Don't Bump

[NikeGolferTX]

To clarify:

 

AMG says the hips go forward 4-5 inches but the torso does NOT hang back.

 

But they don't believe the solution to fix this is to be taught to hang back with both the upper and lower body (GG).

This is where I disagree with AMG. For an exaggeration feel, hanging back on both might help you from keeping the torso from hanging back and you might still naturally move forward.

 

Solutions don't do the same thing for everyone. Having someone try something might yield 2 or more different results for different people.

 

But most agree that bumping generally makes the torso hang back...but maybe not for everybody.

 

Golf is weird like that.

 

A little more diplomatic here than on Instagram Jordan.

I mean AMG did throw some shade at GG's teaching methods indirectly in their Youtube video comments lol

 

Its all good.

 

But on Instagram I am essentially saying the same thing.

Try it: Tilt your hips (lead side of pelvis low) and try to rotate while maintaining this and tell me you don't move forward.

I believe nearly everyone will move forward if they put weight into the lead heel.

 

I just followed you, digging the instruction!

[MPStrat]

I like their stuff and I like GG's stuff. People disagree on how to teach the golf swing, what else is new

[Mark Gardner]

Baseball pitchers and batter all bump. But I've not seen a javelin thrower bump.

Javelin throwers already have momentum toward the target and lead leg (running).

[ebrasmus21]

To clarify:

 

AMG says the hips go forward 4-5 inches but the torso does NOT hang back.

 

But they don't believe the solution to fix this is to be taught to hang back with both the upper and lower body (GG).

This is where I disagree with AMG. For an exaggeration feel, hanging back on both might help you from keeping the torso from hanging back and you might still naturally move forward.

 

Solutions don't do the same thing for everyone. Having someone try something might yield 2 or more different results for different people.

 

But most agree that bumping generally makes the torso hang back...but maybe not for everybody.

 

Golf is weird like that.

 

A little more diplomatic here than on Instagram Jordan.

I mean AMG did throw some shade at GG's teaching methods indirectly in their Youtube video comments lol

 

Its all good.

 

But on Instagram I am essentially saying the same thing.

Try it: Tilt your hips (lead side of pelvis low) and try to rotate while maintaining this and tell me you don't move forward.

I believe nearly everyone will move forward if they put weight into the lead heel.

 

I just followed you, digging the instruction!

 

NikeGolfer - I have a random question for you. Nike is the first word in your username and you have some TM blades in your avatar - is there a joke I'm missing?

[Poser]

To clarify:

 

AMG says the hips go forward 4-5 inches but the torso does NOT hang back.

 

But they don't believe the solution to fix this is to be taught to hang back with both the upper and lower body (GG).

This is where I disagree with AMG. For an exaggeration feel, hanging back on both might help you from keeping the torso from hanging back and you might still naturally move forward.

 

Solutions don't do the same thing for everyone. Having someone try something might yield 2 or more different results for different people.

 

But most agree that bumping generally makes the torso hang back...but maybe not for everybody.

 

Golf is weird like that.

 

A little more diplomatic here than on Instagram Jordan.

I mean AMG did throw some shade at GG's teaching methods indirectly in their Youtube video comments lol

 

Its all good.

 

But on Instagram I am essentially saying the same thing.

Try it: Tilt your hips (lead side of pelvis low) and try to rotate while maintaining this and tell me you don't move forward.

I believe nearly everyone will move forward if they put weight into the lead heel.

 

I just followed you, digging the instruction!

 

NikeGolfer - I have a random question for you. Nike is the first word in your username and you have some TM blades in your avatar - is there a joke I'm missing?

 

You do realize Nike doesn't make golf clubs anymore right

[ebrasmus21]

To clarify:

 

AMG says the hips go forward 4-5 inches but the torso does NOT hang back.

 

But they don't believe the solution to fix this is to be taught to hang back with both the upper and lower body (GG).

This is where I disagree with AMG. For an exaggeration feel, hanging back on both might help you from keeping the torso from hanging back and you might still naturally move forward.

 

Solutions don't do the same thing for everyone. Having someone try something might yield 2 or more different results for different people.

 

But most agree that bumping generally makes the torso hang back...but maybe not for everybody.

 

Golf is weird like that.

 

A little more diplomatic here than on Instagram Jordan.

I mean AMG did throw some shade at GG's teaching methods indirectly in their Youtube video comments lol

 

Its all good.

 

But on Instagram I am essentially saying the same thing.

Try it: Tilt your hips (lead side of pelvis low) and try to rotate while maintaining this and tell me you don't move forward.

I believe nearly everyone will move forward if they put weight into the lead heel.

 

I just followed you, digging the instruction!

 

NikeGolfer - I have a random question for you. Nike is the first word in your username and you have some TM blades in your avatar - is there a joke I'm missing?

 

You do realize Nike doesn't make golf clubs anymore right

 

Poser, don't be a turd.

[Kuuuch]

Interesting topic. I was on a huge GG kick for awhile and I definitely went too far with the external knee leg work. My last lesson with Dan was around me not extending enough from right before p6 to impact and it seems like its been a common occurrence in my own swing.

 

I now strive to have the left hip work around while the pressure moves to my left heel and inner right foot then focus on extending up into impact from just before p6. I'm now trying to just keep the leg work simple but I do like using the resistance band that you'll see Julian Suri use from Dan's instagram.

[CoiledUP]

Some thread here, just what all confused golfers need.

 

First, and in no disparaging terms, we have Monte demonstrating Bump, Dump, and Turn in a video only to later post the video isn't really promoting a bump. Then an AMG video suggests dropping a ball held between the knees, or even by implication dropping a range basket held by the knees, is not a good drill as it may have golfers chase a look by artificially separating the legs as an intent instead of allowing dynamics to produce the appearance.

 

Next we have FtWorthPro defining for us that which makes up a proper lateral motion using current "good" tour players as his opinion and measurement template, making it sound as if there is one, and only one, way to employ lateral motion which we all know is not correct by any stretch. Again, nothing wrong with a claim backed by measured analysis, however to imply, if that was the case, tour players not moving laterally in that manner would not be "good" players simply fails to recognize tour players from other eras. It's also interesting that Monte's Bump and Dump video would be type movement not anywhere close to what FtWorthPro is suggesting good players do. They seem to stand in complete opposition, which is fine too.

 

As for AMG, in my estimation nothing more than pure unadulterated marketing overkill. Now if AMG can start to address some of the type questions presented by juststeve, then I'm listening.

[NikeGolferTX]

To clarify:

 

AMG says the hips go forward 4-5 inches but the torso does NOT hang back.

 

But they don't believe the solution to fix this is to be taught to hang back with both the upper and lower body (GG).

This is where I disagree with AMG. For an exaggeration feel, hanging back on both might help you from keeping the torso from hanging back and you might still naturally move forward.

 

Solutions don't do the same thing for everyone. Having someone try something might yield 2 or more different results for different people.

 

But most agree that bumping generally makes the torso hang back...but maybe not for everybody.

 

Golf is weird like that.

 

A little more diplomatic here than on Instagram Jordan.

I mean AMG did throw some shade at GG's teaching methods indirectly in their Youtube video comments lol

 

Its all good.

 

But on Instagram I am essentially saying the same thing.

Try it: Tilt your hips (lead side of pelvis low) and try to rotate while maintaining this and tell me you don't move forward.

I believe nearly everyone will move forward if they put weight into the lead heel.

 

I just followed you, digging the instruction!

 

NikeGolfer - I have a random question for you. Nike is the first word in your username and you have some TM blades in your avatar - is there a joke I'm missing?

Apparel, shoes...

[Fort Worth Pro]

Some thread here, just what all confused golfers need.

 

First, and in no disparaging terms, we have Monte demonstrating Bump, Dump, and Turn in a video only to later post the video isn't really promoting a bump. Then an AMG video suggests dropping a ball held between the knees, or even by implication dropping a range basket held by the knees, is not a good drill as it may have golfers chase a look by artificially separating the legs as an intent instead of allowing dynamics to produce the appearance.

 

Next we have FtWorthPro defining for us that which makes up a proper lateral motion using current "good" tour players as his opinion and measurement template, making it sound as if there is one, and only one, way to employ lateral motion which we all know is not correct by any stretch. Again, nothing wrong with a claim backed by measured analysis, however to imply, if that was the case, tour players not moving laterally in that manner would not be "good" players simply fails to recognize tour players from other eras. It's also interesting that Monte's Bump and Dump video would be type movement not anywhere close to what FtWorthPro is suggesting good players do. They seem to stand in complete opposition, which is fine too.

 

As for AMG, in my estimation nothing more than pure unadulterated marketing overkill. Now if AMG can start to address some of the type questions presented by juststeve, then I'm listening.

 

 

 

Yeah, just current good players ?

 

[CoiledUP]

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Not seeing center of rib cage being stacked over and in front of pelvic center.

[RBImGuy]

This is something I completely agree with. Low lead hip and no bumping.

 

From George Gankas:

 

First off this post isn’t directed towards any player or any coach out there so let that be known. I’ve bumped my hips in transition most my life and I got pretty good at golf. There’s so many great players who have some form of a bump in transition but is that the reason they are good at golf ? I’d love to see how different really good players would have been if they had different lower body transitions, would they have been better ball strikers than they are now.? We will never know. I do like pressure to shift forward in transition just not as much body mass as most like but lead side of pelvis lower in transition will do this without having to push off trail leg in transition. This allows us to open up and not stall out through impact also leading to more torque and vertical forces . Most of us have to push off trail leg in transition because of set up or to much pressure gets shifted to backside in backswing, which can work if done with the right matchups in transition. There’s lots of matchups that work and we see some really cool ones on tour that we wouldn’t ask our own players to try but they still work. There is no right or wrong way but there is definitely more efficient ways we can do things. Remember all that matters in ball-striking is solid contact, distance control and missing on correct sides of pins also known as controlling curve, speed is always a bonus.

 

http://www.instagram...eorgegankasgolf

 

Its a merry go round with these gurus.

AMG dont understand their own data and just talks about it.

and Gankas?

seriously?

 

Regardless of what he says..it seems to be a dig at athletic motion golf. Because everything they put out on instagram is a direct contradiction to what he wants you to "feel". With all the modern technology we have (3d, force plates, etc) we really know now what the best players in the world are actually doing and when they do it. Now the question is what should they be doing??

 

Mark crossfield hits it 50 meters shorter than a student of mine, he is a golf guru?

so he makes a video adding 6 yards and I am like, seems silly enough.

 

Grabbing popcorn and waiting for the common struggling and short hitting guys here comments.

None here understands power in the golf swing

 

 

[ebrasmus21]

This is something I completely agree with. Low lead hip and no bumping.

 

From George Gankas:

 

First off this post isn’t directed towards any player or any coach out there so let that be known. I’ve bumped my hips in transition most my life and I got pretty good at golf. There’s so many great players who have some form of a bump in transition but is that the reason they are good at golf ? I’d love to see how different really good players would have been if they had different lower body transitions, would they have been better ball strikers than they are now.? We will never know. I do like pressure to shift forward in transition just not as much body mass as most like but lead side of pelvis lower in transition will do this without having to push off trail leg in transition. This allows us to open up and not stall out through impact also leading to more torque and vertical forces . Most of us have to push off trail leg in transition because of set up or to much pressure gets shifted to backside in backswing, which can work if done with the right matchups in transition. There’s lots of matchups that work and we see some really cool ones on tour that we wouldn’t ask our own players to try but they still work. There is no right or wrong way but there is definitely more efficient ways we can do things. Remember all that matters in ball-striking is solid contact, distance control and missing on correct sides of pins also known as controlling curve, speed is always a bonus.

 

http://www.instagram...eorgegankasgolf

 

Its a merry go round with these gurus.

AMG dont understand their own data and just talks about it.

and Gankas?

seriously?

 

Regardless of what he says..it seems to be a dig at athletic motion golf. Because everything they put out on instagram is a direct contradiction to what he wants you to "feel". With all the modern technology we have (3d, force plates, etc) we really know now what the best players in the world are actually doing and when they do it. Now the question is what should they be doing?

 

Mark crossfield hits it 50 meters shorter than a student of mine, he is a golf guru?

so he makes a video adding 6 yards and I am like, seems silly enough.

 

Grabbing popcorn and waiting for the common struggling and short hitting guys here comments.

None here understands power in the golf swing

 

 

 

Welcome, RBImGuy, welcome :nyam:

[mudge]

This is something I completely agree with. Low lead hip and no bumping.

 

From George Gankas:

 

First off this post isn’t directed towards any player or any coach out there so let that be known. I’ve bumped my hips in transition most my life and I got pretty good at golf. There’s so many great players who have some form of a bump in transition but is that the reason they are good at golf ? I’d love to see how different really good players would have been if they had different lower body transitions, would they have been better ball strikers than they are now.? We will never know. I do like pressure to shift forward in transition just not as much body mass as most like but lead side of pelvis lower in transition will do this without having to push off trail leg in transition. This allows us to open up and not stall out through impact also leading to more torque and vertical forces . Most of us have to push off trail leg in transition because of set up or to much pressure gets shifted to backside in backswing, which can work if done with the right matchups in transition. There’s lots of matchups that work and we see some really cool ones on tour that we wouldn’t ask our own players to try but they still work. There is no right or wrong way but there is definitely more efficient ways we can do things. Remember all that matters in ball-striking is solid contact, distance control and missing on correct sides of pins also known as controlling curve, speed is always a bonus.

 

http://www.instagram...eorgegankasgolf

 

Its a merry go round with these gurus.

AMG dont understand their own data and just talks about it.

and Gankas?

seriously?

 

Regardless of what he says..it seems to be a dig at athletic motion golf. Because everything they put out on instagram is a direct contradiction to what he wants you to "feel". With all the modern technology we have (3d, force plates, etc) we really know now what the best players in the world are actually doing and when they do it. Now the question is what should they be doing?��

 

Mark crossfield hits it 50 meters shorter than a student of mine, he is a golf guru?

so he makes a video adding 6 yards and I am like, seems silly enough.

 

Grabbing popcorn and waiting for the common struggling and short hitting guys here comments.

None here understands power in the golf swing

 

 

 

Welcome, RBImGuy, welcome :nyam:

 

Is there any way to get RBImGuy banned, from this subforum at least? All he does is ruin perfectly good threads.

[ebrasmus21]

This is something I completely agree with. Low lead hip and no bumping.

 

From George Gankas:

 

First off this post isn’t directed towards any player or any coach out there so let that be known. I’ve bumped my hips in transition most my life and I got pretty good at golf. There’s so many great players who have some form of a bump in transition but is that the reason they are good at golf ? I’d love to see how different really good players would have been if they had different lower body transitions, would they have been better ball strikers than they are now.? We will never know. I do like pressure to shift forward in transition just not as much body mass as most like but lead side of pelvis lower in transition will do this without having to push off trail leg in transition. This allows us to open up and not stall out through impact also leading to more torque and vertical forces . Most of us have to push off trail leg in transition because of set up or to much pressure gets shifted to backside in backswing, which can work if done with the right matchups in transition. There’s lots of matchups that work and we see some really cool ones on tour that we wouldn’t ask our own players to try but they still work. There is no right or wrong way but there is definitely more efficient ways we can do things. Remember all that matters in ball-striking is solid contact, distance control and missing on correct sides of pins also known as controlling curve, speed is always a bonus.

 

http://www.instagram...eorgegankasgolf

 

Its a merry go round with these gurus.

AMG dont understand their own data and just talks about it.

and Gankas?

seriously?

 

Regardless of what he says..it seems to be a dig at athletic motion golf. Because everything they put out on instagram is a direct contradiction to what he wants you to "feel". With all the modern technology we have (3d, force plates, etc) we really know now what the best players in the world are actually doing and when they do it. Now the question is what should they be doing?��

 

Mark crossfield hits it 50 meters shorter than a student of mine, he is a golf guru?

so he makes a video adding 6 yards and I am like, seems silly enough.

 

Grabbing popcorn and waiting for the common struggling and short hitting guys here comments.

None here understands power in the golf swing

 

 

 

Welcome, RBImGuy, welcome :nyam:

 

Is there any way to get RBImGuy banned, from this subforum at least? All he does is ruin perfectly good threads.

 

The randomly placed picture of a ball sitting next to the pin is a nice touch, no?

[CoiledUP]

Here's another, and we love how Jackie @ 2:30 puts a slight smack-down on stacked over operations because you can't throw properly from stacked. So yes, don't bump, just throw.

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[mudge]

The randomly placed picture of a ball sitting next to the pin is a nice touch, no?

 

An even better touch would have been for the post to have been only the picture of the ball next to the hole. Then we would really have to gasp and awe in amazement at the power in RBImGuy's swing.

[mudge]

Here's another, and we love how Jackie @ 2:30 puts a slight smack-down on stacked over operations because you can't throw properly from stacked. So yes, don't bump, just throw.

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But for which golfers is a throw intent beneficial?

[MonteScheinblum]

Some thread here, just what all confused golfers need.

 

First, and in no disparaging terms, we have Monte demonstrating Bump, Dump, and Turn in a video only to later post the video isn't really promoting a bump. Then an AMG video suggests dropping a ball held between the knees, or even by implication dropping a range basket held by the knees, is not a good drill as it may have golfers chase a look by artificially separating the legs as an intent instead of allowing dynamics to produce the appearance.

 

Next we have FtWorthPro defining for us that which makes up a proper lateral motion using current "good" tour players as his opinion and measurement template, making it sound as if there is one, and only one, way to employ lateral motion which we all know is not correct by any stretch. Again, nothing wrong with a claim backed by measured analysis, however to imply, if that was the case, tour players not moving laterally in that manner would not be "good" players simply fails to recognize tour players from other eras. It's also interesting that Monte's Bump and Dump video would be type movement not anywhere close to what FtWorthPro is suggesting good players do. They seem to stand in complete opposition, which is fine too.

 

As for AMG, in my estimation nothing more than pure unadulterated marketing overkill. Now if AMG can start to address some of the type questions presented by juststeve, then I'm listening.

 

That’s not what I said. I said it was a video about sequencing...that the lateral shift and arms linking happens before the turn.

 

I also said it was based on my understanding of the pressure shift 6 years ago, which has changed slightly for the better. However, the net result at impact is the same. Lower body more forward than upper body.

 

There is obviously lateral movement in the pelvis and it happens before roation and that’s what that video is about.

[CoiledUP]

Here's another, and we love how Jackie @ 2:30 puts a slight smack-down on stacked over operations because you can't throw properly from stacked. So yes, don't bump, just throw.

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But for which golfers is a throw intent beneficial?

 

No category for it, it's a choice, you can throw it, drive it, swing it, etc, whatever suits your perception to task. No right or wrong.

[Hilts1969]

Are there any other sports where using the tool to hit the ball requires the correct motion and set up of

 

Feet

Knees

Hips

Torso

Shoulders

Head

Palms

Fingers

Wrists

Elbows

Tail bone

Ear lobes

 

 

[JDIL]

Does Gankas have any face on videos of his students so we can see that they don't bump?

[MPStrat]

Does Gankas have any face on videos of his students so we can see that they don't bump?

 

He says they don’t bump because he defines bump as a slide of the pelvis with an upper body hang back. If you do a YouTube search for bump the hips golf you’ll see that he’s not the only one that defines it that way.

[whatshannenin]

Interesting, this is another George Gankas signature that AMG is covering

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-0oDDd2FJU

 

Before it was gankas it was kelvin and Lucas pushing dual ER in the legs. Dana also talks somewhat about that, and people have for YEARS talked about the "Snead squat".

 

I wonder where they all got it? Rbimguy hasn't shared it with just anyone.....

[Fort Worth Pro]

Here's another, and we love how Jackie @ 2:30 puts a slight smack-down on stacked over operations because you can't throw properly from stacked. So yes, don't bump, just throw.

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Live Jackie Burke jr. He is a treasure and fantastic. This video though is nothing. First, it has nothing measured. It's purely anecdotal. Secondly, Jackie is correct about the load to the right in the backswing. Lastly, what in the world does throwing a club up in the air on a horizontal plane going to teach us about how a body needs to move to hit a ball that is on the ground? Try again. Always great to listen to Jackie even if it's irrelevant to the matter st hand.

[FatReed]

Here's another, and we love how Jackie @ 2:30 puts a slight smack-down on stacked over operations because you can't throw properly from stacked. So yes, don't bump, just throw.

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Live Jackie Burke jr. He is a treasure and fantastic. This video though is nothing. First, it has nothing measured. It's purely anecdotal. Secondly, Jackie is correct about the load to the right in the backswing. Lastly, what in the world does throwing a club up in the air on a horizontal plane going to teach us about how a body needs to move to hit a ball that is on the ground? Try again. Always great to listen to Jackie even if it's irrelevant to the matter st hand.

 

Thank goodness JB didn’t have access to 3D data. . . or other ‘measurements’ of tour players back in the day. Otherwise, he would have been irrelevant. Give us a break with your data already.

[LYG]

You need enough weight movement to get onto left leg....but no more. Hence, no bump needed.

 

IMHO.

[Fort Worth Pro]

Here's another, and we love how Jackie @ 2:30 puts a slight smack-down on stacked over operations because you can't throw properly from stacked. So yes, don't bump, just throw.

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Live Jackie Burke jr. He is a treasure and fantastic. This video though is nothing. First, it has nothing measured. It's purely anecdotal. Secondly, Jackie is correct about the load to the right in the backswing. Lastly, what in the world does throwing a club up in the air on a horizontal plane going to teach us about how a body needs to move to hit a ball that is on the ground? Try again. Always great to listen to Jackie even if it's irrelevant to the matter st hand.

 

Thank goodness JB didn’t have access to 3D data. . . or other ‘measurements’ of tour players back in the day. Otherwise, he would have been irrelevant. Give us a break with your data already.

 

Irrelevant just like all the good players now who have access to 3D data and how its ruined all of them?

[LYG]

You need enough weight movement to get onto left leg....but no more. Hence, no bump needed.

 

IMHO.

[whatshannenin]

When using 3D are you using gathered information or "simulated" in Canadian Nintendo format? If gathered or captured information, how big of a sample?