KBS Tour Lite vs Nippon Modus 105

[Pasatiempo]

More difficult for me recently to elevate mid, long irons and hit my std distance numbers with Dynamic Gold S300 that I’ve been playing 40+ yrs.  Trying to decide between these lighter weight steel shafts in a new set of Srixon ZX7 irons. Any thoughts appreciated.  My swing speed with a 7i is around 80 mph, smooth tempo, hit the 7i around 145-155.  Both companies make great shafts.  Hard to find ZX7 LH demo.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Pasatiempo

[elwhippy]

Nippon will feel smoother. KBS will fly higher. Get a proper fitting and also try the DG105 in regular. 

[Maluka]

Ive got about the same swing speed.

I’ve got dg105 regular in an old set of Ben hogans and kbs tour lite in stiff in a set of pxg. For me they feel quite similar, both feel stable and I like them both.  Modus 105 I’ve only hit a few times and the profile doesn’t suit me.

 

[055]

What about the Elevate 95's?

[third-times-a-charm]

I moved from modus 105 to dg105 and it was night and day in how much better the dg worked for me.

[mitchdoc]

Hope someone can help. I ordered some PXG irons with elevate tour shafts in stiff. They way 117 grams. They supposedly play similar to the lz shafts.

My current irons have project x lz 5.5 at 115 grams.

 

Am 54 years old. 7 irons ss in the low 80s. Carry my 921 HMP about 160-165 total 170.

Thinking maybe it's time to look at lighter shaft. Want something that will be stable but give me a touch more launch and spin than my current setup. I still have time to change my order.

 

The no upcharge options are the KBS Tour lite I think in stiff are 100grams, the elevate 95. Or in graphite the MMT 80.

 

Wondering which one would be most stable while still giving the launch and spin I look for.

 

 

[Pasatiempo]

Thanks for the responses.  I’ve tried DG 105 R in a set thinking it would be the logical replacement for standard DG S300 and it felt ok but ball flight was again not high enough.  KBS rep was very helpful and recommended KBS Lite in stiff.

[Pastit]

42 minutes ago, mitchdoc said:

Hope someone can help. I ordered some PXG irons with elevate tour shafts in stiff. They way 117 grams. They supposedly play similar to the lz shafts.

My current irons have project x lz 5.5 at 115 grams.

 

Am 54 years old. 7 irons ss in the low 80s. Carry my 921 HMP about 160-165 total 170.

Thinking maybe it's time to look at lighter shaft. Want something that will be stable but give me a touch more launch and spin than my current setup. I still have time to change my order.

 

The no upcharge options are the KBS Tour lite I think in stiff are 100grams, the elevate 95. Or in graphite the MMT 80.

 

Wondering which one would be most stable while still giving the launch and spin I look for.

 

 

You may be looking at too stiff a flex IMO. I took the same route and found the old PX PXI 5.5 way better. I think you’ll find there’s a replacement model but there are still some PXI 5.0 sets about. 

[puttingmatt]

I have used the Modus 105 in stiff flex for years, in several different sets of irons,, great shafts.

But, as with all shafts you will have to try them.  Get fit and try them.  You will adjust quickly from the the heavier DG 300's.

[Pasatiempo]

Thanks.  My hesitation with Modus 105 is “Tour” meaning these are played on Champions Tour, other tours and maybe promote a lower flight.  I’ll try to find a place to demo in a similar club head.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

2 hours ago, Pasatiempo said:

Thanks for the responses.  I’ve tried DG 105 R in a set thinking it would be the logical replacement for standard DG S300 and it felt ok but ball flight was again not high enough.  KBS rep was very helpful and recommended KBS Lite in stiff.

I just was fit on the MIzuno DNA Shaft optimizers for the 923 Hot Metals.  
 

Your original post of Modus 105 Regular  and KBS Tour Lite Stiff were the top two choices both at 4.9 matches.  
 

I went with the KBS as the 5 less grams may not be huge but over 18 holes they may add up.    I have played Modus 105 before and liked them. Also played the previous KBS Tour 90 and loved it.  
 

I think the higher launch of the KBS along with the Hot Metal HL irons will give me a nice high flight.   

[Pasatiempo]

What was your swing speed?  KBS recommends 80-85 mph as X flex for the Tour Lite.  Stiff is enough for me.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

37 minutes ago, Pasatiempo said:

What was your swing speed?  KBS recommends 80-85 mph as X flex for the Tour Lite.  Stiff is enough for me.

73 on swing speed.  But a bit of a an early releases probably ups my flex/weight a bit over what that SS would normally call for.  It was the same thing in my driver fitting with an 85 mph swing soeed resulting in a HZRDUS 6.0 Red CB shaft. 

[dlow206]

I cannot hit the Modus 105 in any flex. I don’t even understand it but its always 15 yards shorter and poor strikes.

 

I get along with 950gh, dg95, etc., but not at all with Modus 105. Think i would quit golf if my only choice was to play modus 105, i just cant get along with them. And its not mental, was given one blind during a fitting and after a few shots, i asked the fitter what the hell he gave me. Modus 105

Edited October 1, 2022 by dlow206

[mitchdoc]

Hot into simulator at golf shop don't know my swing speed but ball speed with 7 iron was around 115-118 with high of 121 and low of 113 on Mishits.

 

Not sure what swing spoed this was.

 

Would kbs tour lite in stiff be too soft? Felt good in store but hard to tell dispersion in store though it seemed pretty good. And better than elevate 95.

[mitchdoc]

5 hours ago, Pastit said:

You may be looking at too stiff a flex IMO. I took the same route and found the old PX PXI 5.5 way better. I think you’ll find there’s a replacement model but there are still some PXI 5.0 sets about. 

Which shaft too stiff the elevate tour?

 

What about the tour lite kbs shaft?

Simulator today was seeing most shots in the 115-120 ball speed with 7 iron jpx forged with kbs tour lite shaft.

 

Srixon zx7 with modus tour  120 was maybe 114-118.

Both in stiff

[mitchdoc]

2 hours ago, Pasatiempo said:

What was your swing speed?  KBS recommends 80-85 mph as X flex for the Tour Lite.  Stiff is enough for me.

Only know ball speed about 117-118 average 121 max.

[TwistedSister]

I would recommend  Recoils. 

[mitchdoc]

5 minutes ago, TwistedSister said:

I would recommend  Recoils. 

I'm trying to stay in the no upcharge offerings. For graphite that means either MMT 80

Recoil dart 75 which seems light

[TwistedSister]

4 minutes ago, mitchdoc said:

I'm trying to stay in the no upcharge offerings. For graphite that means either MMT 80

Recoil dart 75 which seems light

The difference is like 13 bucks per right? Well worth it. 

[Carolina Golfer 2]

3 minutes ago, mitchdoc said:

I'm trying to stay in the no upcharge offerings. For graphite that means either MMT 80

Recoil dart 75 which seems light

Just re-reading your original post.  
 

personally I think the chsnge from 115 to a MMT 70 g is an awfully big adjustment. 
 

You have plenty enough speed for 100g plus.  I really like the KBS Tour Lite in Stilff that I chose.  They are 98G according to my Mizuno custom sheet.  

[mitchdoc]

1 minute ago, TwistedSister said:

The difference is like 13 bucks per right? Well worth it. 

More like 50$ per here in Canada 

[mitchdoc]

2 minutes ago, TwistedSister said:

The difference is like 13 bucks per right? Well worth it. 

 

1 minute ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

Just re-reading your original post.  
 

personally I think the chsnge from 115 to a MMT 70 g is an awfully big adjustment. 
 

You have plenty enough speed for 100g plus.  I really like the KBS Tour Lite in Stilff that I chose.  They are 98G according to my Mizuno custom sheet.  

I am actually wondering if my swing speed is too much for them. For most kbs irons they say stiff is for 79-85 mph.

For tour lite they say 78-81. I think a 118 ball speed with 7 iron is probably 83+

[mitchdoc]

Or do I give the elevate tour a go? Unfortunately true temper sells them without VSS now. Could only try the 95 and it felt a bit harsh compared to with a vss.

The KBS felt good.

My only worry is how dispersion will be. It want excessively high. Or spinny.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

2 minutes ago, mitchdoc said:

Or do I give the elevate tour a go? Unfortunately true temper sells them without VSS now. Could only try the 95 and it felt a bit harsh compared to with a vss.

The KBS felt good.

My only worry is how dispersion will be. It want excessively high. Or spinny.

Not to muddy the waters. And I certainly understand budgets.  But just based on what your saying and the numbers you posted.  I think you would really love Steelfiber 95.   I had always assumed they were too harsh for my swing.   But my fitting with them at PXG blew me away.  The feel was great.  But the accuracy (Dispersion circle) was the tightest I have ever had in any fitting. 
 

I’m still playing them kn my Gen5 and love them. I went 80g but sound like 95 would be more your fit.   
 

agsin this is all just opinion and certainly no idea of your swing profile.  There is more than just SS that goes into a fit. 

[Pasatiempo]

I saw a test on TXG of 4 or 5 lightweight steel shafts.  The numbers were very close.  Probably comes down to feel and cost.

[dlow206]

13 minutes ago, mitchdoc said:

 

I am actually wondering if my swing speed is too much for them. For most kbs irons they say stiff is for 79-85 mph.

For tour lite they say 78-81. I think a 118 ball speed with 7 iron is probably 83+

Likely more than 83+. What’s your typical carry? Im at 85mph 7 iron based on my fitting, about 153 carry. Didn’t have the greatest strikes so probably could go a few yards further. But i don’t get up to 120 ballspeed ever though with a 7 iron.

[mitchdoc]

17 minutes ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

Not to muddy the waters. And I certainly understand budgets.  But just based on what your saying and the numbers you posted.  I think you would really love Steelfiber 95.   I had always assumed they were too harsh for my swing.   But my fitting with them at PXG blew me away.  The feel was great.  But the accuracy (Dispersion circle) was the tightest I have ever had in any fitting. 
 

I’m still playing them kn my Gen5 and love them. I went 80g but sound like 95 would be more your fit.   
 

agsin this is all just opinion and certainly no idea of your swing profile.  There is more than just SS that goes into a fit. 

Unfortunately I am not within a 8 hour drive of a pxg fitter.

I ahve always done well with 115 gram shafts but think it's time for lighter. I really enjoyed hitting the KBS tour lite in a jpx forged head of same loft as the pxg I ordered. Saw 18 to 20* launch. Spin was no less than modus 120 and maybe few hundred more.

Dispersion into screen seemed good but who knows with a simulator. Am leaning that way. Don't have agressive swing. I tend to be low spin.

Do you think it will be too soft?

[mitchdoc]

16 minutes ago, Pasatiempo said:

I saw a test on TXG of 4 or 5 lightweight steel shafts.  The numbers were very close.  Probably comes down to feel and cost.

Link please? I watched a video today on today's golfer comparing all of the lbs shafts and surpsingly not much difference other than perhaps the feel for him but the numbers seems consistent.

[mitchdoc]

14 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Likely more than 83+. What’s your typical carry? Im at 85mph 7 iron based on my fitting, about 153 carry. Didn’t have the greatest strikes so probably could go a few yards further. But i don’t get up to 120 ballspeed ever though with a 7 iron.

Well with my HMP Mizuno which is 29* 7 iron Px lz 5.5  I  carry 160-165 on average in real life. Longer in simulator.

Srixon zx7 modus 120 32* about 5 yards less.

But don't get enough spin and want a bit more height.