Qi10 driving accuracy improvements? (h/t Jonathan Wall)

[BigtimeHC]

Curious if anyone has seen this translate into their game or if this is just a small group of pros (staffers) that coincidentally improved their driving accuracy year over year?

 

*Or if it's simply because the Stealth driver line was really just that bad?

 

**Or maybe the Qi10 line is that good? 

 

Welcome any and all thoughts!

 

[shortgameneedswork]

He shouldn't have included Collin, he notoriously keeps going back to his SIM every year. 

[BigtimeHC]

4 minutes ago, shortgameneedswork said:

He shouldn't have included Collin, he notoriously keeps going back to his SIM every year. 

Seems to be pretty settled in with the Qi10 LS so far this year. Played it at Pinehurst I know

[circa3182]

Definitely translated for me. Found way more fairways w the qi10. However it also has a Ventus so maybe that helped with dispersion more than the qi10?

[RogerinNewZealand]

Rory was at 53...try Titleist...913 etc👍

[hammergolf]

8 hours ago, BigtimeHC said:

Curious if anyone has seen this translate into their game or if this is just a small group of pros (staffers) that coincidentally improved their driving accuracy year over year?

 

*Or if it's simply because the Stealth driver line was really just that bad?

 

**Or maybe the Qi10 line is that good? 

 

Welcome any and all thoughts!

 

Good stuff! I have a Qi10 to test vs my Sim Max in the next few weeks. Nothings been able to knock it out the bag yet, but if the Qi10 hits 10% more fwys I’ll have a very happy 2024.

[chisag]

7 hours ago, circa3182 said:

Definitely translated for me. Found way more fairways w the qi10. However it also has a Ventus so maybe that helped with dispersion more than the qi10?

 

 

... Same for me. My Qi10 is the most accurate driver I have played. Very accurate with a Ventus Red Velocore but off the charts accurate with an autoFlex Dream 7. Fwiw, I was all over the course with my Qi10 Max that I was fit into and just about couldn't hit a fairway. I used the 90 day playability and exchanged it for the star Qi10 fully expecting to play it a few rounds and then go back to my Stealth2 HD. I was very pleasantly surprised by the std Qi10 which obviously fit my swing much better. At 71 I am driving the ball 260-270 which is about 10yds longer than last year, so very happy with the performance. 

[Red4282]

“Accuracy” is coming from the person not the club, even more so for pros. 

[hammergolf]

6 hours ago, Red4282 said:

“Accuracy” is coming from the person not the club, even more so for pros. 

That’s not accurate. Several robotic tests show differences in shot dispersion patterns on different models.

[Red4282]

55 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

That’s not accurate. Several robotic tests show differences in shot dispersion patterns on different models.

Accuracy is where the ball ends up vs where you intended it to go, with a good strike. Even if different models have different dispersion patterns, the person using it would then adjust to the different dispersion pattern. 

[hammergolf]

32 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Accuracy is where the ball ends up vs where you intended it to go, with a good strike. Even if different models have different dispersion patterns, the person using it would then adjust to the different dispersion pattern. 

Agree to disagree. For me accuracy is the total area your shots finish from the center of the fairway. A club with more accuracy has more balls in the fwy and a tighter dispersion pattern. 

Edited Saturday at 07:08 PM by hammergolf

[Red4282]

31 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

Agree to disagree. For me accuracy is the total area your shots finish from the center of the fairway. A club with more accuracy has more balls in the fwy and a tighter dispersion pattern. 

Right, but lets say a robot test had a fade biased club with a dispersion pattern right if center. A player/ robot  could simply aim left to compensate, and bam, right back in the center. Clubs can have level of forgiveness, and that is a different story, but accuracy is down to the user inputs.

[Chunkitgood]

Usually precision means how close together different results are, while accuracy is how close they come to a particular target, which it seems to me depends on the skill of the user and the precision of the instrument.  A skilled person will come close to his target with a precise instrument, while an unskilled person will miss his target even with a precise tool.  Whether any additional precision can be built into a golf club in order to get him closer is to my mind an open question.

 

Hitting fairways is “accuracy” if the target is the fairway, but if it were an end in itself every pro would be 100 accurate.

 

The pros actually don’t seem to aim at the fairway like most of us do, but instead aim for an area at a certain distance that is mostly fairway but may include a good bit of rough, and going too long may be as much of a miss of the fairway portion of what they aim at as going left or right.

 

I suspect as with all other recent supposed improvements in equipment any benefits accrue mostly to those who strike the ball pretty well.

 

[hammergolf]

Here’s an example of two different model drivers tested on a robot at the same speed, same club path, same angle of attack, and same strike locations. For me, I would say the Paradym is more accurate driver than the Stealth 2. 
 

 

[RoverTiger]

6 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

Here’s an example of two different model drivers tested on a robot at the same speed, same club path, same angle of attack, and same strike locations. For me, I would say the Paradym is more accurate driver than the Stealth 2. 
 

 

Whoa. Wild discrepancies there.

[Red4282]

14 hours ago, hammergolf said:

Here’s an example of two different model drivers tested on a robot at the same speed, same club path, same angle of attack, and same strike locations. For me, I would say the Paradym is more accurate driver than the Stealth 2. 
 

 

Thats forgiveness, not accuracy. Accuracy would be just looking at the centered strike only, which all found the fairway.

[hammergolf]

2 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Thats forgiveness, not accuracy. Accuracy would be just looking at the centered strike only, which all found the fairway.

Ok, well look how much smaller the center strike area is. It’s still tighter….

[Red4282]

2 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

Ok, well look how much smaller the center strike area is. It’s still tighter….

Eh, I’d say that falls in the margin of error, talking about a yard or two, but ok

Edited 9 hours ago by Red4282

[hammergolf]

4 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Eh, id say that falls in the margin of error, talking about a yard or two, but ok

It’s facts, not margin of error. Some clubs are more accurate than others. 

Edited 9 hours ago by hammergolf

[Red4282]

2 hours ago, hammergolf said:

It’s facts, not margin of error. Some clubs are more accurate than others. 

Are you saying this test was perfect? They tested the CT of each driver, made sure all the balls were new, and in balance? Shafts? Lofts actually measured? Wind the same? Temp the Same? Pressure the same? Robot has been calibrated before each test? Is this calculated? Measured?
 

Safe to say there is a bit of margin of error. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Red4282

[hammergolf]

2 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Are you saying this test was perfect? They tested the COR of each driver, made sure all the balls were new, and in balance? Shafts? Lofts actually measured? Wind the same? Temp the Same? Pressure the same? Robot has been calibrated before each test? Is this calculated? Measured?
 

Safe to say there is a bit of margin of error. 

So miraculously the Paradym had a tighter pattern and closer to center line location on EVERY strike location. Sure, must be just margin of error……

[Red4282]

12 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

So miraculously the Paradym had a tighter pattern and closer to center line location on EVERY strike location. Sure, must be just margin of error……

But thats not what you said. You said the area of the red circle was smaller. Also, again you are describing forgiveness.

 

I just dont think the word you are looking for is “accuracy”

 

noun: accuracy

1. the quality or state of being correct

    

    

    

   Accuracy is predictability. If I the player hits  a ball with x, speed, y face angle, z path, center strike, it will end up in this location. 

    

   You can say that about any modern club. Because its down to the users inputs.

    

    

Edited 9 hours ago by Red4282

[hammergolf]

Just now, Red4282 said:

But thats not what you said. You said the area of the red circle was smaller.

 

just dont think the word you are looking for is “accuracy”

 

 

noun: accuracy

1. the quality or state of being correct

    

    

    

   Accuracy is predictability. If I the player hits  a ball with x, speed, y face angle, z path, center strike, it will end up in this location. 

    

   You can say that about any modern club. Because its down to the users inputs.

    

    

Once again, agree to disagree. If a club can hit more shots closer to the center of a target than another club it’s more accurate. You are the one who stated that only center strikes should be measured. The robot test shows exactly that a ball hit with speed x, y face angle, z path, and center strike varies by model. Based on your statement EVERY driver would have the exact same horizontal dispersion area and that is just factually wrong…..

[Red4282]

2 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

Once again, agree to disagree. If a club can hit more shots closer to the center of a target than another club it’s more accurate. You are the one who stated that only center strikes should be measured. The robot test shows exactly that a ball hit with speed x, y face angle, z path, and center strike varies by model. Based on your statement EVERY driver would have the exact same horizontal dispersion area and that is just factually wrong…..

No, I didnt say that. Quite frankly, and respectfully, not going to argue with you anymore because, A) nobody cares and B) you have no idea what you are talking about.

Edited 9 hours ago by Red4282

[hammergolf]

On 6/29/2024 at 6:26 AM, Red4282 said:

“Accuracy” is coming from the person not the club, even more so for pros. 

You literally said the club has nothing to do with accuracy. 

[grochol17]

On 6/28/2024 at 1:58 PM, BigtimeHC said:

Curious if anyone has seen this translate into their game or if this is just a small group of pros (staffers) that coincidentally improved their driving accuracy year over year?

 

*Or if it's simply because the Stealth driver line was really just that bad?

 

**Or maybe the Qi10 line is that good? 

 

Welcome any and all thoughts!

 

 

These improvements are meaningless without more info... like, how many of those tee shots are hit with something other than driver this year vs last year?  Are they playing the same courses?  Are course conditions the same?  Did they make any swing changes?  Is everything else about the club (length, grip, swingweight, shaft, etc) exactly the same?  What were their driving percentages at this point in the season last year?

[grochol17]

15 hours ago, hammergolf said:

Here’s an example of two different model drivers tested on a robot at the same speed, same club path, same angle of attack, and same strike locations. For me, I would say the Paradym is more accurate driver than the Stealth 2. 
 

 

 

I'm not sure I trust these results because it doesn't make sense that, for the 9.5* Stealth 2, the shots hit 1/4" left and right of center both resulted in snap hooks OB left, but for the 10.5* head those same spots both ended up as fades that missed the fairway right. 

[hammergolf]

10 minutes ago, grochol17 said:

 

I'm not sure I trust these results because it doesn't make sense that, for the 9.5* Stealth 2, the shots hit 1/4" left and right of center both resulted in snap hooks OB left, but for the 10.5* head those same spots both ended up as fades that missed the fairway right. 

Honestly, I would love to see the methodology too. I would think that CoolClubs is agnostic since they fit and sell every brand of golf cIubs. However, it would be great if there was an entirely objective entity that only tested club and ball performance and published the methodology and results. The closest thing we have right now is Balnamic from Ping on the golf ball side. 

[NC_GOLFER336]

I picked up a Qi10 a few months back and have been putting the ball in the fairway very consistantly, much better than my Stealth.