Where are all the 2 woods?

Pepperturbo · September 11, 2019

> @Myherobobhope said:

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> > > > OEM's quit making 2 wood drivers (12'-14') opting to make 12'-14' strong 3 wood's instead, which took off on tour.

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> > > Yeah, it's a weird niche. I haven't loved the new fairway woods i've tried, but have a Hogan in route... will be curious to see if it scratches this particular itch.

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> > Yep weird... Except for Phil.M, tour pros haven't used 2 wood drivers in years. If I recall Callaway makes them. But if nobody wants it on tour OEM's figure consumers won't buy them. Titleist makes a TS2 even old 917D2 in 12* loft. Using sleeve adjustment and keeping the head off the ground and square, I think it could be as much as 14*. Only it's not a small head.

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> I've contemplated this route... buy a popular head in 12 degrees or so and then grab a 3 wood shaft for it... It's not a bad strategy.

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> The original one by TM basically fits the bill of what I'm looking for... I didn't love it when I demoed it, but didn't get to hit it outside. I think TEE makes something in line with a 2 wood. There are some options... some obscure, some older but popular.

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> I'm not spending money on this particular experiment this year, and my revisit next year and see if there are some added options.

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> I do find it interesting that there aren't many 300cc clubs on the market... It makes me wonder why bigger three woods aren't more popular. Maybe it's just an overall sizing issue... I don't know!

As I see it, we have 460cc driver heads because average Joe golfer struggles to hit small-headed drivers and wants forgiveness because he's too lazy to practice or take lessons. The reason irons heads have gotten larger, stronger lofts and more forgiving.

Titleist made a smaller UI head for the tour and better Ams and a larger more forgiving UI head for average Joe. Trying to get joe golfer to snuggle up to a 300cc driver head would be fruitless, as that size has limited forgiveness.

dwboston · September 11, 2019

In my younger days I had a steel-shafted Callaway Warbird 2-wood that I used as a driver and off the deck at times - that club was an absolute cannon. The head got damaged when my bag fell off a cart and I couldn't find a replacement at the time.

Recently I've gone back to a Titleist 915 D2 12* head that I bought as an experiment (and for a song) a few years ago. For whatever reason I can hit this head more consistently near the center of the face than any driver I've ever owned. I've got a GD AD TP-6S shaft in it playing at 44" and it's really good. When I bought it I was willing to give up a few yards for more fairways, but when my swing is working I can get it out there pretty well. During a tournament recently I was made fun of when another player saw I was playing a 12* "driver" - I was asked if "it's even a driver at that point?" I don't care if it's a driver or 2-wood if I keep hitting it well.

Myherobobhope · September 11, 2019

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @Myherobobhope said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > @Myherobobhope said:

> > > > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > > OEM's quit making 2 wood drivers (12'-14') opting to make 12'-14' strong 3 wood's instead, which took off on tour.

> > > >

> > > > Yeah, it's a weird niche. I haven't loved the new fairway woods i've tried, but have a Hogan in route... will be curious to see if it scratches this particular itch.

> > >

> > > Yep weird... Except for Phil.M, tour pros haven't used 2 wood drivers in years. If I recall Callaway makes them. But if nobody wants it on tour OEM's figure consumers won't buy them. Titleist makes a TS2 even old 917D2 in 12* loft. Using sleeve adjustment and keeping the head off the ground and square, I think it could be as much as 14*. Only it's not a small head.

> >

> > I've contemplated this route... buy a popular head in 12 degrees or so and then grab a 3 wood shaft for it... It's not a bad strategy.

> >

> > The original one by TM basically fits the bill of what I'm looking for... I didn't love it when I demoed it, but didn't get to hit it outside. I think TEE makes something in line with a 2 wood. There are some options... some obscure, some older but popular.

> >

> > I'm not spending money on this particular experiment this year, and my revisit next year and see if there are some added options.

> >

> > I do find it interesting that there aren't many 300cc clubs on the market... It makes me wonder why bigger three woods aren't more popular. Maybe it's just an overall sizing issue... I don't know!

>

> As I see it, we have 460cc driver heads because average Joe golfer struggles to hit small-headed drivers and wants forgiveness because he's too lazy to practice or take lessons. The reason irons heads have gotten larger, stronger lofts and more forgiving.

>

> Titleist made a smaller UI head for the tour and better Ams and a larger more forgiving UI head for average Joe. Trying to get joe golfer to snuggle up to a 300cc driver head would be fruitless, as that size has limited forgiveness.

I agree with everything here... I am just saying it's odd they haven't made a bigger three wood head, but maybe turf interaction demands a certain size... Calloway has the 3 deep, so I guess it's been tried and didn't sell! Oh well.