Goat swing one ball position easy peazy

[mosesgolf]

 

Maybe some of us are making it more difficult than it should be.  

[Kai Slater]

I like it. Seems basic enough for me.  Keep it simple.

[larrybud]

Ball position related to your sternum is not the same. To measure relative to your left foot is ridiculous, since it's not the left foot which solely determines the bottom of the arc.

 

[RoyalTroon]

Of course there is only one ball position, it's on the ground, unless under the rules of golf we are allowed to move it to another spot on the ground.  Then how we go about orienting to one spot is determined by how we go about it.   That's what it's all about.

[Louis_Posture]

On 7/26/2023 at 5:19 PM, mosesgolf said:

 

Maybe some of us are making it more difficult than it should be.  

Nicklaus advocates simplifying every aspect of golf swing technique.

One grip style (when standing tall hold the club as your hands/wrists are oriented when your arms hang naturally down the sides of your body).

Athletic posture including slight bend from the hips and a bit of knee flex.

One ball position (when moving from wedge thru driver the stance width increases but ball position relative to the left heel remains the same).

Turn your body around a steady head.

 

The above address technique fundamentals are what Nicklaus learned as a youngster and maintained throughout his playing career.

I expect Jack  Nicklaus  finds it amusing how complicated so many players and instructors try to make golf.

[tthomasgolfer605]

On 7/27/2023 at 9:12 AM, larrybud said:

Ball position related to your sternum is not the same. To measure relative to your left foot is ridiculous, since it's not the left foot which solely determines the bottom of the arc.

 

Yeah. What did Jack know? 🫤

[Louis_Posture]

9 hours ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

Yeah. What did Jack know? 🫤

During Jack's prime Nicklaus instructor Jack Grout had several Tour pros visit him to take lessons. However Grout's policy was to refuse instruction to a pro or amateur if that player was unwilling to adopt the grip technique he advocated. Grout believed that if he tried to work around a faulty grip it would be a waste of his time as well as the student's time.

[nitram]

By now, everyone has seen this "chart". from 5 Lessons. If it was good enough for Mr. Hogan . . .

 

 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2023 by nitram

[tthomasgolfer605]

10 hours ago, Louis_Posture said:

During Jack's prime Nicklaus instructor Jack Grout had several Tour pros visit him to take lessons. However Grout's policy was to refuse instruction to a pro or amateur if that player was unwilling to adopt the grip technique he advocated. Grout believed that if he tried to work around a faulty grip it would be a waste of his time as well as the student's time.

Nicklaus didn't need Grout around him 24/7 like most pros these days. Saw him once a year for a tune up. 

[iacas]

1 hour ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

Nicklaus didn't need Grout around him 24/7 like most pros these days. Saw him once a year for a tune up. 

 

The Tour was less competitive back then, too. Going to the bar after the round was far more common. It's more competitive now, and there's more money involved as well.

[Louis_Posture]

1 hour ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

Nicklaus didn't need Grout around him 24/7 like most pros these days. Saw him once a year for a tune up. 

Exactly right !

A truly competent instructor will teach so that his/her student is capable of making on their own the adjustments and corrections needed during or between rounds of golf.

[tthomasgolfer605]

19 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

The Tour was less competitive back then, too. Going to the bar after the round was far more common. It's more competitive now, and there's more money involved as well.

This list is rather impressive. https://ainsworthsports.com/golf_player_rankings_by_decade_1970s.htm

[iacas]

4 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

This list is rather impressive. https://ainsworthsports.com/golf_player_rankings_by_decade_1970s.htm

 

Meh. It's OT here, but golf is much more competitive now than then.

[tthomasgolfer605]

38 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

Exactly right !

A truly competent instructor will teach so that his/her student is capable of making on their own the adjustments and corrections needed during or between rounds of golf.

I've always wondered if Tiger would have shattered Jack's record early on if he didn't have a coach post Butch. 

[Louis_Posture]

47 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

I've always wondered if Tiger would have shattered Jack's record early on if he didn't have a coach post Butch. 

 

 

My guess is that had Tiger stuck with Butch he would have won 19 or 20 Majors, maybe more.

Also, the time tested and proven address technique fundamentals (grip-posture-alignment) Tiger learned as a youngster (age 4-10) from his first instructor Rudy Duran provided the foundation of Tiger's swing. 

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[Feelingofgreatness]

you can play every club one ball off your forward heel but if you change your stance width the low point of the swing changes.

 

club position should be relative to the sternum and ball should be directly in front of the club.

[Louis_Posture]

1 hour ago, Feelingofgreatness said:

you can play every club one ball off your forward heel but if you change your stance width the low point of the swing changes.

 

Yes, and this is why Nicklaus produced a descending blow with his wedges and short irons while the swings with woods impacted the ball with a more level or ascending strike. His ball position remained the same, but his stance width increased as he held longer shafted clubs.

[Louis_Posture]

4 hours ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

This list is rather impressive. https://ainsworthsports.com/golf_player_rankings_by_decade_1970s.htm

 

The leading players of the 1970's swung wooden heads with steel shafts ,  tiny size iron heads, and balata golf balls.. I believe that equipment required significantly more skill than is needed given the incredibly forgiving heads, shafts and balls that today's players use.

For example, a Tour pro in 1975 who got a little quick with his swing transition when the pressure was on would duck hook a shot into the trees or OB.

But these days a tension induced jerky transition produces a shot only 10 yards off target. The reason there are so many pros shooting low scores now is because equipment improvements have allowed a much wider range of swing types to strike consistently good shots.

[iacas]

6 hours ago, Louis_Posture said:

The leading players of the 1970's swung wooden heads with steel shafts ,  tiny size iron heads, and balata golf balls.. I believe that equipment required significantly more skill than is needed given the incredibly forgiving heads, shafts and balls that today's players use.

For example, a Tour pro in 1975 who got a little quick with his swing transition when the pressure was on would duck hook a shot into the trees or OB.

But these days a tension induced jerky transition produces a shot only 10 yards off target. The reason there are so many pros shooting low scores now is because equipment improvements have allowed a much wider range of swing types to strike consistently good shots.

 

Riiiiiight. /s

[naval2006]

7 hours ago, Louis_Posture said:

 

The leading players of the 1970's swung wooden heads with steel shafts ,  tiny size iron heads, and balata golf balls.. I believe that equipment required significantly more skill than is needed given the incredibly forgiving heads, shafts and balls that today's players use.

For example, a Tour pro in 1975 who got a little quick with his swing transition when the pressure was on would duck hook a shot into the trees or OB.

But these days a tension induced jerky transition produces a shot only 10 yards off target. The reason there are so many pros shooting low scores now is because equipment improvements have allowed a much wider range of swing types to strike consistently good shots.

I fully agree on the rhythm and timing you needed with those clubs.  A guy chopping the ball like Jon Rahm would have applied for a caddie position lol.  Or Matt Fitzpatrick with his extra jerky takeaway.  I think that's the reason why golf was so much harder for amateurs back then.  Getting the ball airborne took literally years.  The amount of hand-eye coordination needed to play golf was too high.  Those who had it stood out quickly and usually became good ballstrikers and solid at chipping and pitching. 

 

And there weren't so many theories or methods.  It was the books by Bobby Jones, Hogan and Nicklaus; Tommy Armour before them and Henry Cotton in England that shaped the "modern" golf swing.

[tm3]

MDLT advocated one ball position, also, although further back.

 

Great minds think alike, maybe.

[larrybud]

On 7/29/2023 at 10:11 PM, tthomasgolfer605 said:

Yeah. What did Jack know? 🫤

A lot of great players don't know how to relate what they are doing to a regular player, or fail to explain things in the correct way.