Another Sprinklers Close to Green - Relief?

[Mr. Bean]

48 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Are we not discussing a Local Rule? In our case it is to prevent players relief being a drop/place on the green. 
 

 

Dropping on the green when taking relief from off the green is clearly forbidden in the Rules. What is the questionable part in the mentioned LR is that dropping from rough to fringe would not be allowed and IMO that cannot be as rough, fairway and fringe are all part of the General Area.

[Mr. Bean]

1 minute ago, sui generis said:

 

It's right there as a Committee option in F-5.

 

No, it is not. 

[sui generis]

1 minute ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

No, it is not. 

 

You are wrong.

[Mr. Bean]

Just now, sui generis said:

 

You are wrong.

 

Try to keep up with the conversation, Sui...

 

The Committee option is to limit the INVOKING of the LR in question. It DOES NOT say that if F-5 is in force you are not allowed to drop from rough to fringe. That is what we, well at least the rest of us, are talking about.

[Sawgrass]

3 hours ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

My take on this is that such a limitation is not according to the Rules as there is no distinction in the Rules between fringe and rough.

Bean, life would be so much easier if you admitted you were wrong.  Sui showed you a situation where there is a "distinction in the Rules between fringe and rough."  Here it is, on his behalf:

 

"The Committee may limit such relief to certain situations, such as only for particular holes or obstructions, or only when the ball and the obstruction are in part of the general area cut to fairway height or less."

 

That is a definitive distinction between the rough and the fringe.

 

 

 

[Sawgrass]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Dropping on the green when taking relief from off the green is clearly forbidden in the Rules. 

Wrong again.  If your ball is in a PA, and one of the relief options has the relief area include part of the green, you may take relief by dropping on the green.  17.1d(3) for example.

[sui generis]

1 minute ago, Sawgrass said:

Wrong again.  If your ball is in a PA, and one of the relief options has the relief area include part of the green, you may take relief by dropping on the green.  17.1d(3) for example.

 

I've found that nobody much cares about how much the referee knows about the Rules. However, they really, really care when the referee leads others astray. If the referee mounts the soapbox, they better be right. 😉

[Mr. Bean]

19 hours ago, Sawgrass said:

Wrong again.  If your ball is in a PA, and one of the relief options has the relief area include part of the green, you may take relief by dropping on the green.  17.1d(3) for example.

 

I bet you are proud of yourself taking the discussion away from the issue at hand. Had you bothered to refrain yourself within the concept you would not have thrown in such a comment not only having nothing to do with my original comment but only having the purpose of trying to insult me.

 

The issue was about taking a free relief from an immovable obstruction by the putting green and what the LR F-5 allows and does not allow. Somehow you took that out of the context and for two possible reasons: for an insult or being plain stupid.

 

Grow up, Sawgrass!

Edited January 24, 2021 by Mr. Bean

[Mr. Bean]

19 hours ago, sui generis said:

 

I've found that nobody much cares about how much the referee knows about the Rules. However, they really, really care when the referee leads others astray. If the referee mounts the soapbox, they better be right. 😉

 

Nice, Sui. You were completely in the woods and now you do not have the decency to admit it. Well done.

[Mr. Bean]

20 hours ago, Sawgrass said:

Bean, life would be so much easier if you admitted you were wrong.  Sui showed you a situation where there is a "distinction in the Rules between fringe and rough."  Here it is, on his behalf:

 

"The Committee may limit such relief to certain situations, such as only for particular holes or obstructions, or only when the ball and the obstruction are in part of the general area cut to fairway height or less."

 

That is a definitive distinction between the rough and the fringe.

 

 

 

 

So, do show me the text in the Rules where the Committee may restrict the dropping area not to be of different height of cut. That is what this discussion has been all about. But of course you could not understand that as you did not read all the posts but decided to attack against me. Pathetic.

 

I am waiting for the text...

[Sawgrass]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

I bet you are proud of yourself taking the discussion away from the issue at hand. Had you bothered to refrain yourself within the concept you would not have thrown in such a comment not only having nothing to do with my original comment but only having the purpose of trying to insult me.

 

The issue was about taking a free relief from an immovable obstruction by the putting green and what the LR F-5 allows and does not allow. Somehow you took that out of the context and for two possible reasons: for an insult of being plain stupid.

 

Grow up, Sawgrass!

I'll tell you what:  Stop saying things that are untrue and I'll stop correcting you.

 

And by the way, I don't think pointing out your errors is insulting you.  Though I acknowledge that you seem to take it that way.  

[Mr. Bean]

Just now, Sawgrass said:

I'll tell you what:  Stop saying things that are untrue and I'll stop correcting you.

 

And by the way, I don't think pointing out your errors is insulting you.  Though I acknowledge that you seem to take it that way.  

 

Still waiting for the text... or can't you find any..?

[Mr. Bean]

3 hours ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

So, do show me the text in the Rules where the Committee may restrict the dropping area not to be of different height of cut. That is what this discussion has been all about. But of course you could not understand that as you did not read all the posts but decided to attack against me. Pathetic.

 

I am waiting for the text...

 

Have to tuck in now but expect to see that text by morning, Sawgrass.

[Newby]

Why do some people insist on being objectionable and seemingly believe that every disagreement is an insult? Apart from anything else it is very boring and rarely educational.

[Colin L]

1 hour ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Have to tuck in now but expect to see that text by morning, Sawgrass.

 

I hope a good night's sleep will work its magic and you will waken in a sunny mood, smiling benevolently upon the world.  😇

 

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Colin L