Mizuno shaft optimizer. I forgot my recommendations. Can anyone check my numbers?

[DaveMac]

Does the Optimiser include Steelfiber shafts?

 

A fitting recently put me into them, but they didn't appear on my Optimiser list.

 

My numbers were 80 3 2 6 4.

 

Unfortunately Mizuno don't offer Aerotech Steelfiber in their reasonably extensive custom shaft list. Your DNA does return the UST Recoil 95 as the first option on your recommendation list, which is additional validation (if you need it) of your fitting.

[Armour248]

Hey Dave can you get me the recommendations on the following numbers? They're for my dad so there won't be the elaborate back and forth testing process for this one haha. Thanks.

 

90.5

5

3.25

5.5

5

[DaveMac]

Hey Dave can you get me the recommendations on the following numbers? They're for my dad so there won't be the elaborate back and forth testing process for this one haha. Thanks.

 

90.5 , 5, 3.25, 5.5, 5

 

 

The recommendations are.

 

KBS Tour S

Project X 6.5

Dynamic Gold AMT X100

 

Same rules apply, test and adjust choice based on feel and performance.

[Armour248]

Thanks I'll pass those along

[DaveMac]

Thanks I'll pass those along

 

Sorry, Dynamic Gold AMT X100 not the full fat Dynamic Gold (old habits)

[Armour248]

Thanks I'll pass those along

 

Sorry, Dynamic Gold AMT X100 not the full fat Dynamic Gold (old habits)

 

All good! Thanks.

 

When I hit the Nippon Pro Modus 3 105 X it launched the highest (16.3 average) and had the highest ball speed (120mph) of anything I've hit...but I was a bit wild with it from left to right. From what I can recall it felt great too. Would it make any sense to try the 120X or 120S to get that feel but a slightly lower launch? I don't know if launching at 16 is necessarily a bad thing when it carries 184 though.

[DaveMac]

Sure it would do no harm at all to test the Modus 120, Nippon's have a distinctive feel alnd a loyal following. You will probably fit in to the X flex, but test both. The 120 profile is quite a bit different than the 105, not that that is a bad thing if it works, it is similar, perhaps even softer in the butt, with a soft mid and a very strong tip. I'd certainly expect lower launch based on the change you observed from the 105 vs Project X / C Taper lite.

 

It is not an option from Mizuno so you would need to use a different iron model for the test.

 

The slight trouble with your launch angle, is the unknown accuracy of the About Golf simulators, that's where your current gamers come in as a reference.

[Armour248]

Sure it would do no harm at all to test the Modus 120, Nippon's have a distinctive feel alnd a loyal following. You will probably fit in to the X flex, but test both. The 120 profile is quite a bit different than the 105, not that that is a bad thing if it works, it is similar, perhaps even softer in the butt, with a soft mid and a very strong tip. I'd certainly expect lower launch based on the change you observed from the 105 vs Project X / C Taper lite.

 

It is not an option from Mizuno so you would need to use a different iron model for the test.

 

The slight trouble with your launch angle, is the unknown accuracy of the About Golf simulators, that's where your current gamers come in as a reference.

 

Yeah I'm planning on getting over there tomorrow and actually taking note of the data with my current setup (712 AP2, S300).

 

Of all the different 6 iron head/shaft combos I've used and actually tracked, my average vertical angle is 13.67. Definitely low but not awful. The LZ 5.5 and LZ 6.0 were 13.4 and 13.8. CTaper Lite X was at 14.0. All three of those were between 5068-5093 spin which are almost identical and probably a bit lower than the actual figure due to the launch monitor.

 

That stinks that the Modus 120 isn't an option...the 105X launched at 16.3 which is just too high I think. I do like the LZs, CTaper Lite and KBS Tour S though so I've got plenty of options.

[Armour248]

More of a general shaft question real quick...generally speaking, what is going to be the biggest difference between the Pro Modus 105 Stiff and X-Stiff? Horizontal control and launch angle?

[jrwingate6]

More of a general shaft question real quick...generally speaking, what is going to be the biggest difference between the Pro Modus 105 Stiff and X-Stiff? Horizontal control and launch angle?

Extra stiffness..... ;)

[Armour248]

More of a general shaft question real quick...generally speaking, what is going to be the biggest difference between the Pro Modus 105 Stiff and X-Stiff? Horizontal control and launch angle?

Extra stiffness..... ;)

 

Hah. I suppose I should've specified that I'm wondering how it generally affects the ball flight

[Armour248]

Hoping somebody might be able to comment on this...

 

I feel like I've had the most accuracy and feel with the KBS Tour S. However, my carry and total are probably a half club short of what I would prefer. I'm wondering if the Tour 105 X would make sense. I have low spin in general and the 105 should produce some more spin. The KBS Tour 105 X is 115g and the KBS Tour S is 120g. I would think the 5g lower weight will give me a little more distance and spin. The Mizuno shaft optimizer recommended C-Taper Lite X, Project X 5.5 and Pro Modus 105 X. I could hit the C-Taper Lite but my spin is already low so I'm thinking the 105 might give me a little more. Any thoughts would be appreciated...not sure I'll really be able to demo the Tour 105's anywhere since they aren't that popular/common

[jrwingate6]

The Tour 105 is on every Mizuno cart in existence. Just walk into any pro shop that has a Mizuno cart.

 

That being said, the Modus 105 is a thing of beauty. It's such a smooth shaft. Once you swing it, you'll see what I'm talking about. It should give you the increase in spins you're looking for.

[Armour248]

The Tour 105 is on every Mizuno cart in existence. Just walk into any pro shop that has a Mizuno cart.

 

That being said, the Modus 105 is a thing of beauty. It's such a smooth shaft. Once you swing it, you'll see what I'm talking about. It should give you the increase in spins you're looking for.

 

Didn't realize the Tour 105 was in the demo carts. Good to know. I've hit the Modus 105 quite a bit. I liked the feel of it but it was not very consistent direction wise for me. Maybe too soft in the tip? Not sure. My spin numbers were actually relatively low with that shaft too.

[DaveMac]

KBS Tour 105 is not a Mizuno custom shaft option. The tour 90 S is the closest shaft in the Mizuno fitting cart.

 

Nothing has really changed in your search for the 'perfect shaft', your next move should be to get some accurate launch and spin numbers from one of the more trusted launch monitors.

 

Alternatively, shaft up one club and test in off turf perhaps in a gaming situation, ultimately it's what a new shaft can do for you score / enjoyment, not perfect sterile launch monitor numbers. Don't forget all this testing is just one aspect of a single club, other factors can make a difference like, shaft stiffness progression / swing weight / balance / moi matching and so on.

[Armour248]

At this point I am more than likely going to go with the KBS Tour 105...just not sure if I should stay in the stiff or move it to an X. I was really wondering how the shaft build for the Tour 105's compares to the regular KBS Tour's, the C-Taper Lite (X) and Pro Modus (X). The shaft optimizer recommended X's for the 105 shafts that I hit and the C-Taper Lite X and Pro Modus X felt fine. I'm not sure if those would be similar to the Tour 105 or not though.

[DaveMac]

If you can find a Taylormade RSi 2 or perhaps the KBS Tour 105 is still in Taylormades fitting cart. KBS shafts are stronger flex for flex than the majority of Nippon models, so if you are guessing, the KBS Tour 105 S is the better bet. The X is likely to be too close to the standard KBS Tour S in butt frequency, which I guess is the reason for your lack of distance with that model.

 

The KBS Tour weight family all share similar bend profiles, strong butt and mid with a bit of softness in the tip. They naturally increase in strength as you go up in weight. The difference with the Modus 105 is it is a little softer in the butt.

 

Hit the KBS Tour 90 S and see what you think before you blind buy. You could always soft step the KBS Tour S. KBS also do a flighted version of the KBS Tour. The flighted gets a mention in the last few minutes of this video.

 

[Armour248]

Wow awesome info. Thanks for the 100th time.

[Craig Allison]

Hi Dave / Joe,

 

I have just used the Swing DNA optimiser and got 90 mph with 6264 numbers on their variables.

 

which shafts do you think I should be looking at based on those numbers please?

 

thanks in advance,

 

Craig

[DaveMac]

Hi Dave / Joe,

 

I have just used the Swing DNA optimiser and got 90 mph with 6264 numbers on their variables.

 

which shafts do you think I should be looking at based on those numbers please?

 

thanks in advance,

 

Craig

 

The software returns Dynamic Gold X100, KBS Tour X and C Taper X as your shaft recommendations for further testing. The reason for your recommendations are your Tempo factor is on the aggressive side of neutral, suggesting more shaft weight and a bit extra shaft strength. Your release is pretty late suggesting stronger more tip stable profiles. The two Project X 6.5's (std and LZ) are number 4 and 5 in the list

 

I have said it many times, the software tends to fit at the strong end of the spectrum, so definitely try at least one of your options in S flex and compare the feel.

It would also be worth confirming if you really need the heaviest shafts in the options list, so perhaps try the C Taper lite x against the standard C Taper or the Dynamic Gold AMT X vs the standard Dynamic Gold X.

 

These shafts are just a starting point, go with your own feel preferences when you test. Get a weight you are comfortable with, then a profile, finally the flex.

 

Happy testing.

[Craig Allison]

Hi Dave / Joe,

 

I have just used the Swing DNA optimiser and got 90 mph with 6264 numbers on their variables.

 

which shafts do you think I should be looking at based on those numbers please?

 

thanks in advance,

 

Craig

 

The software returns Dynamic Gold X100, KBS Tour X and C Taper X as your shaft recommendations for further testing. The reason for your recommendations are your Tempo factor is on the aggressive side of neutral, suggesting more shaft weight and a bit extra shaft strength. Your release is pretty late suggesting stronger more tip stable profiles. The two Project X 6.5's (std and LZ) are number 4 and 5 in the list

 

I have said it many times, the software tends to fit at the strong end of the spectrum, so definitely try at least one of your options in S flex and compare the feel.

It would also be worth confirming if you really need the heaviest shafts in the options list, so perhaps try the C Taper lite x against the standard C Taper or the Dynamic Gold AMT X vs the standard Dynamic Gold X.

 

These shafts are just a starting point, go with your own feel preferences when you test. Get a weight you are comfortable with, then a profile, finally the flex.

 

Happy testing.

 

Thanks very much for your advice and info. I am really grateful. I have X100 now and I do prefer clubs on the stiffer side as I like playing a lot of lower / punch shots and feel like I can control the "lefts" when the shafts are a bit stiffer. I have tried PX 6.5 and a KBS (I can't remember which one) previously and found that I didn't like the feel at all compared to DG X100- X100 being my favourite and PX definitely least favourite from the 3 that I tried. I am intrigued what AMT could do compared to standard X100 for me too. As you say, more testing, but at least I am in the right ball park based on your suggestions so thanks again.

 

Craig

[Armour248]

My local Mizuno fitting cart didn't have an AMT X100...not sure if it's just the store I was at or not.

[cferguson5]

Looking at new irons and happened to hop on the optimizer today. I'll admit, it left me feeling a bit confused. Ill post my numbers and the recommendations that it gave me. I have always played s300, which was 14th on the list! This totally took me by surprise as I don't feel like it is necessarily a bad shaft for me, we get a long just fine. However, it looks like there are better shafts to fit my swing. Could anyone look at my numbers and break down my swing a bit? I know what the individual numbers mean, but i am having a hard time putting them together to describe my overall swing.

 

IMG_2630-2 by Cliff Ferguson, on Flickr

 

It looks like the graph is showing that I need a softer tip with a strong butt shaft? Is that correct?

 

Also, looking to get fit and put these shafts in Ping i200's. just wondering which would be the best as it looks like they aren't offering the project x 5.5's w/out an upcharge. it just lists the 5.0 and then 6.0. Thanks for the help guys!

[DaveMac]

Don't panic! The main factor driving the recommendation above is your Tempo, the software is attempting to save a little weight, that's it.

 

Your release is pretty late so DG S300 is a good profile and still might be your preferred option. Don't forget the recommendations are only possible best guess matches, they MUST be tested to confirm performance and feel.

 

Don't get too concerned with the EI profiles, the shaft behaves as a unit, std PX 5.5 just happens to be the strongest shaft in your recommendations. Select DG S300 from your list and you will see it's a little softer in the mid section than PX but it is not a million miles away, just different.

[cferguson5]

Don't panic! The main factor driving the recommendation above is your Tempo, the software is attempting to save a little weight, that's it.

 

Your release is pretty late so DG S300 is a good profile and still might be your preferred option. Don't forget the recommendations are only possible best guess matches, they MUST be tested to confirm performance and feel.

 

Don't get too concerned with the EI profiles, the shaft behaves as a unit, std PX 5.5 just happens to be the strongest shaft in your recommendations. Select DG S300 from your list and you will see it's a little softer in the mid section than PX but it is not a million miles away, just different.

 

Thanks Dave! I appreciate the help! Do you know why it's recommending the modus x instead of s? So it looks like I'm a slower tempo with a late release. Interesting. I'm anxious to try some of these shafts out and see what works besr

[DaveMac]

It is simply because of Mizuno's assessment of the overall strength of the shaft, as I am sure you are aware flex labels are misleading and are not transferable, so fail to fully discribe the characteristics of the shaft, in relation to other makes and models. The Project X 5.5 for example, would be classed as firm in flex label terms but the EI Profile shows it to be a strong profile.

 

There have been a few very positive reviews and comments on the Modus 105 X from DG users looking to shed weight. It is significantly lighter than your DG S300 so make sure you are comfortable with the weight when you test. If possible complete a virtual target shoot out (most of the better launch monitors have a skills app) this will ensure you are applying your hitting target course swing, rather than a launch numbers swing.

 

Best of luck with the testing and don't forget the recommendations are just a suggested starting point, trust your own feel preferences.

[cferguson5]

Ill have to look into it, but it doesn't look like ping will offer the PX 5.5's. I hit the 6.0 at the store and honestly they didn't feel bad at all. Do you think soft stepping these (6.0's) would get me closer to my recommended shaft? The only reason why I am asking is b/c I could have ping do this w/out the shaft upcharge. Just thinking out loud here. Thanks for all of your help!

[DaveMac]

I suggest you hit the 5.0 and the 6.0 and compare feel and performance, this might help you make decision with regards soft stepping. To make it a fair fight throw in your DG S300 as well. Soft stepping is the subtlest of flex adjustments, many would not be able to feel the change, it can change peak height a little for the right swing.

 

One final word, Project X 5.5 is a RECOMMENDATION ONLY, the DNA system does not produce a list with your PERFECT shaft number 1 on the list. It is only a starting point, the recommendations should be tested side by side, based on performance and player feedback, the final preferred shaft might be something not on the initial list.

 

 

[cferguson5]

I suggest you hit the 5.0 and the 6.0 and compare feel and performance, this might help you make decision with regards soft stepping. To make it a fair fight throw in your DG S300 as well. Soft stepping is the subtlest of flex adjustments, many would not be able to feel the change, it can change peak height a little for the right swing.

 

One final word, Project X 5.5 is a RECOMMENDATION ONLY, the DNA system does not produce a list with your PERFECT shaft number 1 on the list. It is only a starting point, the recommendations should be tested side by side, based on performance and player feedback, the final preferred shaft might be something not on the initial list.

 

Ok thanks for the help, wasn't sure how much that would affect the flex. I realize its just a recommendation, and I will try out as many shafts as I can to get the best fit. Was just curious to see if sofstepping would get me in the ballpark range if I were to like the 5.5 the most. Thanks again for the help.

[kidrobot]

Can someone check these numbers please? 83 4444