What is the "Snead Squat" and should I be doing it ?

[Hstead]

[quote name='CarySchoen' timestamp='1384791635' post='8166756']
[quote name='dirthead' timestamp='1384789097' post='8166558']
[quote name='Playerhater' timestamp='1384720365' post='8162866']
Where do you teach out of it sounds like you teach a lot of accomplished players
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Dan Carraher teaches out of Jacksonville, FL. He teaches many accomplished pros and will be one of the "big name" teachers in the very near future. I spent 2 days with him this summer and he totally changed my game. He is a great teacher and a great player as well. We played 18 holes each day, and he can play. He's not a big guy, but he can pound it. A lot of us here have the utmost respect for Dan and his teaching ability. He can diagnose a swing problem better than anyone I've ever seen, and has a very down to earth way of communicating what needs to be done to correct it. He's very much a cause and effect guy. I don't think he necessarily teaches a particular swing method to everyone, but he does diagnose the "Cause" and fixes that first, rather than trying to change an "effect". He was able to diagnose the root cause of my swing issues right away, and make a small change to that completely changed my ball striking. I had been floundering for years focusing on the effects. When he explained my "cause", and the chain reaction that happened after that, it all made sense. One small change in movement created a domino effect created almost instant improvement.

There are many of us here that have been to see Dan, some more than once. Of all the guys that give swing advice here, Dan is at the top of the heap in my opinion. He's the best.
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YaY Dan !!!!!

It's too bad the "lower body lie" thread got taken down. There are a lot of things Dan said that I'd like to have record of when things come to light
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This should be good. I hope you hold it back for at least three more weeks.

Who is this iteach guy anyway?

[Atrayn]

[sub][size=5]Back to the OP question. Like others here I believe the squat was a result, not an intension. It appears to be a very significant move because of where that knee is coming from. Snead setup with his left foot angled out. On top of hat he raised his left heel significantly like many golfers of the era. This drove the left knee in quite a bit on the backswing, unlike Hogan who rolled the left foot. They both drove the left knee back, however Sneed appeared to do it more just based on where the knee came from. The knee separation alone causes the effect of a squat. It appears different in various players due to their anatomy and lower body action. [/size][/sub]

[sub][size=5]Here's another interesting take on it:[/size][/sub]
[url="http://www.hititlonger.com/blog/article/was-sneads-signature-squat-really-a-swing-flaw/"][sub][size=5]http://www.hititlonger.com/blog/article/was-sneads-signature-squat-really-a-swing-flaw/[/size][/sub][/url]

[CarySchoen]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1384793040' post='8166880']
Cary I stand by all I said. I'd ask you the same but you've talked a lot without actually saying anything.

I'll retype it here so you can save it. Staying in flexion into and post impact with the sternum leading the belt buckle into and post impact is extremely inefficient. Your players lowering their handles through impact in order to get shaft back down to shaft plane is not only contrived but makes AoA far too steep and bends plane left. All the greats you posted who return to shaft plane do so with spine extended and not staying in flexion in order to "fake it" to satisfy a look on camera.
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Thanks Dan !

Have em put the thread back up

[iteachgolf]

I didn't take the thread down and have zero power to do any such thing. You have more than I do as the OP of the thread

[CarySchoen]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1384793945' post='8166968']
I didn't take the thread down and have zero power to do any such thing. You have more than I do as the OP of the thread
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Right on. Why do you think they took it down ? Is that the sort of thing that happens on here ? 8 pages, 8000 views, over 200 posts, debate about topics relevant to today's swing theories ???

[pinhigh27]

I wouldn't call it a debate when one side refuses to acknowledge another side's opinion, refuses to retort to it or comment on it and simply says its wrong. I'm beginning to think you are related to laneholt..

[TheBigGun]

[quote name='pinhigh27' timestamp='1384795156' post='8167046']
I wouldn't call it a debate when one side refuses to acknowledge another side's opinion, refuses to retort to it or comment on it and simply says its wrong. I'm beginning to think you are related to laneholt..
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C'mon.....as if anyone is gonna do that for free!

*That was sarcastical by the way.

[Tanner25]

[quote name='CarySchoen' timestamp='1384793772' post='8166956']
[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1384793040' post='8166880']
Cary I stand by all I said. I'd ask you the same but you've talked a lot without actually saying anything.

I'll retype it here so you can save it. Staying in flexion into and post impact with the sternum leading the belt buckle into and post impact is extremely inefficient. Your players lowering their handles through impact in order to get shaft back down to shaft plane is not only contrived but makes AoA far too steep and bends plane left. All the greats you posted who return to shaft plane do so with spine extended and not staying in flexion in order to "fake it" to satisfy a look on camera.
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Thanks Dan !

Have em put the thread back up
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What does the lower body do in the swing Cary?

[CarySchoen]

[quote name='Tanner25' timestamp='1384826862' post='8169880']
[quote name='CarySchoen' timestamp='1384793772' post='8166956']
[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1384793040' post='8166880']
Cary I stand by all I said. I'd ask you the same but you've talked a lot without actually saying anything.

I'll retype it here so you can save it. Staying in flexion into and post impact with the sternum leading the belt buckle into and post impact is extremely inefficient. Your players lowering their handles through impact in order to get shaft back down to shaft plane is not only contrived but makes AoA far too steep and bends plane left. All the greats you posted who return to shaft plane do so with spine extended and not staying in flexion in order to "fake it" to satisfy a look on camera.
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Thanks Dan !

Have em put the thread back up
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What does the lower body do in the swing Cary?
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I will only tell if they put the "lower body lie" thread back up

[pinhigh27]

Yes we are gonna part the red sea , I actually petitioned about getting you your own subforum. Hopefully you'll tell me two secrets then.
Predictions for tomorrow's thread? I'm thinking something about bulge and gear effect, and how it's actually made by club companies to get you to buy more clubs and its against every golfer's interest. Definitely that, or maybe something about grip, like how strong grips are terrible and no one in the world should have one.

[CarySchoen]

[quote name='pinhigh27' timestamp='1384827796' post='8169978']
Yes we are gonna part the red sea , I actually petitioned about getting you your own subforum. Hopefully you'll tell me two secrets then.
Predictions for tomorrow's thread? I'm thinking something about bulge and gear effect, and how it's actually made by club companies to get you to buy more clubs and its against every golfer's interest. Definitely that, or maybe something about grip, like how strong grips are terrible and no one in the world should have one.
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I was thinking maybe we'd begin the bent right wrist vs. "coupling" discussion ?

[Bobalu]

Eddie Van Halen demonstrating the "secret"... POW!

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[tembolo1284]

Wow...now i'm wondering why that thread was taken down.

[tembolo1284]

Cary is this you?

[url="http://gwayd.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/gwayd6/profile/cschoen8/tresults.htm"]http://gwayd.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/gwayd6/profile/cschoen8/tresults.htm[/url]

not bad if it is!

[Atrayn]

[b]Agreed. I'm getting very frustrated with this site. Maybe time to take another hiatus..[/b]

[TheBigGun]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1384873191' post='8171838']
Cary is this you?

[url="http://gwayd.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/gwayd6/profile/cschoen8/tresults.htm"]http://gwayd.bluegol...n8/tresults.htm[/url]

not bad if it is!
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....and that was before he discovered the lie that has devastated golf instruction.

[jfzhorseman]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1384793040' post='8166880']
Cary I stand by all I said. I'd ask you the same but you've talked a lot without actually saying anything.

I'll retype it here so you can save it. Staying in flexion into and post impact with the sternum leading the belt buckle into and post impact is extremely inefficient. Your players lowering their handles through impact in order to get shaft back down to shaft plane is not only contrived but makes AoA far too steep and bends plane left. All the greats you posted who return to shaft plane do so with spine extended and not staying in flexion in order to "fake it" to satisfy a look on camera.
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Amen, at least until I see the light that is coming.

[jfzhorseman]

[quote name='CarySchoen' timestamp='1384827071' post='8169900']
[quote name='Tanner25' timestamp='1384826862' post='8169880']
[quote name='CarySchoen' timestamp='1384793772' post='8166956']
[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1384793040' post='8166880']
Cary I stand by all I said. I'd ask you the same but you've talked a lot without actually saying anything.

I'll retype it here so you can save it. Staying in flexion into and post impact with the sternum leading the belt buckle into and post impact is extremely inefficient. Your players lowering their handles through impact in order to get shaft back down to shaft plane is not only contrived but makes AoA far too steep and bends plane left. All the greats you posted who return to shaft plane do so with spine extended and not staying in flexion in order to "fake it" to satisfy a look on camera.
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Thanks Dan !

Have em put the thread back up
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What does the lower body do in the swing Cary?
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I will only tell if they put the "lower body lie" thread back up
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We are all waiting with bated breath, I'm about to pass out. Pulleaaasseee!

[virtuoso]

It seems that Cary is not interested in substantive discussion. I guess he just likes to do a number of drive-by's.

It tends to make you a moving target and you don't get held down by commiting to any detailed concepts.

[dirthead]

[Ezgolfer]

I think the biggest mistake was piling up on him non stop. We should have given him time to discuss more and than dissected why he is wrong ....
Lessons for the next secret guru debuting on Wrx

[tembolo1284]

What do his students think about his behavior on here?

[spider]

[quote name='CarySchoen' timestamp='1384828418' post='8170090']
[quote name='pinhigh27' timestamp='1384827796' post='8169978']
Yes we are gonna part the red sea , I actually petitioned about getting you your own subforum. Hopefully you'll tell me two secrets then.
Predictions for tomorrow's thread? I'm thinking something about bulge and gear effect, and how it's actually made by club companies to get you to buy more clubs and its against every golfer's interest. Definitely that, or maybe something about grip, like how strong grips are terrible and no one in the world should have one.
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I was thinking maybe we'd begin the bent right wrist vs. "coupling" discussion ?
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I don't know squat about the swing. Pun sort of intended! However each time you post you seem to be referencing other instructors "stuff" Now you are referencing Manzella's whole coupling point idea. Albeit he got it from one of those scientists. Don't recall who at this point. I think many of the people on this board have visited other forums and are up to date on all this stuff. Waite, Mayo, Manzella, Kwon Cuomo, Trackman and who ever else you bring up. What is your point? you bring all this !@#$ up then offer no rebuttal no insight.

Ultimately this forum is to help am golfers like me learn about the swing. Or are you hear to ruffle feathers in a passive aggressive way then offer nothing. I like contrarian ideas and agree with 8iron that you shouldn't be banned but F!@# are you frustrating. Plus you damn huge pics are a pain

[dirthead]

[quote name='Ezgolfer' timestamp='1384883053' post='8172702']
I think the biggest mistake was piling up on him non stop. We should have given him time to discuss more and than dissected why he is wrong ....
Lessons for the next secret guru debuting on Wrx
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We gave him many opportunities to explain his position/thoughts/theories. I know I asked him more than once to explain his position, and got nothing but another picture or cyber riddle. Dan did a great job explaining his thoughts on the swing or positions his students were in, and Cary did nothing to elaborate on what he was trying to teach them, or what his general teaching philosophy is. Internet discussion on the golf swing is great. I've learned so much here from everyone, but every other instructor on this site will explain, in great detail, their opinion or position on a certain topic. They might not all agree, but they at least explain. Cary has done nothing to contribute any information. That either means he doesn't really know what's going on, or is fishing for info from the other, more qualified, instructors here (of which I'm not one by the way).

[tembolo1284]

Well said dirthead.

[Hstead]

[quote name='dirthead' timestamp='1384885983' post='8172966']
[quote name='Ezgolfer' timestamp='1384883053' post='8172702']
I think the biggest mistake was piling up on him non stop. We should have given him time to discuss more and than dissected why he is wrong ....
Lessons for the next secret guru debuting on Wrx
[/quote]

We gave him many opportunities to explain his position/thoughts/theories. I know I asked him more than once to explain his position, and got nothing but another picture or cyber riddle. Dan did a great job explaining his thoughts on the swing or positions his students were in, and Cary did nothing to elaborate on what he was trying to teach them, or what his general teaching philosophy is. Internet discussion on the golf swing is great. I've learned so much here from everyone, but every other instructor on this site will explain, in great detail, their opinion or position on a certain topic. They might not all agree, but they at least explain. Cary has done nothing to contribute any information. That either means he doesn't really know what's going on, or is fishing for info from the other, more qualified, instructors here (of which I'm not one by the way).
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But that would be giving away the secret for free dirt, almost dirt free. Didn't you know that? Not to mention, this Dan guy probably has no students either since he is giving it all away for free. I can't imagine anyone driving 712 miles from Ohio to Florida or something stupid like that when you can get it for free. Dan would probably be busy if he were more elusive, evasive, vague, and overall flippant.

Of course I have been accused of being the marketing arm for iteach enterprises so maybe I will start to reshape the marketing materials and redirect the company?

[Hstead]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1384886479' post='8173002']
Well said dirthead.
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Can you imagine the ignorance it would take to make a trip from say NY to Florida?

[dirthead]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1384887114' post='8173052']
[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1384886479' post='8173002']
Well said dirthead.
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Can you imagine the ignorance it would take to make a trip from say NY to Florida?
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Oh crap, I traveled from Phoenix to Florida to see Dan. What was I thinking????????????

[Krt22]

[quote name='CarySchoen' timestamp='1384827071' post='8169900']
[quote name='Tanner25' timestamp='1384826862' post='8169880']
[quote name='CarySchoen' timestamp='1384793772' post='8166956']
[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1384793040' post='8166880']
Cary I stand by all I said. I'd ask you the same but you've talked a lot without actually saying anything.

I'll retype it here so you can save it. Staying in flexion into and post impact with the sternum leading the belt buckle into and post impact is extremely inefficient. Your players lowering their handles through impact in order to get shaft back down to shaft plane is not only contrived but makes AoA far too steep and bends plane left. All the greats you posted who return to shaft plane do so with spine extended and not staying in flexion in order to "fake it" to satisfy a look on camera.
[/quote]

Thanks Dan !

Have em put the thread back up
[/quote]

What does the lower body do in the swing Cary?
[/quote]

I will only tell if they put the "lower body lie" thread back up
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Lol, are you a golf instructor or a pre-school teacher?

NO ONE GETS TO PLAY WITH THE BLOCKS UNTIL WHOEVER TOOK MR WIGGLES FROM HIS CAGE RETURNS HIM, AND I MEAN IT

[tembolo1284]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1384887114' post='8173052']
[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1384886479' post='8173002']
Well said dirthead.
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Can you imagine the ignorance it would take to make a trip from say NY to Florida?
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Preposterous I say...sheer blasphemy! And good day to you sir!

On that note..I gotta get my buns back down there. This way my banana goes up in value.

You know what I mean, jelly bean?