WHY?!?! Hands so far out. Address vs. impact.

[KNOWMOREDOUBLES]

This is getting me extremely frustrated. My scores are pretty consistent (upper 70’s) but my iron play is costing me strokes. A little EE, but handsmove out more than butt.

Edited October 7, 2023 by KNOWMOREDOUBLES

[Valtiel]

Everything in your lower half is moving out towards the ball in equal amounts, and thus your hands follow. Your butt, right knee, and hands are all moving towards the ball:



And thus you're forced to raise your hands up lest they physically hit your right leg/knee. Other elements of why your hands end up there, and to this extent, would require video, but for the most part this is an "incorrect pivot" problem which sees excessive right side movement into the ball and deficient left side movement away from it. Learning how to use your hips correctly and produce a fundamentally "correct" pivot is the answer, and it's pretty f****** tricky for most. Understanding how to push your hips backwards to create rotation vs. the far easier and more intuitive feeling of swinging them forwards combined with how to position your body correctly throughout the swing to make it happen takes a lot time to ingrain, especially if you aren't used to it. Face on and down the line video would be preferable if you want more specific pointers on where to start, but for now here are a couple quick references:

Right hip back / left hip back

Supporting weight shift sequencing

Edited October 8, 2023 by Valtiel

[Zitlow]

The energy is flowing away from you and into the clubhead which is where you want it.

 

Whirling a ball on a string pulls the string into extension (no slack) around the resisting hand, whirling the clubhead around the resisting C7 pulls the arms into extension just after impact when both arms are straight. 

 

 

I took lessons from Mike Austin and Mike Dunaway, their clubs released around the end of their left arms at the same place relative to their body position regardless of the club they were swinging. 

 

As the clubs get shorter, the ball is played progressively back causing impact to occur earlier in the arc. They made adjustments in their set up and hit straight balls. 

 

 

 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

For starters, you’re a bit too close to the ball. 

[KNOWMOREDOUBLES]

3 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

For starters, you’re a bit too close to the ball. 

How does that relate to my EE?

[MonteScheinblum]

3 hours ago, KNOWMOREDOUBLES said:

How does that relate to my EE?

Being too close will force you into EE to create room to hit the ball.  Also, the closer you are, the more vertical the arc.  The more vertical the arc, the more your body will EE to flatten it.

[doctor220]

18 hours ago, Zitlow said:

The energy is flowing away from you and into the clubhead which is where you want it.

 

Whirling a ball on a string pulls the string into extension (no slack) around the resisting hand, whirling the clubhead around the resisting C7 pulls the arms into extension just after impact when both arms are straight. 

 

 

I took lessons from Mike Austin and Mike Dunaway, their clubs released around the end of their left arms at the same place relative to their body position regardless of the club they were swinging. 

 

As the clubs get shorter, the ball is played progressively back causing impact to occur earlier in the arc. They made adjustments in their set up and hit straight balls. 

 

 

 

 

Posting a bunch of random nonsensical stuff doesn’t help anyone 

[MountainKing]

On 10/9/2023 at 7:45 AM, doctor220 said:

Posting a bunch of random nonsensical stuff doesn’t help anyone 

 

I read that post probably a dozen times trying to make sense of it, then scrolled down to see somebody else have this thought on that post....

[KD1]

Your cup is too full. You must come back with an empty cup if you wish to learn from sensei.

Edited October 10, 2023 by KD1

[Simpsonia]

I'm convinced that Zitlow has made some sort of Faustian bargain. He knows the secret of the golf swing, but has been cursed with the complete inability to communicate it effectively to others. Or maybe that's just what I want to believe. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Simpsonia

[doctor220]

4 hours ago, Simpsonia said:

I'm convinced that Zitlow has made some sort of Faustian bargain. He knows the secret of the golf swing, but has been cursed with the complete inability to communicate it effectively to others. Or maybe that's just what I want to believe. 

More likely just FOS

[Primo1868]

19 hours ago, MountainKing said:

 

I read that post probably a dozen times trying to make sense of it, then scrolled down to see somebody else have this thought on that post....

Came here for this too.

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

On 10/10/2023 at 5:53 PM, KD1 said:

Your cup is too full. You must come back with an empty cup if you wish to learn from sensei.

"A flute with no holes, is a stick."

 

Do any drugs, Danny?

[jonsnow]

14 hours ago, Jayjay_theweim_guy said:

"A flute with no holes, is a stick."

 

Do any drugs, Danny?

 

[IHaverGolf]

Too far tipped out with you upper body.  You could also add some depth to the top of you backswing so your arms won't be too far in front of your body coming dow 

[golfarb1]

On 10/10/2023 at 4:33 PM, MountainKing said:

 

I read that post probably a dozen times trying to make sense of it, then scrolled down to see somebody else have this thought on that post....

His post actually was pretty straightforward .

During the swing C7 ( cervical vertebrae that is closest to the base of the spine) is very stable . As the arms are rotating with the torso on the downswing , they will gradually extend and become straight just past impact . 
How this specifically applies to the original post is another question .

 

[Jeselnik]

You’re in charge of where your hands go.  If those were my stills, i would think i forgot to downshift and was swinging too out…….YMMV.

 

JNIK

Edited October 17, 2023 by Jeselnik
Spell

[MountainKing]

15 hours ago, golfarb1 said:

His post actually was pretty straightforward .

During the swing C7 ( cervical vertebrae that is closest to the base of the spine) is very stable . As the arms are rotating with the torso on the downswing , they will gradually extend and become straight just past impact . 
How this specifically applies to the original post is another question .

 

 

Your last sentence is the problem with that post - Monte managed to give the best advice in this post in 10 words or less.  Typing the most words doesn't make you the smartest in the room.

[mstram]

I read Zitlows post as "OP's swing is WAD  (working as designed)  / properly as far as balancing all the parts.

 

I.e. ya, maybe everything IS moving *towards* the ball, but if you can do it every time ... and are shooting in the 70's .... why try to fix what ain't broken ?

 

Gettting the club on the ball is the objective,  not how "pretty you look" 

[doctor220]

23 hours ago, golfarb1 said:

His post actually was pretty straightforward .

During the swing C7 ( cervical vertebrae that is closest to the base of the spine) is very stable . As the arms are rotating with the torso on the downswing , they will gradually extend and become straight just past impact . 
How this specifically applies to the original post is another question .

 

Not sure why c7 is worth fixating on. You should hope your spine is stable or your spinal cord won’t be very happy. 

[KNOWMOREDOUBLES]

4 hours ago, mstram said:

I read Zitlows post as "OP's swing is WAD  (working as designed)  / properly as far as balancing all the parts.

 

I.e. ya, maybe everything IS moving *towards* the ball, but if you can do it every time ... and are shooting in the 70's .... why try to fix what ain't broken ?

 

Gettting the club on the ball is the objective,  not how "pretty you look" 

Because I miss to many greens. Especially with short irons. If I could hit two to three more greens I could drop more strokes.

 

Sometimes the handle gets even more vertical and I actually lose my grip.

[Conner Golf]

You'll need to turn and drive(rotate) your hands back closer to set up/impact position. For me the timing of starting my downswing with my hands on the swing plane, then quickly driving my lead arm towards set up/impact position while my right hands has the felling of controlling the turn and keeping my club face on the swing plane gives me my best consistency.

[slytown]

I dont think the setup is excessively over your toes. The problem is u are doing something else in the backswing or in sequence that is causing the EE correction. You need to post down the line and face on videos for me or the others to really make suggestions.

 

I do agree with u the handle is raised quite a bit and u are moving your hips towards the ball too much, but i would wait to do any corrections, especially lower body ones, before we see video.

[fried121]

On 10/7/2023 at 8:25 PM, Valtiel said:

Everything in your lower half is moving out towards the ball 

 ⬆️ as well as setting up with too much weight on your toes could be contributing. Here is an illustration of Robert Rock as an example of setup and impact. He has some EE but not the handle issue your having