DIY Spine Finder

CarloGolferCarloGolfer ClubWRX Posts: 2,497
edited Jan 8, 2011 in WRX Club Techs #1
yours for about $10
In the spirit of the DIY Shaft Puller thread ([url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/426268-diy-shaft-puller/"]http://www.golfwrx.c...y-shaft-puller/[/url]), I thought I'd post a DIY Spine Finder I made for about $10.



You will need four items.



You will need a 1" PVC coupling.

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  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,119 ✭✭


    In the spirit of the DIY Shaft Puller thread ([url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/426268-diy-shaft-puller/"]http://www.golfwrx.c...y-shaft-puller/[/url]), I thought I'd post a DIY Spine Finder I made for about $10.



    You will need four items.



    You will need a 1" PVC coupling.





    can someone post a video of using a bearing to find the spine to make this thread more complete?
  • ode1ode1 Members Posts: 2,835 ✭✭


    In the spirit of the DIY Shaft Puller thread ([url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/426268-diy-shaft-puller/"]http://www.golfwrx.c...y-shaft-puller/[/url]), I thought I'd post a DIY Spine Finder I made for about $10.



    You will need four items.



    You will need a 1" PVC coupling.





    Funny, that's the exact same set up that I have. I went to lowes and was going to get a foot of regular PVC but when looking around saw the pvc/coupling, went back to the bearings isle and they fit perfectly in the ends after **** the caps on.
  • pclarke33pclarke33 Members Posts: 130
    i made one very similar using a metal lathe, when i have time, i'll post pics.
  • VendettaVendetta Fanatic Members Posts: 504
    About the WD40, I had a lot of experience will ball bearings like that.

    Use WD40 to CLEAN the bearings. WD40 is NOT a lubricant.

    Use a thin viscous lubricant like this one:

    [url="http://www.yoyonation.com/product.php?productid=16220&cat=260&page=1"]http://www.yoyonation.com/product.php?productid=16220&cat=260&page=1[/url]



    Just touch the exposed part of the bearing to the tip, as to get less lube than a drop.

    Then spin the bearing on the end of a pin for a good amount of time, so the bearing can spin freely.

    Dont use dry bearings, as they will basically ruin it over time.
  • ckp1680ckp1680 Members Posts: 33
    Just read this this morning and an hour later after a trip to ace hardware I'm done. Great post!



    I didn't even need to epoxy the bearings in as the rubber pieces inside the PVC coupling hold it perfectlygood.gif
  • mister2coolmister2cool Members Posts: 3,710 ✭✭
    how does this work?
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  • CarloGolferCarloGolfer ClubWRX Posts: 2,497
    here's a video of a guy discussing the concept



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    the concept, by the way, is still debated as being useful in any way
  • vietnameehvietnameeh HIT BALL FAR NOT BALL STRAIGHT Members Posts: 1,887 ✭✭
    i was at lowed and could not for the life of me find sealed bearings...



    when i ask the workers... they shrug their shoulders lol
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  • Nick WestNick West Members Posts: 383


    here's a video of a guy discussing the concept



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    the concept, by the way, is still debated as being useful in any way






    I don't use the bearing method, but I'm wondering why it is debated. It seems like it should be pretty easy to figure it out. Just use the bearing method on four or five shafts, mark where you think the spine is, and then cross-reference it on an accepted machine. Then you can see what the margin of error is, if there is any, and if it's really legit.



    Is there more to it than that?
  • tx33tx33 Members Posts: 454
    Nick West wrote:


    I don't use the bearing method, but I'm wondering why it is debated. It seems like it should be pretty easy to figure it out. Just use the bearing method on four or five shafts, mark where you think the spine is, and then cross-reference it on an accepted machine. Then you can see what the margin of error is, if there is any, and if it's really legit.

    Is there more to it than that?




    It's not so much the bearing method I think, but more how to install the shaft when the "spine planes" are found. Using the bearing method in combination with the laser method you should be able to find the most 'stable' plane. On how to orient the found planes in the head (12/6h or 9/3h) many conflicting opinions exist.
  • VendettaVendetta Fanatic Members Posts: 504
    The debated topic is if spining a shaft yields any performance increase at all.
  • BlakeBstoneBlakeBstone Members Posts: 2,415 ✭✭
    Vendetta wrote:


    The debated topic is if spining a shaft yields any performance increase at all.




    not much to debate...it doesnt.
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  • vietnameehvietnameeh HIT BALL FAR NOT BALL STRAIGHT Members Posts: 1,887 ✭✭
    what area should i be looking for these bearings.... apparently no one at lowes or home depot in my area carry them... or they just don tknow
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  • TucsonGolferTucsonGolfer Members Posts: 1,440
    You should make a couple of these, Maybe a cleaner way if possible? Or Durable? Anyhow, I would pick one up built for probably $15-20 because I am lazy.
  • TightenUpROOKIETightenUpROOKIE Smashing Dingers Florida<—>Cape CodMembers Posts: 1,115 ✭✭
    Most companies already cut a notch in their graphite shafts in which the spine is, I know Miyazaki does this & when was at my club makers using his it came to the exact notch they had cut into the butt. But like SST, don't know if it makes enough difference to matter on the HIGH end shafts out there.
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  • Nick WestNick West Members Posts: 383

    Vendetta wrote:


    The debated topic is if spining a shaft yields any performance increase at all.




    not much to debate...it doesnt.




    Yeah, as best as I can figure, the claim that it "helps with consistancy" doesn't make much sense. The club is going to be relatively "consistant" no matter which way you have the spine oriented in the head.

    If the spine does have any kind of affect in the swing, it's going to affect the degree in which the shaft deflects under load. So, even if the spine is not "properly" aligned, it's still going to be perfectly consistant, it's just that it's going to have more or less shaft deflection, that's all.....something that will inevitably be compensated for in your swing.
  • paulskipaulski Members Posts: 7
    I just made one of these with some parts from the Ace hardware. I live in a college town, so the prices could have been better, but Im not complaining. jsut over $20 all day.



    (3) 5/8 inch fasteners at 4.40 each

    (1) pvc coupler was 4.99

    (1) household super oil 2.79



    followed the instruction in the beginning of this post, however, i was able to avoid using any epoxy for the bearings in the pipe. the coupler had some black rubber rings that were almost an inch thick. too small to fit the bearing into, but i just sliced them so they went around the bearing about 95% of the way. Kind of jammed that into the pvc pipe and screwed on the fitting and voila- perfect.



    one last note, the store had bearing that were closer to $20 each which I briefly considered buying (im sure the man in the youtube video above used something that was top of the line). after lubing up the cheapo bearing, they do the job way better than i thought they would. the grease that was in them at the store was pretty stiff, but a little oil really did the trick.



    hope this helps



    Paul
  • ArnieArnie Arnie Members Posts: 426 ✭✭
    vietnameeh wrote:


    what area should i be looking for these bearings.... apparently no one at lowes or home depot in my area carry them... or they just don tknow


    In the hardware section where they have all those metal drawers. The best bearing are water pump sealed bearings. No need to lubricate these.

    Not cheap about $6 each.

    Take the coupling with you - the right bearing will just drop in the end snugly without the rubber seal - no adhesive needed.
  • stage1350stage1350 If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything. Members Posts: 10,238 ✭✭
    I bought the JB's prefab one on eBay close to a decade ago. Still going strong and I use it for everyone that isn't picky about logo orientation.



    Arguing performance gains aside, there's no reason NOT to do it if you are building. Follow it up with a FLO test to compensate for club weighting and offset. All I know is that I've never had anyone dissatisfied with my builds.
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  • zink357zink357 Members Posts: 107
    edited Oct 28, 2012 #21
    stage1350 wrote:


    Arguing performance gains aside, there's no reason NOT to do it if you are building. Follow it up with a FLO test to compensate for club weighting and offset. All I know is that I've never had anyone dissatisfied with my builds.




    This.



    Definately do the FLO test because the different head will change where you should line up the spine. Do the FLO test with the spine at a 90* angle from where it should be and you'll see why it "might" affect performance. It convinced me.
  • TucsonGolferTucsonGolfer Members Posts: 1,440

    Vendetta wrote:


    The debated topic is if spining a shaft yields any performance increase at all.




    not much to debate...it doesnt.




    Which is exactly why there is a debate.

    There is a difference. Put a spined shaft into a frequency machine and get the number. Then flip it 90* ( not spined) and get the frequency. In many shafts you will see a huge difference. I noticed with Fujikura shafts that they have the most difference from hard side to soft side. Often 12-15 CPM's.



    To the poster that I quoted.



    Build 2 sets. 2 sets of exact same head weights, swing weights, loft and lie, same weight shafts, then spine a set, then completely non-spined side. See your dispersion change, and frequency of the shafts change.
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,529 ✭✭


    Vendetta wrote:


    The debated topic is if spining a shaft yields any performance increase at all.




    not much to debate...it doesnt.




    Which is exactly why there is a debate.

    There is a difference. Put a spined shaft into a frequency machine and get the number. Then flip it 90* ( not spined) and get the frequency. In many shafts you will see a huge difference. I noticed with Fujikura shafts that they have the most difference from hard side to soft side. Often 12-15 CPM's.



    To the poster that I quoted.



    Build 2 sets. 2 sets of exact same head weights, swing weights, loft and lie, same weight shafts, then spine a set, then completely non-spined side. See your dispersion change, and frequency of the shafts change.




    So, if all shafts in a set of irons is aligned using the soft side against target, dispersion will be good, but if you install them all using the strong side against target line, dispersion will suffer? Why is that?

    What happens if you are using soft side on some, and the strong side on others to make them fit into a flex slope as a set?
  • neilcneilc Members Posts: 1,663
    edited Oct 28, 2013 #24


    here's a video of a guy discussing the concept



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    the concept, by the way, is still debated as being useful in any way










    Its a English guy who retired to Thailand.sells also groove sharpeners on Ebay etc



    Know him well
  • FrothFroth steel power. Members Posts: 2,475
    If you are using a tool like this to find a "spine", be sure you're aware of residual bend and a host of other factors before giving the "spine" it finds any real worth. If a shaft with ZERO Spine was put into a device such as this that had a residual bend that even the eye could not freely spot, this "DIY" Finder, will identify that residual bend that is in the shaft as a spine. Is it a spine? no.
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  • mikewohlwendmikewohlwend ClubWRX Posts: 334 ClubWRX

    Hate to bump such an old post, but I can't find bearings in any of the drawers at Lowe's. Anyone have a part number to look for?

  • platgofplatgof platgof ClubWRX Posts: 1,430 ClubWRX

    Find the dimensions you need and order them off ebay, i.d. and o.d.

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  • platgofplatgof platgof ClubWRX Posts: 1,430 ClubWRX
    edited Apr 21, 2019 7:53pm #28

    I had some cheap shafts and put one together that was pretty amazing for how long it was. Cheap shafts are a lot of fun when spined and floed. I prefer flo. You can cork a shaft and float it, spine on top.

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    I was hoping to pick them up and not wait on them to be shipped. I’ll have to look there and at McMaster Carr.

  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers Posts: 23,062 ✭✭
    edited Apr 22, 2019 7:28am #30

    I wouldn't bother. Bearing based spine finders have pretty much been shown to be extremely unreliable at finding the shaft spines. If you really feel the need to spine your shafts (which is another can of worms I wont go into in this thread) - use FLO and butt frequency.
    https://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/allAboutSpines2.php

    although these are better starting points.
    https://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/allAboutSpines.php
    https://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/allAboutSpines1.php

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