Prices on new prov1

[Marrrk]

the first few years the ProV1's were out my pro-shop DEFINITELY sold them for $54, and sold out each and every box within days of their arrival. i'm not saying it's worth it or right or going to work this time around or in this economy; but the outrage in this post is a bit misplaced. i would have been shocked if this new version didn't start out at some insanely high price. it's all well and good if you would never spend that much on a ball, but let's be honest, plenty of people have and plenty of people will and then the price will come down like it always does.

 

or, we coud just bash titleist some more because that's always fun.

[littlepingman]

People will also pay the $55 because its something new, just like they paid $55 when the original came out, just like they pay $500 every year for the next best thing in drivers, etc.

 

You can hit a thousand balls with a $500 driver and lose them all in the water, and the driver was still only $500...

 

If you hit a thousand golf balls in the water with that driver that cost $55 a dozen, that cost you $4583.33...

[TM golf guy]

oh and new drivers are worth $400-500

cmon you know you'll try some

 

I guarantee I will not be buying a dozen of these at that price, or at $45.99 or at $39.99. I will stick to other brands.

[littlepingman]

Didn't Titleist say that players wouldn't notice a difference in performance with their new ball? It seems like I remember them saying that when people were questioning the new ball since its a new formula.

 

I guess we will notice a difference in our wallet though. Maybe the lighter weight wallet in our pockets will help our weight shift...

 

 

I may be mistaken, but this ball is a complete overhaul is it not?

 

The 2007 version was just a line change no?

OK, so from those two statements, my understanding is that Titleist had a complete overhaul to make the exact same ball, then added $10 to the price.

Can someone confirm this?

 

Directly from the Titleist press release about the injunction:

Is there a performance difference between the non-converted Pro V1 golf balls and the converted production models?

 

No. While a number of changes in the manufacturing process were required to address the patent issues, performance and quality are indistinguishable from the current products and the converted products have been Tour validated.

[wholeinwon]

I still don't see the argument though? If they aren't an improvement then why would you even think about buying them? And then who cares what the price is?

 

People will buy them because they are new, if they were priced at $100/dozen people would still buy them because they are new!

 

I think they are priced correctly from a business standpoint...we'll see what sales do but I would bet lots of money by September they are priced under $45/dozen.

[jefffann]

There's an advertisement for those floating balls in there somewhere

[tpariff]

back when the ProV1's first came out my pro-shop DEFINITELY sold them for $54, and sold out each and every box within days of their arrival. i'm not saying it's worth it or right or going to work this time around or in this economy; but the outrage in this post is a bit misplaced. i would have been shocked if this new version didn't start out at some insanely high price. it's all well and good if you would never spend that much on a ball, but let's be honest, plenty of people have and plenty of people will and then the price will come down like it always does.

 

or, we coud just bash titleist some more because that's always fun.

 

Titleist is only partially to blame for any price. The retailer also shares some of the blame. Titleist uses a MAP (Minimum Advertised Pricing) policy which means a retailer can't sell something for less than that price. The MSRP and MAP are two different numbers. Titleist doesn't care if the retailer charges MORE than the MAP. It happens all the time with limited edition Scotty Cameron putters and the latest Vokey special edition wedges.

 

I'm sure retailers will try to take advantage of the buzz around a new Pro v1 release. But this isn't the FIRST Pro v1 release where demand was so crazy. Consumers realize there are comparable balls at a better price. And the lawsuits prove it.

 

Kevin

[piston088]

Didn't Titleist say that players wouldn't notice a difference in performance with their new ball? It seems like I remember them saying that when people were questioning the new ball since its a new formula.

 

I guess we will notice a difference in our wallet though. Maybe the lighter weight wallet in our pockets will help our weight shift...

 

 

I may be mistaken, but this ball is a complete overhaul is it not?

 

The 2007 version was just a line change no?

OK, so from those two statements, my understanding is that Titleist had a complete overhaul to make the exact same ball, then added $10 to the price.

Can someone confirm this?

 

From what I can tell, the first person quoted is thinking of the ball that Titleist re-released after the legal settlement, which was supposed to play the exact same. The 09 version will have significant performance changes (according to Titleist).

[tpariff]

back when the ProV1's first came out my pro-shop DEFINITELY sold them for $54, and sold out each and every box within days of their arrival. i'm not saying it's worth it or right or going to work this time around or in this economy; but the outrage in this post is a bit misplaced. i would have been shocked if this new version didn't start out at some insanely high price. it's all well and good if you would never spend that much on a ball, but let's be honest, plenty of people have and plenty of people will and then the price will come down like it always does.

 

or, we coud just bash titleist some more because that's always fun.

 

Titleist is only partially to blame for any price. The retailer also shares some of the blame. Titleist uses a MAP (Minimum Advertised Pricing) policy which means a retailer can't sell something for less than that price. The MSRP and MAP are two different numbers. Titleist doesn't care if the retailer charges MORE than the MAP. It happens all the time with limited edition Scotty Cameron putters and the latest Vokey special edition wedges.

 

I'm sure retailers will try to take advantage of the buzz around a new Pro v1 release. But this isn't the FIRST Pro v1 release where demand was so crazy. Consumers realize there are comparable balls at a better price. And the lawsuits prove it.

 

Kevin

[wholeinwon]

I still don't see the argument though? If they aren't an improvement then why would you even think about buying them? And then who cares what the price is?

 

People will buy them because they are new, if they were priced at $100/dozen people would still buy them because they are new!

 

I think they are priced correctly from a business standpoint...we'll see what sales do but I would bet lots of money by September they are priced under $45/dozen.

[piston088]

Didn't Titleist say that players wouldn't notice a difference in performance with their new ball? It seems like I remember them saying that when people were questioning the new ball since its a new formula.

 

I guess we will notice a difference in our wallet though. Maybe the lighter weight wallet in our pockets will help our weight shift...

 

 

I may be mistaken, but this ball is a complete overhaul is it not?

 

The 2007 version was just a line change no?

OK, so from those two statements, my understanding is that Titleist had a complete overhaul to make the exact same ball, then added $10 to the price.

Can someone confirm this?

 

From what I can tell, the first person quoted is thinking of the ball that Titleist re-released after the legal settlement, which was supposed to play the exact same. The 09 version will have significant performance changes (according to Titleist).

[iteachgolf]

I may have misunderstood but the converted ball has been out. The boxes have a sticker on them. This ball is a completely new ball as I understand it. Could be wrong but I know the converted balls came out about 6 weeks ago.

Didn't Titleist say that players wouldn't notice a difference in performance with their new ball? It seems like I remember them saying that when people were questioning the new ball since its a new formula.

 

I guess we will notice a difference in our wallet though. Maybe the lighter weight wallet in our pockets will help our weight shift...

 

 

I may be mistaken, but this ball is a complete overhaul is it not?

 

The 2007 version was just a line change no?

OK, so from those two statements, my understanding is that Titleist had a complete overhaul to make the exact same ball, then added $10 to the price.

Can someone confirm this?

 

Directly from the Titleist press release about the injunction:

Is there a performance difference between the non-converted Pro V1 golf balls and the converted production models?

 

No. While a number of changes in the manufacturing process were required to address the patent issues, performance and quality are indistinguishable from the current products and the converted products have been Tour validated.

[jefffann]

I may be mistaken, but this ball is a complete overhaul is it not?

 

The 2007 version was just a line change no?

That's not what Callaway thought

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Don't worry, there's loan applications available for those who qualify. ^^

 

Zero percent financing or 22.9%?

[littlepingman]

I may have misunderstood but the converted ball has been out. The boxes have a sticker on them. This ball is a completely new ball as I understand it. Could be wrong but I know the converted balls came out about 6 weeks ago.

 

This is possible. As I said in my original post, I wasn't sure.

 

However, I will still venture to guess that even a revamped ProV1 isn't $15 better than every other premium ball on the market...

 

I love the ProV1, it is my ball of choice, but I will not pay that for a dozen golf balls...

[birdieblair]

oh and new drivers are worth $400-500

cmon you know you'll try some

Exactly.

 

It's like any company, everyone does this, it's not gonna change because the competitor is at $39.99.

 

It's everywhere in golf with new stuff, you don't put out the X22's from Callaway at the same price the X20's are do you?

People will also pay the $55 because its something new, just like they paid $55 when the original came out, just like they pay $500 every year for the next best thing in drivers, etc.

 

No, You discount the X20's and sell the X22's at the original price point. So if when the x22's come out x20's that were 799.99 are 699.99 and x22's take over the 799.99 spot. You don't keep the x20's at the 799.99 price point and bring in the x22s at 899.99. That's absurd.

 

Titleist did discount the 2007 model from 45.99 (which was ridiculous) to 39.99 (still ridiculous, but on par with the other premium balls. To jump $10 a dozen, one of the balls had better be gold, or in every box there should be some sort of tour card so you can try to win your money back. I have been a longtime Titleist ball devotee, but it seems I will be bagging something else unless the price drops considerably. $45 bucks was pressing it but $55 bucks is way too much. Also someone should inform Titleist that we as a nation are currently going through a recession so drastically increasing their ball prices is probably not the most fiscally responsible move.

 

They may be "The #1 ball in golf" bit at $55 bucks they's be the #1 ball sitting on the shelf as I buy Bridgestone or Srixon this season.

[Marrrk]

back when the ProV1's first came out my pro-shop DEFINITELY sold them for $54, and sold out each and every box within days of their arrival. i'm not saying it's worth it or right or going to work this time around or in this economy; but the outrage in this post is a bit misplaced. i would have been shocked if this new version didn't start out at some insanely high price. it's all well and good if you would never spend that much on a ball, but let's be honest, plenty of people have and plenty of people will and then the price will come down like it always does.

 

or, we coud just bash titleist some more because that's always fun.

 

Titleist is only partially to blame for any price. The retailer also shares some of the blame. Titleist uses a MAP (Minimum Advertised Pricing) policy which means a retailer can't sell something for less than that price. The MSRP and MAP are two different numbers. Titleist doesn't care if the retailer charges MORE than the MAP. It happens all the time with limited edition Scotty Cameron putters and the latest Vokey special edition wedges.

 

I'm sure retailers will try to take advantage of the buzz around a new Pro v1 release. But this isn't the FIRST Pro v1 release where demand was so crazy. Consumers realize there are comparable balls at a better price. And the lawsuits prove it.

 

Kevin

 

good point. i have to totally shoot holes in my own argument now. this is much different from when they first come out; i dont even know why i tried to compare the two. i guess all i can say is who knows what will happen? we're all going nuts over some preview page.

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Now entering the ring, The #1 Most Expensive ball on tour....

 

Like littlepingman said, for $13-$15 more, you aren't going to get that much performance compared to Nike, Callaway, B-Stone premium golf balls....

 

Good Luck Titleist, you'll need it....

[jefffann]

Now I'll be even happier when I find one of these in the woods while looking for the top flite I hit.

[wholeinwon]

When the ball debuted in 2007 the price was over $50/dozen.

 

They discounted last year in 2008 the 2nd year in existence because it wasn't "new"

 

Now you have "New" again so they take over the original $50/dozen price point which has been on par with every version of the ProV1.

[kitsoasis]

When the ball debuted in 2007 the price was over $50/dozen.

 

They discounted last year in 2008 the 2nd year in existence because it wasn't "new"

 

Now you have "New" again so they take over the original $50/dozen price point which has been on par with every version of the ProV1.

Just to eliminate any confusion, are you talking in Canadian prices or US prices?

[wholeinwon]

They won't need luck though. Out of our shop what do you think the first ball to sell out was? The $11 B330 or the $16 ProV1 and ProV1x?

 

Sure numbers will be down a little bit but just like everything in golf, if it's new price really doesn't factor into people who buy at country clubs, tournaments, etc.

 

It hurts the everyday golfer a lot more, but I would say the everyday public golfer isn't who Titleist relies on for sales. It's the guys at country clubs, and tournament who buy a dozen balls on their corporate card, and then two dozen at the turn.

 

Golf is a sport driven by $$$, again I don't see why this is a big deal...you don't like the price don't buy it! It's not like no ones gonna buy this ball!

[wholeinwon]

When the ball debuted in 2007 the price was over $50/dozen.

 

They discounted last year in 2008 the 2nd year in existence because it wasn't "new"

 

Now you have "New" again so they take over the original $50/dozen price point which has been on par with every version of the ProV1.

Just to eliminate any confusion, are you talking in Canadian prices or US prices?

 

 

In 2007 the US dollar and Canadian dollar were equal so it shouldn't matter but that's what I remember seeing them in Golf stores, advertisements and in our shop for $54 for a dozen. Right now I would imagine in Canada the new ProV1 will be $59.99 when it debuts.

 

I was talking in American dollars though.

[pingfool]

Titleist has done a good job creating the perception in many golfers mind that they play "better" if they use PROV1's...Right, wrong, true or not.

 

Many people dont think twice about spending $300+ for the latest & greatest "extra 15 yards"....

 

And now many people here wont pay $55/dozen to continue using that PROV1 you've convinced yourself makes you play better.

 

Arent you afraid your scores will suffer?

 

:tongue:

[oregongolf]

Now entering the ring, The #1 Most Expensive ball on tour....

 

Like littlepingman said, for $13-$15 more, you aren't going to get that much performance compared to Nike, Callaway, B-Stone premium golf balls....

 

Good Luck Titleist, you'll need it....

No kidding!

 

Titleist has a WRX account. I want them to come explain what justifies the price.

[wholeinwon]

Now entering the ring, The #1 Most Expensive ball on tour....

 

Like littlepingman said, for $13-$15 more, you aren't going to get that much performance compared to Nike, Callaway, B-Stone premium golf balls....

 

Good Luck Titleist, you'll need it....

No kidding!

 

Titleist has a WRX account. I want them to come explain what justifies the price.

 

Can someone please tell me what this argument is about?

 

When the original ProV1 debuted what was the price? $50-60/dozen depending where you bought it...then it went down

When the 2007 ProV1 debuted what was the price? $50-60/dozen depending where you bought it...then it went down

When the 2009 ProV1 debuts what will be the price? $50-60/dozen depending where you buy it...then it will go down

 

This has happened everytime they introduce a new ProV1, they don't need to justify it they've done it all along.

 

They could put out the EXACT same ball and maybe make a full alignment line around 1/2 the ball then charge $50-60/dozen for it and people will STILL buy it because it's new...

 

 

I honestly don't see why this is a big deal?

[golfdad907]

Sorry maybe I'm out of touch because I haven't purchased balls in a while but...

 

We sell the ProV1 and ProV1 X in our shop for $16/sleeve in 2008...and back when they first came out I was paying $50-$60/dozen to use them in junior tournaments.

 

I don't know if it is because there are more options out there now, but this price is exactly what I thought the price would be coming out for debut.

 

I figured it would be $50-$60/dozen again, people would buy to try then sales will drop because most people don't see a huge difference between the ProV1 and a $40/dozen B330, then Titleist lowers the price and because it's the most popular "tour" ball people then buy again because the Pro's use it.

 

Come on people we know how this works by now don't we??

 

Do you think the r9 is gonna be $199.99 when it debuts in shops and stores?

 

Not when it (R9) debuts, give it 3 months when then infinitely adjustable R10 comes out...

 

Seriously, $5 a ball is insane...but lawyers get richer no matter what the outcome of a trial.

[hos]

I guess it's not a big deal -- but, it will be a big deal if they piss everyone off. I guarantee you no one I know in my area won't be buying Pro-v's at that price.

I would have someone in my marketing dept.'s a** for pricing like that when, as everyone said, the rest of the prem. balls are +/-35. Thank god I got hooked on Srixon's 2 years ago. Makes me want to git rid of whatever Titleist equip. I have in the basement. Lack of respect for normal everyday golfers.

Fwiw, I'm in the position of delivering a much better product and service than my competitors and I don't get greedy in my pricing. Actually cheaper than them due to our equipment (asphalt repair), we rely on keeping people happy and volume. Titleist take a note!

[oregongolf]

Now entering the ring, The #1 Most Expensive ball on tour....

 

Like littlepingman said, for $13-$15 more, you aren't going to get that much performance compared to Nike, Callaway, B-Stone premium golf balls....

 

Good Luck Titleist, you'll need it....

No kidding!

 

Titleist has a WRX account. I want them to come explain what justifies the price.

 

Can someone please tell me what this argument is about?

 

When the original ProV1 debuted what was the price? $50-60/dozen depending where you bought it...then it went down

When the 2007 ProV1 debuted what was the price? $50-60/dozen depending where you bought it...then it went down

When the 2009 ProV1 debuts what will be the price? $50-60/dozen depending where you buy it...then it will go down

 

This has happened everytime they introduce a new ProV1, they don't need to justify it they've done it all along.

 

They could put out the EXACT same ball and maybe make a full alignment line around 1/2 the ball then charge $50-60/dozen for it and people will STILL buy it because it's new...

 

 

I honestly don't see why this is a big deal?

 

I guess my big problem is the fact that all other comparable balls can be head around the $40 price point, sometimes for less. I also feel a little bit slighted after seeing people bilked on what was ruled as stolen technology... and now them pricing a new product up even more.

 

I've never once paid more than $45/dozen at any of the clubs I've been a member or employee of. That goes all the way back to the original Pro V1.

 

Maybe if I bought all 4 sleeves separately at $14/sleeve, but I don't know a single person who does that.

[wholeinwon]

You've never seen a dozen ProV1's over $45/dozen!??

 

Wow I need to come to Oregon, first ever ProV1's were over $50/dozen when they debuted and they FLEW off shelves were sold out everywhere. And in 2007 for the first 3-4 months the "new" ProV1 debuted it was at the $54/dozen mark, then went to $45, then down the $39.99 where it's at now