New AMG shaft lean video

[MPStrat]

Just now, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

Agree to disagree on most of that but I don’t think it’s particularly relevant.  
 

Trying to get the arms even more behind you isn’t going to help anyone under any theory I don’t think.

Many ams get their arms behind them in the backswing and then try throw their arms back in front of their midline first move down. AMG demonstrates this problem in their video. Many who do this for a long time have to learn to stop doing that. They need to learn how to deliver the club on their trail side as opposed to the 2d illusion of bringing the hands to their midline too early. The arms need to be more behind for those players, believe it or not.

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

5 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

See below… widening the elbow and lowering the hands moves the club farther "in front" of the player.

 

 

That's not what the video says to do. Extending or widening the right elbow (righties) gets the arms back in front of the right hip. You're conflating a few things.

But dont they specifically say your right elbow should stay behind your right hip?

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

2 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

Many ams get their arms behind them in the backswing and then try throw their arms back in front of their midline first move down. AMG demonstrates this problem in their video. Many who do this for a long time have to learn to stop doing that. They need to learn how to deliver the club on their trail side as opposed to the 2d illusion of bringing the hands to their midline too early. The arms need to be more behind for those players, believe it or not.

I guess I would just need to see a swing to see the type of swing you are talking about.  

[PracticeSwinger]

9 hours ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

I guess I would just need to see a swing to see the type of swing you are talking about.  

@MPStrat @iacas … would this swing qualify?
 

As an arms backswing overrun type that creates a need for a stall flip save (even though it seems I’m hitting it from the trail side and have a bit of shaft lean)… I’m playing decent golf, but as you can imagine that 3cap is dependent of the timing aspect for that day, and obviously looking to change/clean a few things to tighten things up

 

 

 

Edited June 6, 2023 by Varry_Hardon

[MPStrat]

This would not be an example example of what I’m talking about. 

[iacas]

12 hours ago, Varry_Hardon said:

would this swing qualify?

 

I'm happy to take a look but I forget what we're talking about specifically. 😄 

 

Your arms don't get behind you at all. I think you could gain some speed if you used your right arm a bit earlier, but… I played the videos twice at this point. I'm thrown for a loop today with all this LIV/PGA Tour crap. 😛

[PracticeSwinger]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

 

I'm happy to take a look but I forget what we're talking about specifically. 😄 

 

Your arms don't get behind you at all. I think you could gain some speed if you used your right arm a bit earlier, but… I played the videos twice at this point. I'm thrown for a loop today with all this LIV/PGA Tour crap. 😛

Haha that’s what I said in the PGA/LIV thread : you go into a meeting hoping to read some Instructions & Academy gold nuggets coming back, only to find out that the whole golf world has exploded.

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

15 hours ago, Varry_Hardon said:

@MPStrat @iacas … would this swing qualify?
 

As an arms backswing overrun type that creates a need for a stall flip save (even though it seems I’m hitting it from the trail side and have a bit of shaft lean)… I’m playing decent golf, but as you can imagine that 3cap is dependent of the timing aspect for that day, and obviously looking to change/clean a few things to tighten things up

 

 

 

Didn’t ask me but… you’ve got a great swing…. The last thing you need to do is slow your arms down.  You look like most pros at p6.

Edited June 7, 2023 by TrueBlue4Lyfe

[PracticeSwinger]

16 minutes ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

Didn’t ask me but… you’ve got a great swing…. The last thing you need to do is slow your arms down.  You look like most pros at p6.

Thanks. It was implied that I was asking you by quoting your last reply, glad you did. As mentioned, I’m looking for more consistency (as everyone is) / less of a timing release. Work in progress 

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

15 minutes ago, Varry_Hardon said:

Thanks. It was implied that I was asking you by quoting your last reply, glad you did. As mentioned, I’m looking for more consistency (as everyone is) / less of a timing release. Work in progress 

Couldn’t quite see your impact position so don’t know how much room you even have to improve but it’s all about learning to use bigger muscles/body parts to square the club once you get to your level.  Just my opinion of course.
 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

19 hours ago, Varry_Hardon said:

@MPStrat @iacas … would this swing qualify?
 

As an arms backswing overrun type that creates a need for a stall flip save (even though it seems I’m hitting it from the trail side and have a bit of shaft lean)… I’m playing decent golf, but as you can imagine that 3cap is dependent of the timing aspect for that day, and obviously looking to change/clean a few things to tighten things up

 

 

 

Your right elbow is too far in front at the top.  Good swing 

[vernon]

Love the AMG videos.

 

And also enjoy the inevitable ensuing controversy.

[PracticeSwinger]

7 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Your right elbow is too far in front at the top.  Good swing 

Thanks. I took the ‘too far in front’ as too much shoulder external rotation, too soon. Correct?

 

(less of it would help with depth at the top and the shallowing motion in transition)

[Nard_S]

All I pretty much work on is this. Made the mistake of focusing on being too in front with hands and not enough "get them lower". Hands going down outer leg seam is my visualization. It's quite different from what I 'm used to. It's a slow brew to get it constant.

[jonsnow]

On 6/6/2023 at 6:45 AM, Varry_Hardon said:

@MPStrat @iacas … would this swing qualify?
 

As an arms backswing overrun type that creates a need for a stall flip save (even though it seems I’m hitting it from the trail side and have a bit of shaft lean)… I’m playing decent golf, but as you can imagine that 3cap is dependent of the timing aspect for that day, and obviously looking to change/clean a few things to tighten things up

 

 

 

Love your swing...and haircut. I've got the same one. Haircut, not swing.

[PracticeSwinger]

1 hour ago, jonsnow said:

Love your swing...and haircut. I've got the same one. Haircut, not swing.

Haha! that's the only one that suits me these days. Hoping it's not that much of a Stewart Cink vibe, people at work think I like to go cycling, sure.

[jonsnow]

18 minutes ago, Varry_Hardon said:

Haha! that's the only one that suits me these days. Hoping it's not that much of a Stewart Cink vibe, people at work think I like to go cycling, sure.

I've gone to the full cover Shelta hat this year.

[Sean124]

1 hour ago, jonsnow said:

I've gone to the full cover Shelta hat this year.

I just ordered the Shelta Land Shark when it hit 105 degrees here the other day. My old army boonie hat doesn’t breathe worth a damn. 

[Jeselnik]

On 6/5/2023 at 10:26 PM, GolfTurkey said:

 

I think this is a general symptom of YouTube.

 

IMO the guys that figured out how to work the system re. clickbait titles, engine optimisation etc. early on in the game grew their channels at a far greater rate than perhaps their content merited, and now everyone else is forced to do the same just to get any traction.

I really appreciate some of the 3D models with data, it lifted some fog and I bet it helps others with swings under development.  I ignore 95% of the words. 
 

JNIK

[Kenjr1969]

Man, I have really started to study the golf swing over the last year or so and feel like I have learned a lot from teachers like AMG and Monte. However, I don’t think I am versed enough to get in a deep discussion like this one regarding the golf swing. What I will say is it is never as easy as the videos on instagram and You Tube make it out to be. I have been working on lowering the arms by reconnecting the upper right arm with the torso and straightening the right arm like AMG Suggests. I also have been doing what Monte talks about by accelerating the arms earlier in the downswing. The results have been mixed. I do not look like a good golfer at P6. There is improvement, though the arms are still lagging behind slightly. What I like about Monte and AMG is they do talk about the need to keep working at it. Slower swings, taking video of all my practice sessions, and drills is all part of the process of getting better. What other teachers out in YouTube/instagram land.have theories that align closely with Monte?
 

Though the access to golf swing knowledge is huge with the invention of social media, I do find that I need ear plugs for some of the pure garbage, imo, that is out there as far as instruction goes.

[Nard_S]

Having a lot more success with all this when my 1st upper body impulse (post pressure shift) is to move lead shoulder in an external direction. At top it's internal, rotate down and back towards target, use that move to initiate hand drop. Move matches what AMG says Pro's do with lead shoulder. It's crazy how much better everything works and how it compliments this topic.  Obvious this is not my normal way of doing things, feels strange and wedges are a great starter to it. Dispersion & power meet upper expectations. Driver speed matching best results in past decade. Doing range session Friday, really cannot wait.

[golfarb1]

On 6/6/2023 at 4:45 AM, Varry_Hardon said:

@MPStrat @iacas … would this swing qualify?
 

As an arms backswing overrun type that creates a need for a stall flip save (even though it seems I’m hitting it from the trail side and have a bit of shaft lean)… I’m playing decent golf, but as you can imagine that 3cap is dependent of the timing aspect for that day, and obviously looking to change/clean a few things to tighten things up

 

 

 

 

[golfarb1]

32 minutes ago, golfarb1 said:

 

A fine swing , which should be even better with some relatively small changes 

Look at the difference between your footwork and Rory’s

1. At the top

2. At impact 

3. Arms parallel into the follow through 

 

At the top weight has gone  slightly to the outside of your right foot  as indicated by the inside of your right front toe coming off of the ground 

At impact Rory has moved weight to the inside of his right foot  and outside of his left foot ,  while lifting his right heel  slightly . 
At impact your weight has moved toward your right toe because your right knee has kicked in too much . 

Post impact Rory weight has moved to the inside of his right foot and to the outside of his left foot . In the same position your weight has moved very little towards the outside of your left foot with your left heel still flat on the ground

 

You need to check your setup to make  sure that you are in balance with weight on the balls of your feet .Going back you need to maintain a little more of your right knee brace.  During the downswing into impact be more passive with right knee . Your right knee is more bent coming into impact than Rory’s 

Edited June 28, 2023 by golfarb1

[Tfb003]

1 hour ago, Nard_S said:

Having a lot more success with all this when my 1st upper body impulse (post pressure shift) is to move lead shoulder in an external direction. At top it's internal, rotate down and back towards target, use that move to initiate hand drop. Move matches what AMG says Pro's do with lead shoulder. It's crazy how much better everything works and how it compliments this topic.  Obvious this is not my normal way of doing things, feels strange and wedges are a great starter to it. Dispersion & power meet upper expectations. Driver speed matching best results in past decade. Doing range session Friday, really cannot wait.

Is this the same move as lead shoulder off the chin?

 

Interesting feel and thought but worries me that going external with lead shoulder would pull the hands out toward target line too much. This is in conjunction with delaying rotation I am assuming?

[Nard_S]

3 minutes ago, Tfb003 said:

Is this the same move as lead shoulder off the chin?

 

Interesting feel and thought but worries me that going external with lead shoulder would pull the hands out toward target line too much. This is in conjunction with delaying rotation I am assuming?

It looks the same as dropping shoulder and arms but it's not a levered move. It's a socket rotation. I was always throwing down arms and turning. Getting shoulder away from head in a levered way. Not right.  At top, if you rotate the shoulder socket, it will drop away from chin toward ground and along with it so do arms & hands. Hands stay deep.You can dry run in mirror and see hands stay back. It also pre-squares face a bit too and I was always forcing that. No need with this.

 

Disclaimer; Ducks need to be in row, everything else in window or bubble of "okay". Just saying.

 

It's a weird feel like a winding before arms go full fire. A downward pre-twist. I grooved it with wedges then moved on. Find it hardest to do with longer irons, does wonders for teed metals but implemented right it simplifies everything. It's way too good to be a fluke and it all matches what AMG says happens with most top tier swings.

[Tfb003]

45 minutes ago, Nard_S said:

It looks the same as dropping shoulder and arms but it's not a levered move. It's a socket rotation. I was always throwing down arms and turning. Getting shoulder away from head in a levered way. Not right.  At top, if you rotate the shoulder socket, it will drop away from chin toward ground and along with it so do arms & hands. Hands stay deep.You can dry run in mirror and see hands stay back. It also pre-squares face a bit too and I was always forcing that. No need with this.

 

Disclaimer; Ducks need to be in row, everything else in window or bubble of "okay". Just saying.

 

It's a weird feel like a winding before arms go full fire. A downward pre-twist. I grooved it with wedges then moved on. Find it hardest to do with longer irons, does wonders for teed metals but implemented right it simplifies everything. It's way too good to be a fluke and it all matches what AMG says happens with most top tier swings.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Is there a specific AMG video that talks about this? I know I have seen Monte discussing “touching the elbows” and bet it is similar.

[Nard_S]

44 minutes ago, Tfb003 said:

AMG video that talks about this?

So maybe actively initiating an external move just helps to accomplish the better shoulder path which leads to better things, dunno. But watch where things go after transition, doing what Pro does, cannot be accomplished by just dropping away from chin. Shoulder needs to release from it's internal state at the top. 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by Nard_S

[Kenjr1969]

 

I have played golf maybe three times over the last five years, but I used to play when I was younger and would like to pick up the game again. Anyways, I have been practicing and watching Monte’s and AMG Videos over the last 10 months. I have been working on trying to improve my P6 position along with getting some shaft lean( I know a lot of us are trying to do this). So I know P6 and impact are results of everything that happened b4 that. I have specifically been working on getting my arms moving sooner( or at least the feeling of it). Results have been so so to this point. I would appreciate any swing advice that could possibly help.

 

[Nard_S]

4 minutes ago, Kenjr1969 said:

 

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I have played golf maybe three times over the last five years, but I used to play when I was younger and would like to pick up the game again. Anyways, I have been practicing and watching Monte’s and AMG Videos over the last 10 months. I have been working on trying to improve my P6 position along with getting some shaft lean( I know a lot of us are trying to do this). So I know P6 and impact are results of everything that happened b4 that. I have specifically been working on getting my arms moving sooner( or at least the feeling of it). Results have been so so to this point. I would appreciate any swing advice that could possibly help.

 

No expert but some easy things to see. More torso and shoulder turn. Also the big thing is you move out of left tilt much too soon. Go with intent of hitting ball with back to target. More, uncomfortably more. Much of this topic is really about getting arms down proportionally faster than we perceive and doing it without crashing shoulder turn and general body rotation. It's a reset of impulses, so it takes work.

[Kenjr1969]

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