KB Tour 5.5 .....Perplexed

[jimmyv1x]

Miura 202 w/KB Tour 5.5...STIFF

I recently aquired a set of 202's with the 5.5 Tour. Mind you, I've had NO problems with DG S300 or PX 6.0, even have tried X100's but was about a club shorter.
These are without question the most difficult club/shaft combo I've ever hit, feels like a 7.0 or something,very very stiff with low leaking right ball flight which is about a club short for me, and not typical at all, I play a soft draw.
Could the builder possibly have tip trimmed them (taper tips) and screwed them up? When I recieved them, they were 1" long and a D6. I had them cut down to standard and now they're a C 9 and D 0 and only a perfect 100% swing will get then anywhere.
Any thoughts or ideas, should I just have them re shafted, tip weighted or something. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[ifixclubs]

id get your irons re-weighted...the 202s ive been builing with kb tours required the tour weighted head which is about 4 grams heavier to come out at d2-d3 swingweigh at standard length...the standard weight heads work great when you need the irons to be over length with the kb's...

[johnye]

Agree with ifixclubs, tried them with the AP2s and lost a club or 2 in carry yardage. Switch heads to TM RAC TP MB, which were considerably heavier and now a better fit.

[jimmyv1x]

id get your irons re-weighted...the 202s ive been builing with kb tours required the tour weighted head which is about 4 grams heavier to come out at d2-d3 swingweigh at standard length...the standard weight heads work great when you need the irons to be over length with the kb's...

 

 

 

Do I understand you correctly that Miura makes 2 distinctly different heads?

A tour weighted head and a regular weight head.

Also, would tip wights do the job do you think?

[teezoid]

id get your irons re-weighted...the 202s ive been builing with kb tours required the tour weighted head which is about 4 grams heavier to come out at d2-d3 swingweigh at standard length...the standard weight heads work great when you need the irons to be over length with the kb's...

 

 

 

Do I understand you correctly that Miura makes 2 distinctly different heads?

A tour weighted head and a regular weight head.

Also, would tip wights do the job do you think?

 

YES, they do make two differently weighted heads. I have a set of the 202's in building as we speak. Tour heads with the KBStours, 5.5 flex. I had a demo built a month ago and love the combo.

[xxio]

I had to add tipweights to my TB1000s to get them to D1. Maybe the light swingweight isn't allowing the shaft to load properly. Although that is only 2 swingweights???

[m_w]

you should talk to playersedge here on the forums.

All i know is that there are different heads from Miura and apparently it's not "easy" to build a good set when you have over length in your shafts. I had to change the grips to get them to the right SW

[ifixclubs]

miura does make different weighted heads...id personally just put lead tape on the head instead of a tip weight...better to have the weight behind the ball,instead of in the hosel...

[Grum]

I found the 5.5's quite stiff, but I'm now going back to them. They do feel great and the ball flight is spot on.

[markheardjr]

I have KBS Tour 6.5's in my R7 TP's and in terms of flex, are very similar to a normal X100 or even a shade weaker. maybe you got a tipped set with light heads. I had that same experience with some Tourstage MR-23 CB's with TTTC shafts. I hit them all short and right, no feel, thinned a lot of shots, just wasn't right for me.

[webber]

I have KBS Tour 6.5's softstepped 1 time in some X forged. I play 3/4" over so I have no swingweight issues, they are D5. I noticed I too was leaking a little right with them. They definitely do not feel too stiff. I checked my irons and they are about 1.5* more upright than my last set. They looked upright but I never bothered to change the lies because my miss was right and if I flattened them they would go even more right. I like the shafts though and will continue to work with them.

[jimmyv1x]

Funny thing, I went to the range today and try to work with, and all of a sudden I'm crushing 'em.

Only thing I changed was gripping a little lower in my fingers on left hand and light pressure with middle and ring finger on my right, both V's clearly over right shoulder.

It could be that Sat. my lower back was as tight as Dicks hat band and I just was not able to turn back and through. Felt really good today and my ball flight (soft draw) and distances were right on the money.

I don't know if the guy tip trimmed them or not, if he did that probably would explain a lot cause these are taper tip and I can't imagine anything good coming from tipping a taper tip.

I'm gona work with them a little more before I do anything drastic and see. They do feel sweet and release is unreal when they're swung well. In the end, however, I do see putting the King of shafts in them....Nippon 1150GH Tour stiff.

[jimmyv1x]

miura does make different weighted heads...id personally just put lead tape on the head instead of a tip weight...better to have the weight behind the ball,instead of in the hosel...

 

 

I'm gona give that a try, I can lead tape them and see how they behave and decide from their. I'm like you though, seems to me tip weighting is gona move CG or something goofy, and beside that, I to would want the weight behind the ball, not beside it.

[sweeet]

Funny thing, I went to the range today and try to work with, and all of a sudden I'm crushing 'em.

Only thing I changed was gripping a little lower in my fingers on left hand and light pressure with middle and ring finger on my right, both V's clearly over right shoulder.

It could be that Sat. my lower back was as tight as Dicks hat band and I just was not able to turn back and through. Felt really good today and my ball flight (soft draw) and distances were right on the money.

I don't know if the guy tip trimmed them or not, if he did that probably would explain a lot cause these are taper tip and I can't imagine anything good coming from tipping a taper tip.

I'm gona work with them a little more before I do anything drastic and see. They do feel sweet and release is unreal when they're swung well. In the end, however, I do see putting the King of shafts in them....Nippon 1150GH Tour stiff.

to each his own my friend :)

 

Miura CB-202's are great irons. Enjoy those :good:

[teezoid]

miura does make different weighted heads...id personally just put lead tape on the head instead of a tip weight...better to have the weight behind the ball,instead of in the hosel...

 

 

I'm gona give that a try, I can lead tape them and see how they behave and decide from their. I'm like you though, seems to me tip weighting is gona move CG or something goofy, and beside that, I to would want the weight behind the ball, not beside it.

 

Sorry, but there is NO way I would ever add lead tape to the heads of the Miura's and ruin that perfect look!

[Drewrealty]

Would second the info to check with PlayersEdge here on the forums...He's the best! :) There is definitely an issue with headweight, length, etc. to get the Miura's to work with the KB's. All too technical for me to understand. All I know is Ted worked his magic with the KB's and my Miura Blades -- most solid ball contact and trajectory I have ever had! Enough said!! He's worth the call! You have too nice a set up to give up on it now.

[Awalkspoiled]

Funny thing, I went to the range today and try to work with, and all of a sudden I'm crushing 'em.

Only thing I changed was gripping a little lower in my fingers on left hand and light pressure with middle and ring finger on my right, both V's clearly over right shoulder.

It could be that Sat. my lower back was as tight as Dicks hat band and I just was not able to turn back and through. Felt really good today and my ball flight (soft draw) and distances were right on the money.

I don't know if the guy tip trimmed them or not, if he did that probably would explain a lot cause these are taper tip and I can't imagine anything good coming from tipping a taper tip.

I'm gona work with them a little more before I do anything drastic and see. They do feel sweet and release is unreal when they're swung well. In the end, however, I do see putting the King of shafts in them....Nippon 1150GH Tour stiff.

 

 

Headweight and BBGM are the usual answer when setting up the Miuras - some of those heads are just way too light (and sometimes too flat if they're JDM) for standard length assembly.

 

There actually is a reasonable approach to tipping the KB-Tour, although I'm the only guy I know of who does it from time to time. That tip is often seriously undersized and the frequencies aren't always spot-on either. I generally take three sets at a time and mix and match for best frequency-matching, but sometimes I'll have one shaft which is a little soft anyway. Just tipping it 1/4" or so will bring it into line, and because they're undersized it'll still fit fine.

 

I'd suggest you keep after them - possibly even softstepping - because the accuracy should work out to be better than those Nippons, although the feel will likely never really catch up.

[jimmyv1x]

A big "THANK YOU!!!" to everyone who helped me out here. No doubt, THIS is the best site around for those of us who love the game of golf. I appreciate GolfWRX more and more each day. I don't have any intention whatsoever of letting my irons go, they are without question the finest set of irons I've owned, and I've had some good stuff.

They will be off to"playersedge" on the 11th to get them straightened out. He and I have PM'd a few times, and I believe the KBS shafts will work out great when he is finished with them. I'm just hopeful that I will be able to play well with them this week end, as I will be going off at 8:30 on The Pete Dye Club in Bridgeport, WV Sat. morning. This will be my 1st time their and I cannot tell you how excited and looking forward to this I am. But I digress.

I'm really looking forward to getting these irons "right" and putting them into play. I believe my game has progressed to the point that they will be a key component in getting down to a 4, 5 or 6 cap. It is true the old saying " It's the indian not the arrow", but I have to say, good arrows help.

Thanks again to all of you who contributed!!! :good: :)

[P.Lay]

What was the fix? I lost exactly one club length with a set of Miura MC-102 and KBS 6.5 (soft-stepped twice). Have yanked the shafts and will put in Rifles.

[Dyno]

miura does make different weighted heads...id personally just put lead tape on the head instead of a tip weight...better to have the weight behind the ball,instead of in the hosel...

 

 

I'm gona give that a try, I can lead tape them and see how they behave and decide from their. I'm like you though, seems to me tip weighting is gona move CG or something goofy, and beside that, I to would want the weight behind the ball, not beside it.

 

If you are only adding 4-6g, tip weighting won't affect anything in an iron. Getting them to a more median swingweight may just be enough to soften them up a tad. If they were alittle light in SW before, could be it took you some trialing to get your timing down.

 

I do find the 5.5's feel a bit stout.

[kooch1221]

miura does make different weighted heads...id personally just put lead tape on the head instead of a tip weight...better to have the weight behind the ball,instead of in the hosel...

 

 

I'm gona give that a try, I can lead tape them and see how they behave and decide from their. I'm like you though, seems to me tip weighting is gona move CG or something goofy, and beside that, I to would want the weight behind the ball, not beside it.

 

If you are only adding 4-6g, tip weighting won't affect anything in an iron. Getting them to a more median swingweight may just be enough to soften them up a tad. If they were alittle light in SW before, could be it took you some trialing to get your timing down.

 

I do find the 5.5's feel a bit stout.

 

Dyno

 

A little off topic. I seem to remeber you being a being a big Accra tour steel fan. can you compare the KBS to them?