New AMG Shallowing Video - Wow...

[Ex Blade User]

6 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

I did the first time. The thing is, you haven't defined "passive" per se, nor "steer" or "manipulate." The basis of communication is a common language, and we're not there.

 

I disagree that, based on what I understand "passive" and other things to be, that a player has to feel very "passive." I disagree that the "momentum" of the swing at the top (where it really has almost no momentum) should take over (or whatever). Etc.

 

 

Again… we're not on the same page here. Hand path is a component of how I define "steep" or "shallow."

 

We're not even on the same page with the definitions. Likely never really have been.

 

 

There are exceptions to almost every rule. Very few people swing like Carl, and I use him as an example of things all the time. He's pretty atypical/unusual. He made it work for him, but… exceptions have their own caveats.

 

We're treading water here. You're likely picturing one thing, I'm picturing something else… whatever. I have my definition of "shallow," which again is not the same as AMG's.

 

So for that reason…

 

Felicia says bye. 

[Red4282]

Oh im ignore now ha. I like how he posted what synonym means, and it clearly says *nearly* the same thing. You still dont get it. My gawsh. Ill explain the difference between passive and inactive- Inactive means something is not active, or not moving, not working, not being used. Passive means its a secondary action, not a primary, but not necessarily not moving or working. It may be or it may not be inactive. It could even be an action as a direct result of another action. Its just not the primary. 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Red4282

[Red4282]

53 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

The words "steering" and "manipulation" are doing a lot of work here, without being defined. They have negative connotations, but the entire golf swing could be seen as "manipulating" the club.

 

 

I understand that and haven't said otherwise. Both can cause a club to be "steep."

 

 

That's not "shallow" by my definition, which I think aligns with a lot of other people's definitions. Is this shallow?

 

 

I don't think most would say that it is. This player has said he feels his arms are "passive" in this part of his golf swing.

 

 

Lotta hair-splitting there.  @MPStrat said "Passive is not active."

 

 

 

You're on my ignore list now @Red4282.

 

 

What momentum? The club has little to none in the early downswing. Players who take their hands out toward the ball and/or immediately steepen the shaft may need to very actively feel something.

 

The player above feels his transition and early downswing is "passive" from the shoulders out. His body carries his hands out there (the shaft doesn't lay down much if at all).

Also that golfers image you posted. The problem isnt passive arms. It a terrible at the top positon to be in. If he had any kind of depth, his move would not nearly be as bad.

Edited March 10, 2023 by Red4282

[MPStrat]

3 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Also that golfers image you posted. The problem isnt passive arms. It a terrible at the top positon to be in. If he had any kind of depth, his move would not nearly be as bad.

 
Right? And I hope people aren’t taking this as me arguing that hands flying excessively outward is a great attribute in a swing lol. But it has nothing to do with being steep in terms of shaft pitch.

[Red4282]

21 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

 
Right? And I hope people aren’t taking this as me arguing that hands flying excessively outward is a great attribute in a swing lol. But it has nothing to do with being steep in terms of shaft pitch.

Well thats just it. Even good movements can be bad or exacerbate things if other bad movements or conditions exist. That should probably one of the main takeaways from this whole thread. The swing is dynamic. Impact is all that matters. Many ways to get there. Even with pros. Find what works for you and play better golf.

[MPStrat]

1 minute ago, Red4282 said:

Well thats just it. Even good movements can be bad or exacerbate things if other bad movements or conditions exist. That should probably one of the main takeaways from this whole thread. The swing is dynamic. Impact is all that matters. Many ways to get there. Even with pros. Find what works for you and play better golf.

Well said. That’s why I think there is a lot of value in studying pro swings individually. I would definitely like to see a lot more of that. 
 

Truthfully, although it can be pretty humbling, it’s more exciting to learn I was wrong about something than to confirm my own beliefs. The list of things I was dead wrong about is long, many of which I learned on this forum not so long ago lol. 

[Hilts1969]

5 hours ago, iacas said:

 

The words "steering" and "manipulation" are doing a lot of work here, without being defined. They have negative connotations, but the entire golf swing could be seen as "manipulating" the club.

 

 

I understand that and haven't said otherwise. Both can cause a club to be "steep."

 

 

That's not "shallow" by my definition, which I think aligns with a lot of other people's definitions. Is this shallow?

 

 

I don't think most would say that it is. This player has said he feels his arms are "passive" in this part of his golf swing.

 

 

Lotta hair-splitting there.  @MPStrat said "Passive is not active."

 

 

 

You're on my ignore list now @Red4282.

 

 

What momentum? The club has little to none in the early downswing. Players who take their hands out toward the ball and/or immediately steepen the shaft may need to very actively feel something.

 

The player above feels his transition and early downswing is "passive" from the shoulders out. His body carries his hands out there (the shaft doesn't lay down much if at all).

 

Well I've just tried to not steer or manipulate the club and be passive with the arms. Not inactive but passive.

 

After moving my body it appears the club doesn't really go very far. So I tried just a normal backswing by using the pivot arms and wrists then tried to be passive(not inactive) on the downswing. 

 

Not sure all the failed contortions to get to the ball helped my back but it at least confirmed what I knew anyhow people don't half talk nonsense.

[Hilts1969]

6 hours ago, MPStrat said:

 

I wanted to share this video because I think it’s extremely relevant to “not steepening” the golf club and the question mkgolf asked me.

 

I’m sure many people here will not like this one and take it as some old guy rambling and that’s ok, but I think it’s possibly my favorite piece of golf wisdom ever spoken. I forgot to include this in my post with the Zach Allen video. 

Throw the hands down the fairway like this. Use the feet and body don't use the hands.

 

Okay:-)

[ezra76]

Watched it a few times. I'm steep from the top and don't know if I should bother to keep torturing myself with trying to shallow. I shank it or block it off the planet if I even think about it. 

 

 

 

 

[Ex Blade User]

8 hours ago, Red4282 said:

Also that golfers image you posted. The problem isnt passive arms. It a terrible at the top positon to be in. If he had any kind of depth, his move would not nearly be as bad.

Has to prove his “point” with the most extreme (ummm outlier) example lol

[RCGA]

2 hours ago, ezra76 said:

Watched it a few times. I'm steep from the top and don't know if I should bother to keep torturing myself with trying to shallow. I shank it or block it off the planet if I even think about it. 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm a 3hcp (bad putting), been playing since '99

 

I paid for classes with Monte & Shauheen Nakhjavani in an effort to "shallow" the club and I just can't do it to any meaningful degree. Like you said, it leads to more shanks and blocks than I'm comfortable with. 

 

Even trying to read though this thread - I hardly understand what anyone's talking about! 

[johnrobison]

This whole discussion is completely off the rails and I think we've all lost the plot 🤪🤣

[Simpsonia]

42 minutes ago, johnrobison said:

This whole discussion is completely off the rails and I think we've all lost the plot 🤪🤣

 

 

I'll catch you up.

 

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[SheriffBooth]

Lol, @Simpsonia

 

I think with that we'll close this one down.  Agree that it's no longer on topic; sort of fun while it lasted.

 

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