Fighting Gravity and THE Club Weight

[smdykas]

If the club just fell from gravity, it'd never get to the ball and would be traveling extremely slowly. Gravity has a negligible affect and has been discussed plenty. To get the club to shallow players are actually applying a force on the handle in opposite direction of gravity. The golfer is the one who applies the force that makes the club move.

 

"applying force on the handle opposite direction of gravity" do you mean as you approach impact, the handle raises? Or does this mean something different?

[glk]

If the club just fell from gravity, it'd never get to the ball and would be traveling extremely slowly. Gravity has a negligible affect and has been discussed plenty. To get the club to shallow players are actually applying a force on the handle in opposite direction of gravity. The golfer is the one who applies the force that makes the club move.

 

"applying force on the handle opposite direction of gravity" do you mean as you approach impact, the handle raises? Or does this mean something different?

[iteachgolf]

If the club just fell from gravity, it'd never get to the ball and would be traveling extremely slowly. Gravity has a negligible affect and has been discussed plenty. To get the club to shallow players are actually applying a force on the handle in opposite direction of gravity. The golfer is the one who applies the force that makes the club move.

 

"applying force on the handle opposite direction of gravity" do you mean as you approach impact, the handle raises? Or does this mean something different?

 

At multiple points in the swing including transition

[smdykas]

If the club just fell from gravity, it'd never get to the ball and would be traveling extremely slowly. Gravity has a negligible affect and has been discussed plenty. To get the club to shallow players are actually applying a force on the handle in opposite direction of gravity. The golfer is the one who applies the force that makes the club move.

 

"applying force on the handle opposite direction of gravity" do you mean as you approach impact, the handle raises? Or does this mean something different?

https://vimeo.com/158419250

 

I understand now. Applying what I learned, not sure. But I agree about the forces now. Makes sense.

[dj*]

Hands and arms move down as a result of one or both of the following:

Regaining flexion

Over tilting shoulders

 

...plus it’s been measured

 

Seems like replanting a raised lead heel should be on the list too.

 

Reading some other related WRX threads here, and while doing additional searching found this piece from Golfweek, not sure about the publishing date. Is this an accurate quote?

 

Long drive champion Monte Scheinblum says he begins his downswing with lower body movement. He shifts his weight forward and rotates his hips, but he keeps his hands soft, which he defines as “allowing the hands to drop with gravity.” Scheinblum says this method of achieving club head lag is beneficial for any golfer, regardless of the player’s swing speed.

 

Link:

https://golftips.gol...wing-20709.html

[Krt22]

Hands and arms move down as a result of one or both of the following:

Regaining flexion

Over tilting shoulders

 

...plus it’s been measured

 

Seems like replanting a raised lead heel should be on the list too.

 

Reading some other related WRX threads here, and while doing additional searching found this piece from Golfweek, not sure about the publishing date. Is this an accurate quote?

 

Long drive champion Monte Scheinblum says he begins his downswing with lower body movement. He shifts his weight forward and rotates his hips, but he keeps his hands soft, which he defines as “allowing the hands to drop with gravity.” Scheinblum says this method of achieving club head lag is beneficial for any golfer, regardless of the player’s swing speed.

 

Link:

https://golftips.gol...wing-20709.html

 

There should be two separate discussions.

 

1. What feels can create proper movements

2. What is actually happening.

[MonteScheinblum]

Hands and arms move down as a result of one or both of the following:

Regaining flexion

Over tilting shoulders

 

...plus it’s been measured

 

Seems like replanting a raised lead heel should be on the list too.

 

Reading some other related WRX threads here, and while doing additional searching found this piece from Golfweek, not sure about the publishing date. Is this an accurate quote?

 

Long drive champion Monte Scheinblum says he begins his downswing with lower body movement. He shifts his weight forward and rotates his hips, but he keeps his hands soft, which he defines as “allowing the hands to drop with gravity.” Scheinblum says this method of achieving club head lag is beneficial for any golfer, regardless of the player’s swing speed.

 

Link:

https://golftips.gol...wing-20709.html

 

Lmao.

 

Well, my feel in those days was first move to dump the lag with my right hand first move down...

 

I also won a contest off the knees with all the top long drivers by a significant amount and when all the big dudes asked me how I hit it so far, my feel was the arms go up and fight gravity so I don’t have to slow down to keep the club from sticking in the ground.

 

Also allowed me to hit a trick shot that some golfwrxers have seen when I hit it off my knees where the ball is above my head and the arms go up....

 

That’s all pretty much the exact opposite of that quote.

 

...and I didn’t know anything about anything then. I still thought a ball went left off a side hill because the heel stuck in the ground and closed the face, a hook had top spin and the earth was flat.

[Krt22]

I watched a youtube video proving the earth was indeed flat, so you weren't all wrong!

[wmblake2000]

If the club just fell from gravity, it'd never get to the ball and would be traveling extremely slowly. Gravity has a negligible affect and has been discussed plenty. To get the club to shallow players are actually applying a force on the handle in opposite direction of gravity. The golfer is the one who applies the force that makes the club move.

 

Wow, what an inspirational post. Of course, if the club just fell from gravity it would never get to the ball.....how could it!

 

Hilarious!

 

Go read other threads and that's not obvious to many. Gravity has a negligible affect on the club and shouldn't even be given a second thought

 

Well, thank you so much for the clarification. There is enough to think about , who the heck is thinking about Gravity?

 

Some of the posters here, how the hell do they even procreate. If they made it as complicated as the golf swing, foreplay would take 5 hours. And then of course, we have to consider "Gravity"

 

Hilarious dude, this is all hilarious.

 

Anyway, I can't thank you enough for all this wisdom about "Gravity".

 

Dont wanna read about it then dont. Plenty of people obviously think about it and guys like Malaska babble on about it and spread misinformation. Thanks for your wonderful contribution though

 

I wonder if what people mean with this gravity thing is there is a certain amount of relaxed shoulders in transition (although not entirely inactive) that sorta feels like ‘letting things happen’ to me. However my arms and hands are not passive at all in transition, so it’s a little about what to do, what to let happen... or so it seems to me.

[AFcelica]

Hands and arms move down as a result of one or both of the following:

Regaining flexion

Over tilting shoulders

 

...plus it’s been measured

 

Seems like replanting a raised lead heel should be on the list too.

 

Reading some other related WRX threads here, and while doing additional searching found this piece from Golfweek, not sure about the publishing date. Is this an accurate quote?

 

Long drive champion Monte Scheinblum says he begins his downswing with lower body movement. He shifts his weight forward and rotates his hips, but he keeps his hands soft, which he defines as “allowing the hands to drop with gravity.” Scheinblum says this method of achieving club head lag is beneficial for any golfer, regardless of the player’s swing speed.

 

Link:

https://golftips.gol...wing-20709.html

 

Lmao.

 

Well, my feel in those days was first move to dump the lag with my right hand first move down...

 

I also won a contest off the knees with all the top long drivers by a significant amount and when all the big dudes asked me how I hit it so far, my feel was the arms go up and fight gravity so I don’t have to slow down to keep the club from sticking in the ground.

 

Also allowed me to hit a trick shot that some golfwrxers have seen when I hit it off my knees where the ball is above my head and the arms go up....

 

That’s all pretty much the exact opposite of that quote.

 

...and I didn’t know anything about anything then. I still thought a ball went left off a side hill because the heel stuck in the ground and closed the face, a hook had top spin and the earth was flat.

 

Dump it kinda like this? ( starts the dump move at 1:35 )

 

[Hilts1969]

Not really the club is far too light to be concerned by gravity. I have tried the gravity thing and it didn’t work but saying that I have tried everything.

The club might be light but both arms together weigh about 20lbs so dropping the whole lot just might add a bit of force.

 

Just for the sake of argument, if a golfer added no power of his own and just dropped his arms from the top with no pivot how much power would he generate? Probably not much but still some. Might hit the ball 50 yards. That's actually how I feel when I hit pitches around that yardage. I don't feel like I add power, just drop my arms.

 

You wouldn’t actually hit the ball mate

[BB28403]

Do you guys think players fight gravity and the weight that is inside the club? And perhaps better players know how to use the THE club weight with gravity and the natural way the club wants to fall.

 

Are a lot of players losing energy in the swing because they go against the natural downward path the clubhead and weight want to travel?

 

Would love to hear your thoughts on the subject.

 

 

An in to out swing fights gravity and your body mass, a little over the top utilizes gravity and helps you stay out of your own way.

 

WUT??

 

I see what he’s saying

 

If you don’t shallow the club due to say back swing goes behind your shoulder and then you bring it back in a steep direction above that backswing line, then it is really hard to hit the ball that way. Because the head of the club comes in really steep that way.

 

If you reverse all that and shallow the club the club head comes in at a really nice angle to hit the ball. And if you are just say using gravity, this is the way the club naturally wants to fall, so why fight it?

 

And yeah you guys teach at such a high level I’m sure these simplistic terms do not really correlate in your day to day stuff. So yeah it may sound out there, haha

[iteachgolf]

Do you guys think players fight gravity and the weight that is inside the club? And perhaps better players know how to use the THE club weight with gravity and the natural way the club wants to fall.

 

Are a lot of players losing energy in the swing because they go against the natural downward path the clubhead and weight want to travel?

 

Would love to hear your thoughts on the subject.

 

 

An in to out swing fights gravity and your body mass, a little over the top utilizes gravity and helps you stay out of your own way.

 

WUT??

 

I see what he’s saying

 

If you don’t shallow the club due to say back swing goes behind your shoulder and then you bring it back in a steep direction above that backswing line, then it is really hard to hit the ball that way. Because the head of the club comes in really steep that way.

 

If you reverse all that and shallow the club the club head comes in at a really nice angle to hit the ball. And if you are just say using gravity, this is the way the club naturally wants to fall, so why fight it?

 

And yeah you guys teach at such a high level I’m sure these simplistic terms do not really correlate in your day to day stuff. So yeah it may sound out there, haha

 

Again I don’t think you understand what he’s saying, as it’s opposite of what you’re saying. The club doesn’t naturally want to shallow/flatten due to gravity.

[wmblake2000]

Do you guys think players fight gravity and the weight that is inside the club? And perhaps better players know how to use the THE club weight with gravity and the natural way the club wants to fall.

 

Are a lot of players losing energy in the swing because they go against the natural downward path the clubhead and weight want to travel?

 

Would love to hear your thoughts on the subject.

 

 

An in to out swing fights gravity and your body mass, a little over the top utilizes gravity and helps you stay out of your own way.

 

WUT??

 

I see what heâs saying

 

If you donât shallow the club due to say back swing goes behind your shoulder and then you bring it back in a steep direction above that backswing line, then it is really hard to hit the ball that way. Because the head of the club comes in really steep that way.

 

If you reverse all that and shallow the club the club head comes in at a really nice angle to hit the ball. And if you are just say using gravity, this is the way the club naturally wants to fall, so why fight it?

 

And yeah you guys teach at such a high level Iâm sure these simplistic terms do not really correlate in your day to day stuff. So yeah it may sound out there, haha

 

Again I dont think you understand what hes saying, as its opposite of what youre saying. The club doesnt naturally want to shallow/flatten due to gravity.

 

I would guess the primary impact of gravity is on the much heavier arms which would cause club to steepen.

[Golfjack]

eh... even on the most delicate chip shots where I feel like I let gravity do the work, I'm still manipulating with my body. Otherwise it would just fall to the ground. And if golf was that easy, we'd all be experts at dropping clubs.

[dap]

Not really the club is far too light to be concerned by gravity. I have tried the gravity thing and it didn’t work but saying that I have tried everything.

The club might be light but both arms together weigh about 20lbs so dropping the whole lot just might add a bit of force.

 

Just for the sake of argument, if a golfer added no power of his own and just dropped his arms from the top with no pivot how much power would he generate? Probably not much but still some. Might hit the ball 50 yards. That's actually how I feel when I hit pitches around that yardage. I don't feel like I add power, just drop my arms.

 

You wouldn’t actually hit the ball mate

No you won't but that's not the point. The arms weigh quite a bit and can generate some force by just dropping them.It's not just the club being dropped. Raise your arm up high and then drop them onto a table if you dare. It might be quite painful.

 

Not saying gravity plays any role in the golf swing. Just saying.

 

 

[juststeve]

Hands and arms move down as a result of one or both of the following:

Regaining flexion

Over tilting shoulders

 

...plus it's been measured

 

Seems like replanting a raised lead heel should be on the list too.

 

Reading some other related WRX threads here, and while doing additional searching found this piece from Golfweek, not sure about the publishing date. Is this an accurate quote?

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Long drive champion Monte Scheinblum says he begins his downswing with lower body movement. He shifts his weight forward and rotates his hips, but he keeps his hands soft, which he defines as "allowing the hands to drop with gravity." Scheinblum says this method of achieving club head lag is beneficial for any golfer, regardless of the player's swing speed.

 

Link:

https://golftips.gol...wing-20709.html

 

Lmao.

 

Well, my feel in those days was first move to dump the lag with my right hand first move down...

 

I also won a contest off the knees with all the top long drivers by a significant amount and when all the big dudes asked me how I hit it so far, my feel was the arms go up and fight gravity so I don't have to slow down to keep the club from sticking in the ground.

 

Also allowed me to hit a trick shot that some golfwrxers have seen when I hit it off my knees where the ball is above my head and the arms go up....

 

That's all pretty much the exact opposite of that quote.

 

...and I didn't know anything about anything then. I still thought a ball went left off a side hill because the heel stuck in the ground and closed the face, a hook had top spin and the earth was flat.

 

Monte is being too modest when he writes " I didn’t know anything about anything then." Monte knew the most important thing, what it feels like to swing the club really fast. Knowing that plus having a favorable genetic endowment made him at the time the longest hitter around. Has the knowledge of physics gained since he thought he was allowing his hand to drop with gravity made him any longer?

 

I don't doubt the finding of science, I just doubt that they have much to do with performing on the golf course.

 

Steve

[BB28403]

Hands and arms move down as a result of one or both of the following:

Regaining flexion

Over tilting shoulders

 

...plus it's been measured

 

Seems like replanting a raised lead heel should be on the list too.

 

Reading some other related WRX threads here, and while doing additional searching found this piece from Golfweek, not sure about the publishing date. Is this an accurate quote?

 

Long drive champion Monte Scheinblum says he begins his downswing with lower body movement. He shifts his weight forward and rotates his hips, but he keeps his hands soft, which he defines as "allowing the hands to drop with gravity." Scheinblum says this method of achieving club head lag is beneficial for any golfer, regardless of the player's swing speed.

 

Link:

https://golftips.gol...wing-20709.html

 

Lmao.

 

Well, my feel in those days was first move to dump the lag with my right hand first move down...

 

I also won a contest off the knees with all the top long drivers by a significant amount and when all the big dudes asked me how I hit it so far, my feel was the arms go up and fight gravity so I don't have to slow down to keep the club from sticking in the ground.

 

Also allowed me to hit a trick shot that some golfwrxers have seen when I hit it off my knees where the ball is above my head and the arms go up....

 

That's all pretty much the exact opposite of that quote.

 

...and I didn't know anything about anything then. I still thought a ball went left off a side hill because the heel stuck in the ground and closed the face, a hook had top spin and the earth was flat.

 

Monte is being too modest when he writes " I didn’t know anything about anything then." Monte knew the most important thing, what it feels like to swing the club really fast. Knowing that plus having a favorable genetic endowment made him at the time the longest hitter around. Has the knowledge of physics gained since he thoughts he was allowing his hand to drop with gravity made him any longer?

 

I don't doubt the finding of science, I just doubt that they havwe much to do with performing on the golf course.

 

Steve

 

OMG a favorable genetic endowment? Lol

 

Let’s back away from the homosexual undertones. Haha

[Hilts1969]

Not really the club is far too light to be concerned by gravity. I have tried the gravity thing and it didn’t work but saying that I have tried everything.

The club might be light but both arms together weigh about 20lbs so dropping the whole lot just might add a bit of force.

 

Just for the sake of argument, if a golfer added no power of his own and just dropped his arms from the top with no pivot how much power would he generate? Probably not much but still some. Might hit the ball 50 yards. That's actually how I feel when I hit pitches around that yardage. I don't feel like I add power, just drop my arms.

 

You wouldn’t actually hit the ball mate

No you won't but that's not the point. The arms weigh quite a bit and can generate some force by just dropping them.It's not just the club being dropped. Raise your arm up high and then drop them onto a table if you dare. It might be quite painful.

 

Not saying gravity plays any role in the golf swing. Just saying.

 

The whole thread is semantic nonsense really but good fun. What we do is lift our arms using a small amount of force. Some players say they let gravity drop the arms/club. But as it takes force to hold them there in effect they are just adding a little less force. Being relaxed loose allowing the club to drop a little is not using gravity. It's still controlling the club. Your still pushing against gravity.

 

N0 way do we fight gravity let it go then fight it again. The timing and thought process with that time would be a stretch.

 

If you had a bar on your eyeline and you were told to lift a heavy rock above it. Let it it drop a bit and throw it under the bar hey Presto.

 

As the club is so light you just control it. To some it feels like gravity it's not.

[smdykas]

Hands and arms move down as a result of one or both of the following:

Regaining flexion

Over tilting shoulders

 

...plus it's been measured

 

Seems like replanting a raised lead heel should be on the list too.

 

Reading some other related WRX threads here, and while doing additional searching found this piece from Golfweek, not sure about the publishing date. Is this an accurate quote?

 

Long drive champion Monte Scheinblum says he begins his downswing with lower body movement. He shifts his weight forward and rotates his hips, but he keeps his hands soft, which he defines as "allowing the hands to drop with gravity." Scheinblum says this method of achieving club head lag is beneficial for any golfer, regardless of the player's swing speed.

 

Link:

https://golftips.gol...wing-20709.html

 

Lmao.

 

Well, my feel in those days was first move to dump the lag with my right hand first move down...

 

I also won a contest off the knees with all the top long drivers by a significant amount and when all the big dudes asked me how I hit it so far, my feel was the arms go up and fight gravity so I don't have to slow down to keep the club from sticking in the ground.

 

Also allowed me to hit a trick shot that some golfwrxers have seen when I hit it off my knees where the ball is above my head and the arms go up....

 

That's all pretty much the exact opposite of that quote.

 

...and I didn't know anything about anything then. I still thought a ball went left off a side hill because the heel stuck in the ground and closed the face, a hook had top spin and the earth was flat.

 

Dump it kinda like this? ( starts the dump move at 1:35 )

 

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Has anyone watched this video. The most important question is the 2:14 - 2:21 mark. Is this really the way to shallow the club? not to let the head drop down???

 

I would love someone to verify this (monte, dan, someone who teaches). This is something I have never even tried.

 

I did a quick search, and it looks like DD has this idea of "tracing down a wall" at the top?

 

I want to try this tonight if this is the right move.

 

Thanks for any comments.

[glk]

Hands and arms move down as a result of one or both of the following:

Regaining flexion

Over tilting shoulders

 

...plus it's been measured

 

Seems like replanting a raised lead heel should be on the list too.

 

Reading some other related WRX threads here, and while doing additional searching found this piece from Golfweek, not sure about the publishing date. Is this an accurate quote?

 

Long drive champion Monte Scheinblum says he begins his downswing with lower body movement. He shifts his weight forward and rotates his hips, but he keeps his hands soft, which he defines as "allowing the hands to drop with gravity." Scheinblum says this method of achieving club head lag is beneficial for any golfer, regardless of the player's swing speed.

 

Link:

https://golftips.gol...wing-20709.html

 

Lmao.

 

Well, my feel in those days was first move to dump the lag with my right hand first move down...

 

I also won a contest off the knees with all the top long drivers by a significant amount and when all the big dudes asked me how I hit it so far, my feel was the arms go up and fight gravity so I don't have to slow down to keep the club from sticking in the ground.

 

Also allowed me to hit a trick shot that some golfwrxers have seen when I hit it off my knees where the ball is above my head and the arms go up....

 

That's all pretty much the exact opposite of that quote.

 

...and I didn't know anything about anything then. I still thought a ball went left off a side hill because the heel stuck in the ground and closed the face, a hook had top spin and the earth was flat.

 

Dump it kinda like this? ( starts the dump move at 1:35 )

 

[media=]

[/media]

 

Has anyone watched this video. The most important question is the 2:14 - 2:21 mark. Is this really the way to shallow the club? not to let the head drop down???

 

I would love someone to verify this (monte, dan, someone who teaches). This is something I have never even tried.

 

I did a quick search, and it looks like DD has this idea of "tracing down a wall" at the top?

 

I want to try this tonight if this is the right move.

 

Thanks for any comments.

 

Monte has an Instagram on doing this move and Tyler Ferrell recently posted a video on it on his pay

 

[juststeve]

Hands and arms move down as a result of one or both of the following:

Regaining flexion

Over tilting shoulders

 

...plus it's been measured

 

Seems like replanting a raised lead heel should be on the list too.

 

Reading some other related WRX threads here, and while doing additional searching found this piece from Golfweek, not sure about the publishing date. Is this an accurate quote?

 

Long drive champion Monte Scheinblum says he begins his downswing with lower body movement. He shifts his weight forward and rotates his hips, but he keeps his hands soft, which he defines as "allowing the hands to drop with gravity." Scheinblum says this method of achieving club head lag is beneficial for any golfer, regardless of the player's swing speed.

 

Link:

https://golftips.gol...wing-20709.html

 

Lmao.

 

Well, my feel in those days was first move to dump the lag with my right hand first move down...

 

I also won a contest off the knees with all the top long drivers by a significant amount and when all the big dudes asked me how I hit it so far, my feel was the arms go up and fight gravity so I don't have to slow down to keep the club from sticking in the ground.

 

Also allowed me to hit a trick shot that some golfwrxers have seen when I hit it off my knees where the ball is above my head and the arms go up....

 

That's all pretty much the exact opposite of that quote.

 

...and I didn't know anything about anything then. I still thought a ball went left off a side hill because the heel stuck in the ground and closed the face, a hook had top spin and the earth was flat.

 

Monte is being too modest when he writes " I didn’t know anything about anything then." Monte knew the most important thing, what it feels like to swing the club really fast. Knowing that plus having a favorable genetic endowment made him at the time the longest hitter around. Has the knowledge of physics gained since he thoughts he was allowing his hand to drop with gravity made him any longer?

 

I don't doubt the finding of science, I just doubt that they havwe much to do with performing on the golf course.

 

Steve

 

OMG a favorable genetic endowment? Lol

 

Let’s back away from the homosexual undertones. Haha

 

Mind out of the gutter. I meant he got half of his genes from his dad, a world class athlete and a damn fine major league ball player. That's a good place to start if you want to hit it far.

 

Steve

[wmblake2000]

Hands and arms move down as a result of one or both of the following:

Regaining flexion

Over tilting shoulders

 

...plus its been measured

 

Seems like replanting a raised lead heel should be on the list too.

 

Reading some other related WRX threads here, and while doing additional searching found this piece from Golfweek, not sure about the publishing date. Is this an accurate quote?

 

Long drive champion Monte Scheinblum says he begins his downswing with lower body movement. He shifts his weight forward and rotates his hips, but he keeps his hands soft, which he defines as allowing the hands to drop with gravity. Scheinblum says this method of achieving club head lag is beneficial for any golfer, regardless of the players swing speed.

 

Link:

https://golftips.gol...wing-20709.html

 

Lmao.

 

Well, my feel in those days was first move to dump the lag with my right hand first move down...

 

I also won a contest off the knees with all the top long drivers by a significant amount and when all the big dudes asked me how I hit it so far, my feel was the arms go up and fight gravity so I dont have to slow down to keep the club from sticking in the ground.

 

Also allowed me to hit a trick shot that some golfwrxers have seen when I hit it off my knees where the ball is above my head and the arms go up....

 

Thats all pretty much the exact opposite of that quote.

 

...and I didnt know anything about anything then. I still thought a ball went left off a side hill because the heel stuck in the ground and closed the face, a hook had top spin and the earth was flat.

 

Dump it kinda like this? ( starts the dump move at 1:35 )

 

 

This is exactly the feel/move I practice and it’s working.

[BB28403]

These genes won the British open and the API last week. Lol, talking about genes are just an excuse not to succeed .

[Jim Waldron]

Gravity effect is tiny at best.

 

A better way to understand this issue centers around how the upper arms move in the shoulder sockets during Transition.

 

Which starts with upper arms moving in the sockets a little in the backswing as right elbow folding raises the arms.

 

The question then is - does this movement in the sockets a.totally reverse itself by time of impact or b. partially reverse itself or c. zero change in the that arm/socket relationship at Top by time of impact?

 

It is "possible" to hit a golf ball well doing any of those three options, but really, really difficult to do that consistently (which is what truly matters to play great golf) using option a and c.

 

Hogan was probably closest in the history of golf to doing option c, but he was 5'7" with long arms and a very flexible body and strong core so he could be super open at impact with his hips, core and chest. His right elbow angle basically did not change from P6 to impact and he had a large left arm to chest angle at impact.

 

High cappers all do option a, and if you tell them why and how that is terrible for achieving any kind of consistently solid contact they will look at you like you are crazy. All due to the ASI stuff mainly. A lot of upper arm bone movement in the sockets is one of the number one reasons why achieving solid impact is so hard for golfers.

 

Most good players do option b. Upper arms do a slight reverse move in the sockets in Transition as the right elbow angle straightens. But at impact that upper arm/socket relationship is nowhere near what it was at Setup.

 

Gravity can play a tiny role in the movement of the upper arms in the sockets, but it is mainly overidden by the forces of the Pivot moving the entire arms Triangle down out and forward: rotation of hips, core and chest, right tilt of torso, lateral tailbone shift - all these things move the arms to P6 and later as well.

 

Not "gravity".

 

But some golfers with severe Steering Impulse have way too much tension in their arms at the Top and are basically "stuck" up there! I have worked with golfers who do this to an extreme degree, a kind of yips.

 

They need to let the tension go so that tiny motion of arms in sockets can allow the arms to move more freely.

 

They benefit from the gravity tip.

[TTGolf77]

These genes won the British open and the API last week. Lol, talking about genes are just an excuse not to succeed .

 

His brother has won multiple times on the European tour...

[BB28403]

These genes won the British open and the API last week. Lol, talking about genes are just an excuse not to succeed .

 

His brother has won multiple times on the European tour...

 

Still, excuses are silly. Just go win

[dj*]

Would be great to see Frozen Divots, from the other gravity thread who seems to know his material, debate here a few PhDs claiming to know what's up as it relates to this thread, and since physics is not a settled matter yet, who knows. Someone hook those PhDs and Frozen up here on WRX here for a little chat. Who can make that happen.

[Krt22]

Who says the physics isn't settled? You?

[Fort Worth Pro]

Who says the physics isn't settled? You?

 

Physics is settled. The argument about the forces and torques in the golf swing are not. Michael Jacobs released his long awaited book last week. Conversation and discussion is ongoing.