Miura small blades - anybody have this experience?

raynorfan1raynorfan1 Members Posts: 3,541 ✭✭
edited Apr 29, 2016 in Japanese and Non-US #1
Just put the baby blades into the bag. I was expecting to play them PW - 6 iron, and keep my CB202s for 5/4.



But I crush the 7/6/5/4 irons and can't hit the 8/9/PW to save my life. It's weird. Has anybody had this happen? The mid / long irons are amazing - but I find myself mishitting the short ones in every embarrassing way possible. Weird, right?

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  • BigmeanBigmean Everything is Relative Members Posts: 4,923 ✭✭
    Weird.



    If it helps, it took me an abnormally long time to feel comfortable with the pw. Like I mis hit it and couldn't get it close for too long after I got the set. Which was weird because 9 is one of my favorite irons. It went away. Birdied off the wedge last weekend....
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Formerly Known As RaidersGolf99) Foxboro, MAMembers Posts: 2,406 ✭✭
    I CAN play 5-P.

    I CHOOSE to play 6-P.



    I've always had a man crush on the 9 and PW within this set.



    I originally bought the 4 iron too, but I never hit it within a round nor could I hit it. Better off shaving with it. Sold it.



    Can hit the 5 iron but prefer using it as an aiming stick laying on the ground. Lol.



    6-P is my comfort zone. I gotta be swinging just right to get the best of the 6 iron.



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  • tsupotsupo ClubWRX Posts: 1,193 ✭✭
    prob bec the goose neck comes more into play with the scoring irons, I get similar sometimes so I tend to play honma

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  • appilagsappilags Members Posts: 192
    What are your specs?

    Too much upright lie angle in short irons, especially wedges, can lead to contact closer to the heel.
  • calhoun.cocalhoun.co Members Posts: 95
    I just got fitted for my miura's and they seem fine
  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Formerly Known As RaidersGolf99) Foxboro, MAMembers Posts: 2,406 ✭✭
    appilags wrote:


    What are your specs?

    Too much upright lie angle in short irons, especially wedges, can lead to contact closer to the heel.




    Wait ... What?
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,905 ✭✭
    any chance your tall or short armed or both and the short irons are too short? I ask because I have this problem with standard lengths... I play plus 1 inch pw with 1/4 increments UP from that.... us tall guys have to ( or should ) fit from wedges up..not 5 iron out....
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  • WannabePaperTigerWannabePaperTiger Members Posts: 169 ✭✭
    are your mishits closer to the heel or toe? i think some more info would help. i had some trouble with the 8-pw as well when i got them initially - contact was everywhere - until i realized for some reason i was gripping the clubs too hard, go figure.
  • raynorfan1raynorfan1 Members Posts: 3,541 ✭✭
    edited May 11, 2016 #10


    are your mishits closer to the heel or toe? i think some more info would help. i had some trouble with the 8-pw as well when i got them initially - contact was everywhere - until i realized for some reason i was gripping the clubs too hard, go figure.




    Mishits are mostly thin on the heel side. Grip pressure might be the answer - I am hyper-conscious of grip pressure in longer irons, but do tend to strangle the shorter ones...
  • BuzzkillBuzzkill Marshals Posts: 6,762 mod
    edited May 11, 2016 #11
    I had a set and loved them - just got bored with them like all iron sets. Anyway, I had problems with my PW only and found out it was 3 degrees upright - I play my irons 2 degrees flat. Had lie adjusted to my specs and it was good to go - no more issues.
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  • bluejeeprubibluejeeprubi Members Posts: 1,068 ✭✭
    Bigmean wrote:
    Weird.



    If it helps, it took me an abnormally long time to feel comfortable with the pw. Like I mis hit it and couldn't get it close for too long after I got the set. Which was weird because 9 is one of my favorite irons. It went away. Birdied off the wedge last weekend....




    I really enjoyed mine, heck even had a hole in one with the 7. However, I could not get the pw to work for me. Like bigmean said I loved, loved the 9 iron. This actually made me only go 4-9 with me cobra pros and match my pw to my sand and lob.



    Even though I love my Cobras, part of me is debating on another set of baby blades with some amts....minus the pw of course.



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  • BigmeanBigmean Everything is Relative Members Posts: 4,923 ✭✭
    Interesting....I have been playing my best golf ever recently and other than a tugged PW left yesterday, I have been scoring with it. It went away, but I have thought about a "wedge" style pw as well.



    The baby blades are amazing irons. I am another year away from needing to consider stocking up good condition used sets of these to be able to have them forever. Do they still make?sell these?
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  • JDLAJDLA Members Posts: 159 ✭✭
    Man I wish I had a set of these. Are these your everyday gamers?
  • rebbyrebby CNH 320 ClubWRX Posts: 2,178 ✭✭
    I can relate. When I first got my baby blades it took me a little longer to adjust to the short irons than the long irons. Once I got used to the look and dialed in the lie angles though (short irons are currently slightly flat compared to long irons), I've been very happy with them. As for the long irons, to this day, I still carry the 2-iron on a very regular basis.
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  • raynorfan1raynorfan1 Members Posts: 3,541 ✭✭
    Yeah, quick update. Problem solved. It just took some time to adapt to the short irons (though I really don't have a good explanation of why).



    Also, from a "am I good enough to hit these" perspective, I'm a ~12 handicap, and have been tracking "shots lost" on account of the Baby Blade vs. a GI club (basically, a mishit that leaves me worse off than intended, typically short). So far this year (~50 rounds), I'm averaging about half a shot lost per round, which is pretty acceptable to me, because I do feel like playing these every day has overall improved my ballstriking. The other mitigating factor is that I tend to miss a little bit thin, which results in lower trajectory (and spin), but similar overall distance.
  • BigmeanBigmean Everything is Relative Members Posts: 4,923 ✭✭
    edited Jun 29, 2016 #17
    JDLA wrote:


    Man I wish I had a set of these. Are these your everyday gamers?




    Covered in filth and dirt from yesterday's 27 after work as I type this!



    They can be had for around a grand all day on ebay, and if it sounds expensive, it is, but they need to be pro rated for as long as you will use them with no desire to play anything else............ and they become quite a value image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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  • rebbyrebby CNH 320 ClubWRX Posts: 2,178 ✭✭
    Bigmean wrote:

    JDLA wrote:


    Man I wish I had a set of these. Are these your everyday gamers?




    Covered in filth and dirt from yesterday's 27 after work as I type this!



    They can be had for around a grand all day on ebay, and if it sounds expensive, it is, but they need to be pro rated for as long as you will use them with no desire to play anything else............ and they become quite a value image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    Ding, ding, ding!!!! Since the day that I first put my 1957s in play, the ONLY set of irons that I've even contemplated putting in the bag for any length of time is my OTHER set of 1957s.
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  • raynorfan1raynorfan1 Members Posts: 3,541 ✭✭
    rebby wrote:

    Bigmean wrote:

    JDLA wrote:


    Man I wish I had a set of these. Are these your everyday gamers?




    Covered in filth and dirt from yesterday's 27 after work as I type this!



    They can be had for around a grand all day on ebay, and if it sounds expensive, it is, but they need to be pro rated for as long as you will use them with no desire to play anything else............ and they become quite a value image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    Ding, ding, ding!!!! Since the day that I first put my 1957s in play, the ONLY set of irons that I've even contemplated putting in the bag for any length of time is my OTHER set of 1957s.




    I'm tempted by the cb57s. Haven't hit them, but my ideal state (I think) is to have both.
  • Faking-it-with-bladesFaking-it-with-blades Members Posts: 109 ✭✭
    tsupo wrote:


    prob bec the goose neck comes more into play with the scoring irons, I get similar sometimes so I tend to play honma




    ^^^what he said. I currently play the small blades and (counter-intuitively) I love the look of the 4-7, but am still getting used to the look of the 8-PW. My one knock on the small blades is that there is a pretty abrupt visual difference between the 7i and 8i. In the 8i-PW, the goose neck is significantly more pronounced. For me (and I'm guessing for others) this goose neck gives the illusion of significant offset, even though the actual offset is basically non-existing. I previously played (and loved) the Mizuno MP4 blades, and for the above-mentioned reason am debating going back to the MP4s. That said, even if I were to switch, I'd keep the Baby Blades around for the cool factor.
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Formerly Known As RaidersGolf99) Foxboro, MAMembers Posts: 2,406 ✭✭
    raynorfan1 wrote:

    rebby wrote:

    Bigmean wrote:

    JDLA wrote:


    Man I wish I had a set of these. Are these your everyday gamers?




    Covered in filth and dirt from yesterday's 27 after work as I type this!



    They can be had for around a grand all day on ebay, and if it sounds expensive, it is, but they need to be pro rated for as long as you will use them with no desire to play anything else............ and they become quite a value image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    Ding, ding, ding!!!! Since the day that I first put my 1957s in play, the ONLY set of irons that I've even contemplated putting in the bag for any length of time is my OTHER set of 1957s.




    I'm tempted by the cb57s. Haven't hit them, but my ideal state (I think) is to have both.




    I did this. And yea, my CB-57's sit pretty idol. I've had them for a few months now and the only Iron that has been hit is the 6 Iron. The 6 Iron is gamed alongside my Baby Blades (a high lofted Driving Iron so to speak). The 5, 7-P are still unhit. The Baby Blades are too good!!
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  • BigmeanBigmean Everything is Relative Members Posts: 4,923 ✭✭
    Hmm, the goose neck doesn't bother me much. Actually the 9 is the my favorite club. The offset is not there but the kink is.



    I will say, the 7/8 transition on my vega raf cms bothered me so much I had to sell them and I really liked that set otherwise so I get it. If there is a mental block it is super hard to get past.
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Formerly Known As RaidersGolf99) Foxboro, MAMembers Posts: 2,406 ✭✭
    Bigmean wrote:


    Hmm, the goose neck doesn't bother me much. Actually the 9 is the my favorite club. The offset is not there but the kink is.



    I will say, the 7/8 transition on my vega raf cms bothered me so much I had to sell them and I really liked that set otherwise so I get it. If there is a mental block it is super hard to get past.




    Ditto the feeling towards the 9 Iron.
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  • 3riC3riC Members Posts: 196 ✭✭
    not sure if it relates to my BB, but my hcp has continue to slowly drop (it was already on a downward trajectory before i got my BB) and now i'm sitting a personal best hcp



    i play the full 3 - Pw set and the struggles have more been in the longer clubs



    with Pw or 9i i find the ball moves in the air a lot more and haven't really worked out how to control it consistently......but overall i wouldn't swap these for any other clubs in the market right now.



    can't name ANYthing else i'd rather have
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  • Faking-it-with-bladesFaking-it-with-blades Members Posts: 109 ✭✭
    edited Aug 29, 2018 #25
    Following up here, with one suggestion from personal experience; CHECK THE SWINGWEIGHT PROGRESSION within your set. Like a few others have experienced, I was smoking the 4-7 iron but struggling with 8i through lob wedge (I had Miura wedges built at same time as my irons). Having purchased a swingweight scale, and experimenting with my other irons (Mizuno MP4), I'm now pretty confident that I like my 4i-PW to swingweight at D5.



    So I got my Baby Blades out of the closet and measured swingweights. ***The 4i-7i were at D6 but my 8i through PW were D7 to D7.5. My SW was D8.5!!*** (No wonder my wedge swing felt off)



    Club Champion built these for me and I wonder if they just measured the 6-iron and assumed that Miura weighted these for uniform SW, as opposed to Miura's stated design of leaving extra weight in the hosel to allow for swingweight progression. In short, I'm gonna take these to Izett and ask them to SW them at D5 throughout the set and see how that goes.



    UPDATE: As planned, I took these to Izett Golf (amazing local club builder) and had them balance these appropriately, which required removing significant weight from the hosels of short-irons and wedges. These are now back in the bag and feel / perform fantastic throughout the set. Just goes to show...no matter how high-quality the club components, there's no substitute for correct and consistent build quality.
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    4i-PW: Miura 1957 Baby Blades w/ Project X LZ (6.5)
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  • raynorfan1raynorfan1 Members Posts: 3,541 ✭✭
    Whatever it was, I got over it. Now the 8i is my favorite club in the bag.



    Could have been swingweight related as I reshafted them at some point.
  • kaaayelllkaaayelll Members Posts: 802 ✭✭
    BB step about 8g from 8i-9i and 10g from 9i-Pw. That is true of almost all I’ve weighed and sorted. If you set was not weight sorted, the variations can be slightly greater (eg, if you 7i was on the slightly light side and the 8i on the slightly heavy).
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