Ball touching Red line...

[Itsjustagame]

3 minutes ago, Newby said:

A look at the R&A or USGA websites will always get the correct information.

 

Obviuiosly and this is typically where the Google inquiry will send you.

[Newby]

1 minute ago, Itsjustagame said:

Obviuiosly and this is typically where the Google inquiry will send you.

So why bother with google?

[Itsjustagame]

Human nature and convenience. The OP is on the golf course waiting for his turn to hit and concerend about pace of play.

He has a rules question and has a phone with him.

He can get out his phone, open a web browser, navigate to the USGA web site, naviagate to the rules section, navigate to the rules index, and then scroll to the approprate rule. All a bit cumbersome on your phone.

Or he can grab his phione and just say "Hey Google/Siri. What happens if my golf ball is touching a red penalty area/hazard line".

Edited November 13, 2022 by Itsjustagame

[Newby]

1 hour ago, Itsjustagame said:

Human nature and convenience. The OP is on the golf course waiting for his turn to hit and concerend about pace of play.

He has a rules question and has a phone with him.

He can get out his phone, open a web browser, navigate to the USGA web site, naviagate to the rules section, navigate to the rules index, and then scroll to the approprate rule. All a bit cumbersome on your phone.

Or he can grab his phione and just say "Hey Google/Siri. What happens if my golf ball is touching a red penalty area/hazard line".

And he will probably (hopefully) get the right answer if he examines the link description properly

[sui generis]

5 hours ago, Itsjustagame said:

"Hey Google/Siri. What happens if my golf ball is touching a red penalty area/hazard line".

That'll work if the player isn't concerned with the quality of the information.

[davep043]

7 hours ago, Itsjustagame said:

Human nature and convenience. The OP is on the golf course waiting for his turn to hit and concerend about pace of play.

He has a rules question and has a phone with him.

He can get out his phone, open a web browser, navigate to the USGA web site, naviagate to the rules section, navigate to the rules index, and then scroll to the approprate rule. All a bit cumbersome on your phone.

Or he can grab his phione and just say "Hey Google/Siri. What happens if my golf ball is touching a red penalty area/hazard line".

If the player actually cares about playing by the rules, he has downloaded the rules app, and go to directly to the right rule.

[Itsjustagame]

Hate to beat a dead horse, but suggest everyone pull out their smart phone (assuming you have one) and give it a try. 

Just ask Google "What happens when my golf ball is on the red line".

The response will be quicker than accessing the rules app on your phone, and the first answer is directly from the USGA web site.

For the purposes of this thread using Google is a faster and accurate way to get the answer.

As a  means of encouraging more people to try and  play by the rules (and WRX is full of comments/complaints  that most people don't) it seems completely realistic to promote the use of Google for people who just are not going to download a full set of rules to their phone.  

 

 

 

[Mr. Bean]

14 minutes ago, Itsjustagame said:

Hate to beat a dead horse, but suggest everyone pull out their smart phone (assuming you have one) and give it a try. 

Just ask Google "What happens when my golf ball is on the red line".

The response will be quicker than accessing the rules app on your phone, and the first answer is directly from the USGA web site.

For the purposes of this thread using Google is a faster and accurate way to get the answer.

As a  means of encouraging more people to try and  play by the rules (and WRX is full of comments/complaints  that most people don't) it seems completely realistic to promote the use of Google for people who just are not going to download a full set of rules to their phone.  

 

 

I tested it and it works nicely. But I would still recommend any interest person to download the Rules app. It is free and very useful.

[Newby]

9 hours ago, Itsjustagame said:

Just ask Google "What happens when my golf ball is on the red line".

 

I just tried exactly that and the first response was:

Note the date

 

Red Stakes/Lines: Lateral Water Hazard

In a red, or lateral hazard, you have 2 additional options available to you. The first, and perhaps the most common, is to take the point where your ball last crossed into the hazard, and drop within two club lengths of this point, no closer to the hole.19 Sept 2016

[sui generis]

Here's Google's first answer to "loose impediments in a water hazard:"

 

Under the current rules, when your ball in play lies in a hazard (water hazard or bunker), you are prohibited from touching or moving a loose impediment lying in or touching that same hazard (Rule 13-4c). If you did, the result would be two strokes in stroke play, or a loss of hole penalty in match play.

 

As has been said, if the quality of the answer doesn't matter, then Google away. 🙄

[limegreengent]

 

 

4 hours ago, sui generis said:

Here's Google's first answer to "loose impediments in a water hazard:"

 

Under the current rules, when your ball in play lies in a hazard (water hazard or bunker), you are prohibited from touching or moving a loose impediment lying in or touching that same hazard (Rule 13-4c). If you did, the result would be two strokes in stroke play, or a loss of hole penalty in match play.

 

As has been said, if the quality of the answer doesn't matter, then Google away. 🙄

 

 

I am not defending Google.p - but what do you expect when the quality of the question is lacking!!

 

Water hazards only existed pre 2019 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

[sui generis]

1 hour ago, limegreengent said:

 

 

 

 

I am not defending Google.p - but what do you expect when the quality of the question is lacking!!

 

Water hazards only existed pre 2019 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

 

The "quality" of the question is absolutely reflective of the Rules knowledge of many. As you well know the average golfing Googler wouldn't know that in 2019 the term hazard expired. Thus, they would use the obsolete term, hazard,  to secure an out-of-date answer. The point of this is that Google will indeed give an answer, but possibly a wrong answer. 

[dugue4]

On 11/13/2022 at 7:18 AM, Colin L said:

But the test is whether part of the ball is above the course [18.2a(2)].  If the ball is just meeting the vertical plane, is the point on the ball that is touching it above the course? I'm beginning to think it isn't.

Looks like you're going off on a tangent...

[nsxguy]

On 11/13/2022 at 6:53 AM, Itsjustagame said:

Rarely necessary to wade through the rule book. Just Google your question/situation and quite often you will get a link to the relevant section(s).

 

As mentioned by others,,,,,,,,, one  needs to be careful doing that. If google links to USGA Rules, you're probably OK (by now). Early in 2019, when the pre-2019 Rules were still online, you might get directed to the old rules. I expect by now the 2019 Rule are "gone".

 

And now, a number of the sites linked to that are not USGA sites, may be incorrect and/or quoting an old rule. And if the article doesn't have a date on it,,,,,,,,,,,,

Edited December 4, 2022 by nsxguy

[Mr. Bean]

On 12/4/2022 at 7:46 PM, nsxguy said:

 

As mentioned by others,,,,,,,,, one  needs to be careful doing that. If google links to USGA Rules, you're probably OK (by now). Early in 2019, when the pre-2019 Rules were still online, you might get directed to the old rules. I expect by now the 2019 Rule are "gone".

 

Hardly "gone" as they are the Rules to be used until 1.1.2023.

[Colin L]

37 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Hardly "gone" as they are the Rules to be used until 1.1.2023.

You have good reason to think so but the R&A website has been showing the 2023

Rules for a number of days now. 

[davep043]

1 hour ago, Colin L said:

You have good reason to think so but the R&A website has been showing the 2023

Rules for a number of days now. 

Interesting.  At the USGA website, the default is to show the current Rules.  You have to specifically choose the 2023 Rules to access them.

[Colin L]

2 hours ago, davep043 said:

Interesting.  At the USGA website, the default is to show the current Rules.  You have to specifically choose the 2023 Rules to access them.

Maybe that's the same with the R&A and I have just happened to navigate to the new ones.

[Mr. Bean]

6 hours ago, Colin L said:

You have good reason to think so but the R&A website has been showing the 2023

Rules for a number of days now. 

 

Colin, you are much more intelligent than that, seriously!

 

Also USGA "shows" the 2023 Rules on their website but they are not the ones you get first when you open the Rules as one would expect.

[Newby]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Colin, you are much more intelligent than that, seriously!

 

Also USGA "shows" the 2023 Rules on their website but they are not the ones you get first when you open the Rules as one would expect.

Following the natural link from 

 https://www.randa.org/

via

https://www.randa.org/rules/rules-hub

via

https://www.randa.org/rules/rules-of-golf-home

 

You arrive at 

The Rules of Golf 2023

[Mr. Bean]

42 minutes ago, Newby said:

Following the natural link from 

 https://www.randa.org/

via

https://www.randa.org/rules/rules-hub

via

https://www.randa.org/rules/rules-of-golf-home

 

You arrive at 

The Rules of Golf 2023

 

So..? Are you suggesting that Rules of Golf 2023 are already in force in 2022..?

 

At least around here we are still in year 2022 and we are the ones who get in 2023 before you 😉

 

It is actually astonishing that R&A has published the Rules of 2023 as their primary option on their website. After all, the area covered by R&A is much wider than that of USGA.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Mr. Bean

[davep043]

1 hour ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

So..? Are you suggesting that Rules of Golf 2023 are already in force in 2022..?

 

At least around here we are still in year 2022 and we are the ones who get in 2023 before you 😉

 

It is actually astonishing that R&A has published the Rules of 2023 as their primary option on their website. After all, the area covered by R&A is much wider than that of USGA.

 

 

I was surprised as well, but I did the same, and found myself looking at the 2023 Rules.  I didn't look to find the 2019 Rules, just lazy.

[Mr. Bean]

Dave, we are getting too old to take notice of the years... 😂

[Newby]

2 hours ago, Mr. Bean said:

So..? Are you suggesting that Rules of Golf 2023 are already in force in 2022..?

 

Don't be silly. That's just where going to the R&A home page tales you.