mightily with it. Invent a way for them to enjoy the game more,and I'd say you're a great success.

[Finbarr Saunders]

[quote name='garyt' timestamp='1410638966' post='10112479']
[quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410617457' post='10111377']
I'd like to see the names/swings of his students that are making "chex" ... IMO, the only golfers that might benefit from this type of swing are golfers with disabilities or seniors with limited mobility. Weight transfer is an integral part of all sports that involve hitting an object with an imnplement of some sort.
[/quote]

I always thought this was a terrible way to judge a swing. What if I came up with a swing that could take the multitudes that can't break 100 now and got them to the mid 80's,but something about my swing limited you from going much lower. Maybe it lacked top notch distance,or you couldn't work the ball. Since no pros would use it,would it be a failure? I'd say no,and I bet I'd be a millionaire in the process. there's tons of people out there who love the game but just struggle mightily with it. Invent a way for them to enjoy the game more,and I'd say you're a great success.
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You've missed the boat Gary, its called stack and tilt

[ALIF]

[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1410585150' post='10110625']
Here we go ! The inevitable "turf war" , didn't take long for the starters gun to fire . One thing though , he should fit right in since he has that " contrived zipper away" happening .
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Nice veiled shot at Monte eightiron. Real classy! Your true colors have been manifested.

[spider]

[quote name='Jimvenetos' timestamp='1410551772' post='10108161']
[quote name='caeleric' timestamp='1410545431' post='10107743']
i'm a huge proponent of target-favored rotational swings like you see mike bender, sean foley, and snt advocate. that said, i'm highly skeptical of your swing. can you post a video of your driver swing with this model? i'd love to see it in action.
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It's understandable to be skeptical, I teach a very different perception for the swing. The perception shift is similar to the Fosbury flop.

What do you mean by target-favored? I definitely favor the target over any other place on the course, in fact, I'd say I'm target obsessed.

The rotational swings are fine, I just believe they are more difficult to perform based upon requiring precise rhythm, tempo and timing to maintain. In the swing I teach, the rhythm, tempo and timing are a product of the still weight.
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I think using the Fosbury Flop analogy is getting old. SnT used it as well I believe to illustrate extention. Fosbury came out jumped differently and won so it was adopted. He wasn't a pariah or anything. Plus they didn't do it before because they had to land on their feet with no pad to land on. If this starts being adopted by top pros then you can use the analogy but I dont' see this happening.

[bph7]

[quote name='Tanner25' timestamp='1410612557' post='10111139']
[quote name='CLSS' timestamp='1410589368' post='10110735']
Hi all. Newbie here.
Great topic!

Something new in golf almost always gets a reaction. If it had come from up top or already a success, people can't help but follow whether they understand... Good results are compelling. However, from an unknown person it's difficult to be open minded for some reason. Like me, my step dad is a PGA retired, made all his money from playing golf ever since and then teaching golf thereafter... Made well for himself in golf. He's my golf beginnings in the early 90s after 10 years of knowing him. But even with that back ground, surrounded by family and many friends with PGA stats who had great careers and living well from its honest hard work, I was still willing to hear and listen to Jim Venetos. I only wish I knew this technique from the very beginning of my golf.

He mentioned the Fosbury Flop in his comment earlier and that's exactly the point. If no one did it and became successful at it, it won't be here today. Everyone would still be doing it the old way.

Btw, this swing allows us to hit all shapes and not just restricted to the cool tight draws. We can hit it high/low fade it nicely or with power... What I mean is playing from a position makes it more fun. Playing from a position creates a lot of leverage and power and versatility.... But then we all know golf isn't just about power. It calls for a lot like finesse being artful, proven skills that gains a player the confidence... building skills to take to the course or with your regular games and ultimately for some out where you play against other pros and make chex like some of his students.

In my case, I've heard everything from my regular group of guys and just about everywhere I play about how people think I should play. But only to find them slowly adapting the Venetos golf... No harm in trying on your own, but if you do, be fair to your self and get some help or at least learn to experiment it the proper way... Not just go out there and swing the way you think Jim does it and then give that feed back to us. That wouldn't only be unfair to you, but think of who or others. Jim's a great guy and would entertain your golf thoughts towards productivity. But if you are set on conventional, then you are and it's cool.

Thanks, guys.

Best.

CLSS
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Welcome, CLSS. I was thinking a similar point. When Stack n Tilt first came out, I am sure it wasn't received well and it was weird looking too. A few years later a few pros adopted it. I still do not see any of these as body friendly swings though.
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This is jim Venetos. Look at the "hi all" and similar paragraph structure and the fact that this is his only post...

[Hstead]

bph7 shoots and scores. Good call, nice catch, and very good yards after the catch.

[craniac24]

[quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410561612' post='10108847']
I'm skeptical as well on those LD distances with this type of swing ...

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM[/url]

... unless the qualifier was held on a runway at LAX.
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Haha...that draw with a 9 iron was AT LEAST 15 yards.

[sixunder]

I've worked side by side w Jim and if your reading this Jim its Mark. To all the posters i dont agree with all of his stuff but i know the guy can play he regularly shot 66- to 76 and tried q_ school a few times all while teaching and running his own buisness.Jim has helped alot of golfers weather they really do what he preaches or not.The last time i taught next to him was 14 yrs ago in So Cal and i had no clue what S n T was or if even existed back then but Jim liked every one to stay in there left side and hit it from there and was big on setup and how they arranged there bodies to accomplish this.
We had many agruements on this stuff but in the end i felt he wanted players to hit the ball w 85 % weght or pressure in there front side before there lead arm hit last parallel. So folks its not for mr or my students but if it helps you then go for it

[garyt]

OK,so I went to give the swing a try yesterday.

First off, myself and a few others wondered if the swing would put some stress on a bodypart. The moving your arms against a still body seems like it would be tough on a knee or back. Well, Iwas just coming off a 9 day layoff from a bad back where I could hardly walk,but this swing put absolutely no stress on my back, knees or anything else. In fact, Jim's idea of pivoting off your front side worked so well,I think I'll continue to use it even if I don't use his swing.
Ballflight for me was straight to a slight draw,nothing extreme. I had my driver set to the open position where I usually play it. I may try it in nuetral or closed to get more draw and maybe more rollout. It was clod and wet,so my ball was often embedded in it's pitch mark. I was really impressed with how accurate and consistent the swing was.
Distance was at first,bad. I was taking the "no movement " thing a bit far and not following through enough. When I got that right,I was hitting my normal distances.
Short game is where this swing may really shine. Pitch shots were easy and effective with so few moving parts.Just need to get the distances dialed in,but everything was straight and easy to get in the air.
All in all,I plan to go forward with it,for the accuracy alone. I'll go back and rewatch the videos and maybe join his site. I'm an 8-10 hdcp and I can definitely play to that with this swing.

[tony_teetime]

Jim 's technique may help golfers who never break 100 or 90, but I don't think these same golfers will break 80 with using this only technique.

How do these same golfers who are right handed handle tree line dog leg right which requires a high fade to have an easy second shot in?

How do these same right handed golfers handle pins that are on the right protected by bunkers which requires a fade ?

What about pins that are on the left side and the draw bias swing cause you to miss the green and get short sided ?

My point is there are times on the course where you (right handed) need to start the ball from the left and have it fade back to your target in order to be in good scoring position. This one swing in to out technique will hinder most golfer who uses this technique from breaking 80 frequently.

[garyt]

[quote name='tony_teetime' timestamp='1410699493' post='10114895']
Jim 's technique may help golfers who never break 100 or 90, but I don't think these same golfers will break 80 with using this only technique.

How do these same golfers who are right handed handle tree line dog leg right which requires a high fade to have an easy second shot in?

How do these same right handed golfers handle pins that are on the right protected by bunkers which requires a fade ?

What about pins that are on the left side and the draw bias swing cause you to miss the green and get short sided ?

My point is there are times on the course where you (right handed) need to start the ball from the left and have it fade back to your target in order to be in good scoring position. This one swing in to out technique will hinder most golfer who uses this technique from breaking 80 frequently.
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As an 8 hdcp I break 80 occasionally,usually if I have a good putting day. I can't really work the ball. I can fade the driver,but I play all my irons for a straight shot. Pin on the far left? I'm happy with middle of the green You can score pretty well with one shot shape,but as you say,probably not get to the highest levels,maybe not even scratch,IDK. But I'm happy where I am and this swing may make it easier to stay there.

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='caeleric' timestamp='1410552535' post='10108217']
[quote name='Jimvenetos' timestamp='1410551772' post='10108161']
[quote name='caeleric' timestamp='1410545431' post='10107743']
i'm a huge proponent of target-favored rotational swings like you see mike bender, sean foley, and snt advocate. that said, i'm highly skeptical of your swing. can you post a video of your driver swing with this model? i'd love to see it in action.
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It's understandable to be skeptical, I teach a very different perception for the swing. The perception shift is similar to the Fosbury flop.

What do you mean by target-favored? I definitely favor the target over any other place on the course, in fact, I'd say I'm target obsessed.

The rotational swings are fine, I just believe they are more difficult to perform based upon requiring precise rhythm, tempo and timing to maintain. In the swing I teach, the rhythm, tempo and timing are a product of the still weight.
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target-favored may be the wrong terminology. what i mean is weight distribution at setup and top of backswing. i think most golfers should keep the weight favoring the target side of their body instead of shifting away.

i've never tried your swing, so i cannot comment on its efficacy, but as someone who struggles with a hook as is, watching your path and face rotation gives me the sweats.
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The reason why you hit a hook isn't because your path is inside out. If your path was truly inside out your shot would be a true tight draw.

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410561612' post='10108847']
I'm skeptical as well on those LD distances with this type of swing ...

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM[/url]

... unless the qualifier was held on a runway at LAX.
[/quote]


Ha! Hilarious. Look I'm not trying to sell anybody on this swing, I'm just answering questions with truth and logic and yet a few of you (high handicappers) seem so certain that you know better. The qualifier wasn't on a runway, it was at a long drive grid. Don't hate until you can actually prove it wrong.

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410561612' post='10108847']
I'm skeptical as well on those LD distances with this type of swing ...

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM[/url]

... unless the qualifier was held on a runway at LAX.
[/quote][quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410561612' post='10108847']
I'm skeptical as well on those LD distances with this type of swing ...

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM[/url]

... unless the qualifier was held on a runway at LAX.
[/quote]

Ha! Hilarious! Look, I'm not trying to sell you on this swing, I'm just answering questions with truth and logic yet a few of you seem so certain that you know better. I know that's human nature to be skeptical but you guys are putting yourselves in the "I thought the world was flat category". The qualifier wasn't on a runway, it was at a grid. Don't hate, try to prove me wrong with some logic and not your feelings or beliefs that you've accumulated as high handicappers.

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410561612' post='10108847']
I'm skeptical as well on those LD distances with this type of swing ...

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM[/url]

... unless the qualifier was held on a runway at LAX.
[/quote]

Ha! Hilarious, you guys are cute. Look, I'm not trying to sell anybody on this swing, I was contacted by one of you and told that you were discussing the swing I teach so I'm just here answering your questions with logic and truths. I know it's human nature to be skeptical but if some of you are so certain that I'm wrong or deceiving you then I challenge you to provide an argument that has some truth and logic to it before you go putting yourselves in "the world is flat category". The qualifier wasn't on a runway, it was at a long drive grid...made of grass, and it rained the morning of the qualifier.

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='russc' timestamp='1410562275' post='10108889']
Let's take a look at this swing
Setup
1. right hand looks considerably. under
2.unless there is parallax issue the feet look somewhat closed,with the shoulders and hips very closed
3.Both feet toed out .Can not figure the purpose of doing so with the right foot since there is no hip rotation in the swing
4.Left hip outside left heel at setup with weight obviously on his left foot/leg
5.Both legs pretty straight at setup
Going back there is a surprising amount of shoulder turn ,indicating above average flexibility and an above average amount of wrist set.His shoulder turn is enough to almost get the shaft parrallel despite NO hip rotation
During the swing there is NO Discernible hip rotation that i can see .There is some lateral movement at the hips going down resulting in the outside of his left hip well outside his left heel and weight shifting towards the target
He maintains his leverage very well going down and obviously possess above average athletic ability and hand-eye coordination

To attack other instructors as snake oil salesmen is a strong and uncalled for pejorative.,although I do agree that most pros are not good instructors


Conclusion
His setup is somewhat similar to what a golfer should use if he has to hit a ball under a tree limb and have it hook left
Can it improve the average golfer .Maybe
[/quote]

I'm not attacking other instructors, but if there concepts worked, don't you think the average golfer would be better and the pros would all swing similarly? Also, your analysis of my swing is inaccurate. I clearly have my left leg bent more than my right. I clearly pivot my hips and shoulders in the set up which contradicts your thought that I'm using flexibility to create my swing. In fact, I'm one of the least flexible athletes you will come across. And, this set up allows any golfer to hit the ball high or low, fade or draw, hook or slice, spin or release.

How about you post video of your swing and I will politely analyze it for you telling you what I see as potential flaws or strengths?

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1410563095' post='10108939']
How do you hit a fade with that motion?
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Good question. Bobby Jones once said, "to hit a fade, the expert player does intentionally what the average golfer does unintentionally." It's still all about the set up. If you keep your body in the same closed position yet you align yourself left off the target and hold the face open through impact you'll hit an inside-out fade...like Fred Couples does.

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1410563031' post='10108933']
[quote name='Tanner25' timestamp='1410561836' post='10108873']
easy fellas
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He used snake oil salesman and you want people to take it easy?
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[quote name='russc' timestamp='1410616794' post='10111357']
Combining the lack of hip rotation with no lateral movement or rotation by the head,I am finding it difficult to get to even 9:00 going back.
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[quote name='russc' timestamp='1410616794' post='10111357']
Combining the lack of hip rotation with no lateral movement or rotation by the head,I am finding it difficult to get to even 9:00 going back.
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Then you probably aren't pivoting your hips enough in the set up. This swing is void of hip rotation DURING the swing, but we pre-set the hips in the set up prior to swinging. In fact, this whole swing is a pre-set of the set up to secure path, power, contact and ease of performance.

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1410563379' post='10108955']
[quote name='CSchnee' timestamp='1410563229' post='10108949']
[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1410563095' post='10108939']
How do you hit a fade with that motion?
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Left handed
[/quote]

Brilliant!
[/quote]

I replied to that same question from another post.

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1410564389' post='10109049']
I think it speaks to the desperation some must face to even consider trying this. In all seriousness, how completely hopeless and out of ideas does one have to be to even think about this?
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What's your handicap and qualifications...player?

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='dornstar' timestamp='1410565526' post='10109153']
On a positive note, I watched most of Jim Venetos videos the other night and I thought they were very well done. I don't agree with his swing philosophy, but I can appreciate the way he presents the information.
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Thank you, much appreciated.

[Ghost of Snead]

[quote name='Jimvenetos' timestamp='1410709155' post='10115361']
[quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410561612' post='10108847']
I'm skeptical as well on those LD distances with this type of swing ...

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM[/url]

... unless the qualifier was held on a runway at LAX.
[/quote][quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410561612' post='10108847']
I'm skeptical as well on those LD distances with this type of swing ...

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RQ6h8RP-JeM[/url]

... unless the qualifier was held on a runway at LAX.
[/quote]

Ha! Hilarious! Look, I'm not trying to sell you on this swing, I'm just answering questions with truth and logic yet a few of you seem so certain that you know better. I know that's human nature to be skeptical but you guys are putting yourselves in the "I thought the world was flat category". The qualifier wasn't on a runway, it was at a grid. Don't hate, try to prove me wrong with some logic and not your feelings or beliefs that you've accumulated as high handicappers.
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Not a high handicapper here and with all due respect ...

You're trying to bottle and sell a swing that hundreds of amateurs across the country and world already possess. I can name 5 guys at my club that swing like you do and can also guarantee that not one of them knows you. Name one professional golfer that swings like you do and please back up CLSS' comment with evidence about the guys who making "chex" with your swing.

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='golfinglarrypiersall' timestamp='1410616042' post='10111313']
[quote name='CLSS' timestamp='1410589368' post='10110735']
Hi all. Newbie here.
Great topic!

Something new in golf almost always gets a reaction. If it had come from up top or already a success, people can't help but follow whether they understand... Good results are compelling. However, from an unknown person it's difficult to be open minded for some reason. Like me, my step dad is a PGA retired, made all his money from playing golf ever since and then teaching golf thereafter... Made well for himself in golf. He's my golf beginnings in the early 90s after 10 years of knowing him. But even with that back ground, surrounded by family and many friends with PGA stats who had great careers and living well from its honest hard work, I was still willing to hear and listen to Jim Venetos. I only wish I knew this technique from the very beginning of my golf.

He mentioned the Fosbury Flop in his comment earlier and that's exactly the point. If no one did it and became successful at it, it won't be here today. Everyone would still be doing it the old way.

Btw, this swing allows us to hit all shapes and not just restricted to the cool tight draws. We can hit it high/low fade it nicely or with power... What I mean is playing from a position makes it more fun. Playing from a position creates a lot of leverage and power and versatility.... But then we all know golf isn't just about power. It calls for a lot like finesse being artful, proven skills that gains a player the confidence... building skills to take to the course or with your regular games and ultimately for some out where you play against other pros and make chex like some of his students.

In my case, I've heard everything from my regular group of guys and just about everywhere I play about how people think I should play. But only to find them slowly adapting the Venetos golf... No harm in trying on your own, but if you do, be fair to your self and get some help or at least learn to experiment it the proper way... Not just go out there and swing the way you think Jim does it and then give that feed back to us. That wouldn't only be unfair to you, but think of who or others. Jim's a great guy and would entertain your golf thoughts towards productivity. But if you are set on conventional, then you are and it's cool.

Thanks, guys.

Best.

CLSS
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Ok Jim...
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Ha! Really? You guys are some of the more skeptical golfers I've encountered. "You can lead a horse to water..."

[craniac24]

[quote name='Jimvenetos' timestamp='1410710763' post='10115425']
[quote name='russc' timestamp='1410562275' post='10108889']
Let's take a look at this swing
Setup
1. right hand looks considerably. under
2.unless there is parallax issue the feet look somewhat closed,with the shoulders and hips very closed
3.Both feet toed out .Can not figure the purpose of doing so with the right foot since there is no hip rotation in the swing
4.Left hip outside left heel at setup with weight obviously on his left foot/leg
5.Both legs pretty straight at setup
Going back there is a surprising amount of shoulder turn ,indicating above average flexibility and an above average amount of wrist set.His shoulder turn is enough to almost get the shaft parrallel despite NO hip rotation
During the swing there is NO Discernible hip rotation that i can see .There is some lateral movement at the hips going down resulting in the outside of his left hip well outside his left heel and weight shifting towards the target
He maintains his leverage very well going down and obviously possess above average athletic ability and hand-eye coordination

To attack other instructors as snake oil salesmen is a strong and uncalled for pejorative.,although I do agree that most pros are not good instructors


Conclusion
His setup is somewhat similar to what a golfer should use if he has to hit a ball under a tree limb and have it hook left
Can it improve the average golfer .Maybe
[/quote]

I'm not attacking other instructors, but if there concepts worked, don't you think the average golfer would be better and the pros would all swing similarly? Also, your analysis of my swing is inaccurate. I clearly have my left leg bent more than my right. I clearly pivot my hips and shoulders in the set up which contradicts your thought that I'm using flexibility to create my swing. In fact, I'm one of the least flexible athletes you will come across. And, this set up allows any golfer to hit the ball high or low, fade or draw, hook or slice, spin or release.

How about you post video of your swing and I will politely analyze it for you telling you what I see as potential flaws or strengths?
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1) You completely mis-read and/or misunderstood almost everything Russ just opined about your swing.

2) Why are you attacking him? Russ is one of the few people in this thread that is conceding that your technique might actually help the average golfer.

3) You seem like a real jackass.

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410617457' post='10111377']
I'd like to see the names/swings of his students that are making "chex" ... IMO, the only golfers that might benefit from this type of swing are golfers with disabilities or seniors with limited mobility. Weight transfer is an integral part of all sports that involve hitting an object with an imnplement of some sort.
[/quote]

I've been teaching this for over 20 years and have 1000s of students. You'll recognize them when you play with them, they're the ones hitting tight powerful draws with little effort. I'll make a compilation video of a few of my students so that you can see how similar their swing is to mine. Which poses a question, how often do you see the student swing like the pro?

[bph7]

I've got the popcorn ready. Gonna be a fun day of nfl and watching this thread among other things. Keep it up Jim, I'm certain that your condescension is gaining you many new students!

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='lefty57' timestamp='1410617457' post='10111377']
I'd like to see the names/swings of his students that are making "chex" ... IMO, the only golfers that might benefit from this type of swing are golfers with disabilities or seniors with limited mobility. Weight transfer is an integral part of all sports that involve hitting an object with an imnplement of some sort.
[/quote]

Oh, I just realized what chex means. I have one student, Chris Baingo who is in the top 30 of the egolf tour west coast money list. He's played in 2 us ams and has been steadily making chex since he turned pro 2 years ago(we've been working together for 4 years). And, he just broke his own course record at our home course crystalaire cc in california with a smooth 61 (par 72).

[Jimvenetos]

[quote name='oikos1' timestamp='1410617779' post='10111391']
[quote name='Jimvenetos' timestamp='1410544266' post='10107629']
Hi All,

Glad to see I'm a part of your discussion & I'm glad to answer any questions you might have, I'll start with a few that I have already read.

The Hook - First, I don't teach people to hit a 40 yard hook. The swing I teach produces a tight draw(2-3 yards max). The miss of my swing is a wide hook, but that's the miss and that means that your misses will still end up back at target line. Another important characteristic of the miss is that your misses will never slice which allows you to eliminate one half of the course.

Presetting - Someone mentioned that I am presetting impact, Correct! I'm presetting the back swing, impact, the path of the club and the contact of the shot. This reduces responsibility on the golfer during the swing providing more consistency and ease of performance.

Power and the driver - Without a weight shift it may seem that power is decreased but in fact it's the opposite, power is increased. This is because power doesn't come from speed of the club, it comes from flexing the shaft and reducing spin. How the shaft flexes is by creating a circular swing. When you hold your weight still throughout the swing, a circular swing is easily created as your weight holds the center of the circle still. This circular swing flexes the shaft which gives you the first component of power. [b]Then the closed set up position gives you a shallow path which reduces spin on the ball. It's the combination of these two factors that produces consistent and abundant power. All of my students experience a substantial increase in power throughout the bag[/b] and, personally, I have 118 mph club head speed with driver with a mid launch angle and 1800 revs of spin. And, to prove that this swing is powerful I entered one remax long drive qualifier to see how I stacked up against the pros. I hit 5 out of 6 balls in the grid at 393, 391, 389, 387, 386(also, I wore my chuck taylor's, I teed the ball low and I never swung hard because I wanted to see what my stock swing would produce). I finished 6th out of 26 & missed qualifying by 6 yards but I proved my point of consistent power. Someone in this forum scoffed at the idea that decreasing spin increases power. I'd like to hear his explanation of that. The whole purpose for the new concept of hitting up on the driver is to reduce spin on the ball but hitting up has 2 flaws; 1, you have to learn how to make one swing for driver and one swing for the rest of your clubs, and, 2, the trajectory is too high making the shot vulnerable to wind.

Back or knee pressure - I've had this swing proven bio-mechanically sound by a USC bio-kinesiologist. This is because the swing I teach is centered at the left shoulder and not the spine. The left shoulder is well equipped to handle the circular motion of the swing but ironically the spine is not. This is because the spine doesn't twist, yet in the traditional swing you are asked to rotate the shoulders around the spine. It is this rotation in the traditional swing that cause stress, pain and fatigue on the spine. Don't believe me, look at Jason Day, Tiger or your buddy who's back hurts when he golfs.

My target audience - Any golfer who has come to the realization that the traditional view points on the swing are too difficult to perform consistently. Any golfer who is tired of changing their swing thoughts everyday. Any golfer who has realized that golf mags are constantly contradicting themselves when they provide instruction. Any golfer who is frustrated of thinking the "have it" today only to come out tomorrow to find that they have to start all over again. Any golfer that thinks their handicap should be a lot lower than it is. Any golfer who is confused by the "snake oil salesman" that are spewing their illogical rhetoric about golf instruction. If traditional swing instruction actually worked, don't you think the average golfer would be better by now?

I teach you a set up that predetermines the path and contact for your swing so all you have to do is hold your weight still to produce a powerful and consistent swing. The position creates the action.

Glad to answer any questions you might have,
Jim
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Jim,

On one hand, you say power is generated with less spin, and then you say "All of my students experience a substantial increase in power throughout the bag". However, when hitting irons, you have much more spin than the "1800" spin rate you hit at with a driver. Where does the power come from with their irons?
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Yes, irons spin more than drivers but my swing produces less spin through the bag than most traditional swings. Our stock irons all have one small hop and stop spin. This eliminates having to worry about spinning wedges off greens while producing a boring trajectory that is very useful in the wind. Not to say that we can't zip wedges when we need to, but our stock shots are spinning less.
Now the power comes from flexing the shaft and the distance comes from the ball spinning less.

[golfinglarrypiersall]

Jim can you explain how the ball curves? Left to right and then right to left? Thanks

[Jimvenetos]

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I'd like to see the names/swings of his students that are making "chex" ... IMO, the only golfers that might benefit from this type of swing are golfers with disabilities or seniors with limited mobility. Weight transfer is an integral part of all sports that involve hitting an object with an imnplement of some sort.
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I always thought this was a terrible way to judge a swing. What if I came up with a swing that could take the multitudes that can't break 100 now and got them to the mid 80's,but something about my swing limited you from going much lower. Maybe it lacked top notch distance,or you couldn't work the ball. Since no pros would use it,would it be a failure? I'd say no,and I bet I'd be a millionaire in the process. there's tons of people out there who love the game but just struggle mightily with it. Invent a way for them to enjoy the game more,and I'd say you're a great success.
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You've missed the boat Gary, its called stack and tilt
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Once again, you show your naive understanding of the golf swing. S&t weights left in the set up and strikes with the right arm in the swing. S&t has no closed pre-set, s&t asks you to micro manage the movements of the swing and s&t only produces a medium amount of power. I suggest you put more effort into your understanding of the swing before you categorize a technique.