Driver SS 107 ball Plus/Minus??

[grochol17]

A bunch of different thoughts for you...

 

First, I was looking at info about the SC300i launch monitor and their paperwork says that spin is only available in the app.  In addition, they only give values for the accuracy of ball speed and total distance.  This makes me think that they are guessing at what the spin rate should be based on other data points, rather than measuring it directly.  So take the spin values you're getting with a big grain of salt. 

 

Second, your shaft is *not* bending forward at impact.  What you are seeing is the well known "rolling shutter" effect... the digital array on a camera is read out from one side to another (I think top down is typical) rather than all at once.  So in the case of club traveling at high speed, as the readout works from your hands down to the clubhead the club is continuing to move and this makes the shaft look like it is bending forward. 

 

Third, based on the video it looks like you have an early release and maybe flip a bit at impact.  The early release means that pretty much no matter what shaft you use, it is going to be pretty straight at impact, so changing shaft profiles will not affect your launch and spin (with a caveat... see below).

 

What looks to me like a flip at the bottom (and note that I'm not a swing instructor, but have fought a similar move in my own swing) would make you present lots of dynamic loft at impact, resulting in high launch and spin.  (side note... it's hard to tell from the video, but it looks like you have it teed up really high, so maybe you're trying too hard to swing up on the ball?)  Changing shafts *might* help with the flip if the problem is caused by the shaft not giving you the right feel.  For some people (myself included) the wrong shaft weight or profile can cause them to do funky things with their swing to get the feel they are looking for.  You mention a few different shafts that you have and I'm not too familiar with them, but it seems like they are all pretty similar (low/low) profiles.  If you like to experiment on your own, I'd suggest trying to get something mid/mid like a Diamana Blue.  You mention having played baseball, so maybe your driver is too light?  If you have a roll of lead tape you can follow along with Howard's DIY driver fitting (https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/960350-diy-driver-tune-up-diy-fitting/) to see if a heavier shaft or higher swing weight might be better for you. 

 

Lastly, as others have mentioned, the ball isn't going to fix the issue.  The golf ball comparison that My Golf Spy did a couple of years ago suggests that you might drop 200-300 rpms with your driver if you went to a softer ball like the Z Star or Q Star Tour, but you're not going to go from 3700 to 2200 with a ball change. 

 

 

[N.Lesyshen]

25 minutes ago, grochol17 said:

A bunch of different thoughts for you...

 

First, I was looking at info about the SC300i launch monitor and their paperwork says that spin is only available in the app.  In addition, they only give values for the accuracy of ball speed and total distance.  This makes me think that they are guessing at what the spin rate should be based on other data points, rather than measuring it directly.  So take the spin values you're getting with a big grain of salt. 

 

Second, your shaft is *not* bending forward at impact.  What you are seeing is the well known "rolling shutter" effect... the digital array on a camera is read out from one side to another (I think top down is typical) rather than all at once.  So in the case of club traveling at high speed, as the readout works from your hands down to the clubhead the club is continuing to move and this makes the shaft look like it is bending forward. 

 

Third, based on the video it looks like you have an early release and maybe flip a bit at impact.  The early release means that pretty much no matter what shaft you use, it is going to be pretty straight at impact, so changing shaft profiles will not affect your launch and spin (with a caveat... see below).

 

What looks to me like a flip at the bottom (and note that I'm not a swing instructor, but have fought a similar move in my own swing) would make you present lots of dynamic loft at impact, resulting in high launch and spin.  (side note... it's hard to tell from the video, but it looks like you have it teed up really high, so maybe you're trying too hard to swing up on the ball?)  Changing shafts *might* help with the flip if the problem is caused by the shaft not giving you the right feel.  For some people (myself included) the wrong shaft weight or profile can cause them to do funky things with their swing to get the feel they are looking for.  You mention a few different shafts that you have and I'm not too familiar with them, but it seems like they are all pretty similar (low/low) profiles.  If you like to experiment on your own, I'd suggest trying to get something mid/mid like a Diamana Blue.  You mention having played baseball, so maybe your driver is too light?  If you have a roll of lead tape you can follow along with Howard's DIY driver fitting (https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/960350-diy-driver-tune-up-diy-fitting/) to see if a heavier shaft or higher swing weight might be better for you. 

 

Lastly, as others have mentioned, the ball isn't going to fix the issue.  The golf ball comparison that My Golf Spy did a couple of years ago suggests that you might drop 200-300 rpms with your driver if you went to a softer ball like the Z Star or Q Star Tour, but you're not going to go from 3700 to 2200 with a ball change. 

 

 

Finally some actual insight I was looking for on my swing and what could be happening. You made few good points I was looking for and I know 100% I have wrist flip at impact cause that's why my missed shots are always left if my timing is off. In slow motion baseball and golf swing I see my wrists roll over and nothing I do can stop it. Yes most shafts I have are Low/Low cause I have always read hard transition swingers should have low/low shafts especially when I know I have tons of spin. In the last 30 years of playing I usually airmail everyone I play against but but never rolls out so knew I needed to get a LM and see my numbers. All these thoughts now make me believe I should get a R10 atleast so I can use the metal dots plus get Left and right dispersion, Attack angle and path which is only way to see what I'm doing. Maybe this machine is doing more harm than good giving (my swing technique) false readouts.

Just watched again in slow motion and you are right I don't have enough Lag and hands don't go past ball before release. I'm going to watch some videos to see how I can correct

Edited June 6, 2023 by N.Lesyshen

[N.Lesyshen]

Tried couple things I watched to produce lag and get hands ahead of driver but nothing works. No matter if I even put driver in my 7 iron position a can't stop releasing club before hands pass ball and best I do is always 15-18* with few drivers at 7* loft.

I have no issues with hitting my irons and wedges with less loft than the club is and my hands are ahead but can't do that with my drivers. Unless I add 50 grams head weight 🤣🤣🤣.

Even tried my R9 TP with 16gr toe and 14gr heel but still release and flip wrists plus my 107-111mph speeds drop to 99-100mph

[N.Lesyshen]

On 6/5/2023 at 3:40 PM, dfeldss said:

 

If you want to spend a bunch of money on shafts, then by all means do it. I like trying equipment as much as the next guy.

 

I'm just saying there's a better (and cheaper!) approach to changing launch than equipment. Shafts don't change launch that much generally. Like i said, it's more to really dial it into a window

So just found this where it says soft tip shafts are made for people with early release and since I am one of those players the stiff tip shafts I have been using for years are wrong and thus why I have high Dynamic loft and high spin. So if I look at some stiff/Extra stiff shafts with soft tips I could possibly correct those 2 issues with current swing.

https://wishongolf.com/2013/07/17/tip-soft-shaft-what-does-it-mean-for-your-swing/

[grochol17]

17 hours ago, N.Lesyshen said:

So just found this where it says soft tip shafts are made for people with early release and since I am one of those players the stiff tip shafts I have been using for years are wrong and thus why I have high Dynamic loft and high spin. So if I look at some stiff/Extra stiff shafts with soft tips I could possibly correct those 2 issues with current swing.

https://wishongolf.com/2013/07/17/tip-soft-shaft-what-does-it-mean-for-your-swing/

 

A discussion about shafts should definitely go in the WRX Club Techs section since you'll likely get a lot of good help there.  That being said, I think you're over interpreting the post you linked... nowhere does it say that a soft tip will bring down launch and spin.  It just says that certain players typically work better with a certain tip stiffness.  But, importantly, he says typically (not definitively) because shafts are so much about feel that there are a ton of exceptions to the rule when it comes to what fits who.  So going soft tip for someone with an early release is probably his starting point when fitting someone, but he would definitely let the results dictate the final fit.

[hammergolf]

On 6/6/2023 at 12:49 PM, N.Lesyshen said:

Tried couple things I watched to produce lag and get hands ahead of driver but nothing works. No matter if I even put driver in my 7 iron position a can't stop releasing club before hands pass ball and best I do is always 15-18* with few drivers at 7* loft.

I have no issues with hitting my irons and wedges with less loft than the club is and my hands are ahead but can't do that with my drivers. Unless I add 50 grams head weight 🤣🤣🤣.

Even tried my R9 TP with 16gr toe and 14gr heel but still release and flip wrists plus my 107-111mph speeds drop to 99-100mph

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but you are guessing on what the club is doing and what shaft you need. Don’t assume a low/low shaft is what you need. There are soooooooo many variables that go into fitting. Drive the 3 hours and go get fit on a quad or trackman so you can see what you clubhead is actually doing and see what a shaft or ball MIGHT do to help it.

[njmack]

On 6/6/2023 at 11:20 AM, grochol17 said:

First, I was looking at info about the SC300i launch monitor and their paperwork says that spin is only available in the app.  In addition, they only give values for the accuracy of ball speed and total distance.  This makes me think that they are guessing at what the spin rate should be based on other data points, rather than measuring it directly.  So take the spin values you're getting with a big grain of salt. 

 

I would agree with this--I used to have an SC300i. Based on Trackman sessions/fittings, my driver spin lives around 2500 or so, the 300i almost always overshot that by 500+ RPMs. Even on a full range where I could see ball flight, I could tell I was not spinning it that much.

 

Those units--the R10 included--do quite a good job of measuring ballspeed/SS/launch, but they aren't measuring spin in the same way that TM/Foresight, etc. are. They're more or less letting an algo calculate spin based on BS/SS/launch. Ultimately, I found that I was chasing a ghost by trying to optimize launch numbers based on 300i data. Junk in, junk out, right?

 

But from the numbers you shared, I don't think you are terribly far off from playable launch conditions--assuming the LM spin data is overshooting. Launch and apex do look high, though. When you play at a course or go to a range, do those LM numbers square with what you see on full ball flight? If so, I'd agree with others: it's delivery that you should be looking at.

 

I'd say you could save yourself a lot of time/money experimenting with different variables by doing a video lesson with Monte--I was really shocked at smooth that whole experience was. Recorded my swing a couple times, told him what I was working on, received video feedback in a couple of days with some drills and pointers re: what he saw in my swing that needed addressing. Easily the best ~$100 I've spent on my game in the last couple yrs.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by njmack