TMAX review of ANSER VS. 913 D3...The two killer drivers of the fall

[GooseHook]

[quote name='Richl19' timestamp='1351824218' post='5880561']
have you demoed a 913?
[/quote]

I did, but they didn't have the same shaft as the Anser. Only shaft available was a RIP in stiff, but after my experiences with the 910 heads I'm probably not looking that way. I need something more forgiving.

[StarFleetGolfer]

Please post more often. You do a good job.

[floycota]

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[quote name='tmax77' timestamp='1351809672' post='5879563']
No I think if you really want a Titleist head I am sure you can find a shaft that will kill spin...what shafts have you used?
[/quote]
In the 910, Kiyoshi (Purple and Black), Nunchuk, pretty much all the MRC, a few GDI, no Matrix stuff though.
[/quote]

What are your numbers? Where they stiff shafts? X-stiff? Tipped?

Sometimes it is just a swing thing you may not be able to get optimal numbers but can still get really good numbers..
[/quote]
I'll need to find the fitting sheet (if I still have it). I tried stiff and X-stiff shafts (almost everything had standard OEM tipping). I believe the 05 Kiyoshi black was ~13, 3,300. The S or X Ahina was ~15.5 and 3,400 (if I'm remember these correctly). The ballspeeds were similar to other drivers. The Anser was better for me because of the lower spin. I don't mind a high LA, I prefer it. I'm sure I could get a combo to work, I'll see maybe the 913 will be different for me.

[tmax77]

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[quote name='tmax77' timestamp='1351809672' post='5879563']
No I think if you really want a Titleist head I am sure you can find a shaft that will kill spin...what shafts have you used?
[/quote]
In the 910, Kiyoshi (Purple and Black), Nunchuk, pretty much all the MRC, a few GDI, no Matrix stuff though.
[/quote]

What are your numbers? Where they stiff shafts? X-stiff? Tipped?

Sometimes it is just a swing thing you may not be able to get optimal numbers but can still get really good numbers..
[/quote]
I'll need to find the fitting sheet (if I still have it). I tried stiff and X-stiff shafts (almost everything had standard OEM tipping). I believe the 05 Kiyoshi black was ~13, 3,300. The S or X Ahina was ~15.5 and 3,400 (if I'm remember these correctly). The ballspeeds were similar to other drivers. The Anser was better for me because of the lower spin. I don't mind a high LA, I prefer it. I'm sure I could get a combo to work, I'll see maybe the 913 will be different for me.
[/quote]

Happen to know what your angle of attack was? Which launch monitor? The 05 kyoshi black do you know what weight?

[tmax77]

[quote name='Golfjunki71' timestamp='1351825892' post='5880713']
Please post more often. You do a good job.
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Thanks

[tmax77]

[quote name='Richl19' timestamp='1351817847' post='5880113']
interesting to bad they don't make an Anser in 7.5 as well
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Doubt that people need it...grab a stout shaft in a 8.5 in the minus setting a fire low bullets...

[Richl19]

I'm just worried about the 8.5 launching to high and spinning it to much as the 8.5 I demoed in TFC xflex was at 16degree launch and 3000rpm spin averages with 115mph club head speed and 165mph ball speed, that's why I was excited for the 7.5 913D3 but after hearing the 913 is a higher spin head I don't think the 1 degree of loft will make a difference should be able to hit them against each other soon though.

[phase3golf]

[quote name='Richl19' timestamp='1351830378' post='5880967']
I'm just worried about the 8.5 launching to high and spinning it to much as the 8.5 I demoed in TFC xflex was at 16degree launch and 3000rpm spin averages with 115mph club head speed and 165mph ball speed, that's why I was excited for the 7.5 913D3 but after hearing the 913 is a higher spin head I don't think the 1 degree of loft will make a difference should be able to hit them against each other soon though.
[/quote]

Black Tie that 8.5 and you will be lucky to get it off the deck and should reduce the spin by a long shot.....

[tmax77]

[quote name='Richl19' timestamp='1351830378' post='5880967']
I'm just worried about the 8.5 launching to high and spinning it to much as the 8.5 I demoed in TFC xflex was at 16degree launch and 3000rpm spin averages with 115mph club head speed and 165mph ball speed, that's why I was excited for the 7.5 913D3 but after hearing the 913 is a higher spin head I don't think the 1 degree of loft will make a difference should be able to hit them against each other soon though.
[/quote]

Agreed black tie is awesome..or even the Ahina in x-flex would do a better job of killing spin if you didn't want to pay for the upgrade...

[floyd]

Great review, thanks for taking the time!

[floycota]

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[quote name='floycota' timestamp='1351812754' post='5879757']
[quote name='tmax77' timestamp='1351809672' post='5879563']
No I think if you really want a Titleist head I am sure you can find a shaft that will kill spin...what shafts have you used?
[/quote]
In the 910, Kiyoshi (Purple and Black), Nunchuk, pretty much all the MRC, a few GDI, no Matrix stuff though.
[/quote]

What are your numbers? Where they stiff shafts? X-stiff? Tipped?

Sometimes it is just a swing thing you may not be able to get optimal numbers but can still get really good numbers..
[/quote]
I'll need to find the fitting sheet (if I still have it). I tried stiff and X-stiff shafts (almost everything had standard OEM tipping). I believe the 05 Kiyoshi black was ~13, 3,300. The S or X Ahina was ~15.5 and 3,400 (if I'm remember these correctly). The ballspeeds were similar to other drivers. The Anser was better for me because of the lower spin. I don't mind a high LA, I prefer it. I'm sure I could get a combo to work, I'll see maybe the 913 will be different for me.
[/quote]

Happen to know what your angle of attack was? Which launch monitor? The 05 kyoshi black do you know what weight?
[/quote]
About +3, Flightscope (I'm 95% sure on this), the Kiyoshi was the 75 gram version.

[Vian]

Great read..
Been playing Blueboard 73 s for years & can't make up my mind between S+ 62 & 72...Just can't..for now..

[GooseHook]

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[quote name='Richl19' timestamp='1351830378' post='5880967']
I'm just worried about the 8.5 launching to high and spinning it to much as the 8.5 I demoed in TFC xflex was at 16degree launch and 3000rpm spin averages with 115mph club head speed and 165mph ball speed, that's why I was excited for the 7.5 913D3 but after hearing the 913 is a higher spin head I don't think the 1 degree of loft will make a difference should be able to hit them against each other soon though.
[/quote]

Black Tie that 8.5 and you will be lucky to get it off the deck and should reduce the spin by a long shot.....
[/quote]

Those numbers sound like off-center contact, the smash factor is down at 1.43. Maybe the shaft wasn't working quite right for you, did you try the other stock options?

The 'ahina is lower spin than the TFC, if you tried that and clocked it down half a degree I think that'd be perfect.

[lettucebcereal]

Thanks for the review! I have the Anser and tried the 913D the other day, but I just could not produce the same numbers as my Anser, even with the same shaft in the Titleist. I'm pretty sure though, that I'll find a reason to buy the 913 down the road haha.

[tmax77]

[quote name='Vian' timestamp='1351857889' post='5881509']
Great read..
Been playing Blueboard 73 s for years & can't make up my mind between S+ 62 & 72...Just can't..for now..
[/quote]

What head have you been playing the Blueboard in? Would Start with the standard S+ 72 although you may need to tip it to get it quite right...

[tmax77]

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[quote name='floycota' timestamp='1351812754' post='5879757']
[quote name='tmax77' timestamp='1351809672' post='5879563']
No I think if you really want a Titleist head I am sure you can find a shaft that will kill spin...what shafts have you used?
[/quote]
In the 910, Kiyoshi (Purple and Black), Nunchuk, pretty much all the MRC, a few GDI, no Matrix stuff though.
[/quote]

What are your numbers? Where they stiff shafts? X-stiff? Tipped?

Sometimes it is just a swing thing you may not be able to get optimal numbers but can still get really good numbers..
[/quote]
I'll need to find the fitting sheet (if I still have it). I tried stiff and X-stiff shafts (almost everything had standard OEM tipping). I believe the 05 Kiyoshi black was ~13, 3,300. The S or X Ahina was ~15.5 and 3,400 (if I'm remember these correctly). The ballspeeds were similar to other drivers. The Anser was better for me because of the lower spin. I don't mind a high LA, I prefer it. I'm sure I could get a combo to work, I'll see maybe the 913 will be different for me.
[/quote]

Happen to know what your angle of attack was? Which launch monitor? The 05 kyoshi black do you know what weight?
[/quote]
About +3, Flightscope (I'm 95% sure on this), the Kiyoshi was the 75 gram version.
[/quote]

Do you by chance remember swingspeed or ballspeed? very well could be where you are hitting it on the face of the 910....sweetspot isn't as big and slight miss hits will cause extra spin.

[Richl19]

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[quote name='phase3golf' timestamp='1351839205' post='5881259']
[quote name='Richl19' timestamp='1351830378' post='5880967']
I'm just worried about the 8.5 launching to high and spinning it to much as the 8.5 I demoed in TFC xflex was at 16degree launch and 3000rpm spin averages with 115mph club head speed and 165mph ball speed, that's why I was excited for the 7.5 913D3 but after hearing the 913 is a higher spin head I don't think the 1 degree of loft will make a difference should be able to hit them against each other soon though.
[/quote]

Black Tie that 8.5 and you will be lucky to get it off the deck and should reduce the spin by a long shot.....
[/quote]

Those numbers sound like off-center contact, the smash factor is down at 1.43. Maybe the shaft wasn't working quite right for you, did you try the other stock options?

The 'ahina is lower spin than the TFC, if you tried that and clocked it down half a degree I think that'd be perfect.
[/quote] Those where my average numbers I'm sorry to say I don't make perfect contact on average I'm probably quilty of swinging a little to hard, on my best balls the ball speed is around 170 but I can't do that everyswing work prevents me from playing and practicing as much as I would like. They didn't have an X flex ahina for me to try at the time there only an S and it was way to whippy and spinny. How does black tie compare to motore speeded 7.2 tour spec x flex, I'm currently playing one In my 910D3 9.5 on the lowest loft setting and getting 16degrees launch and 3200Rpm spin averages hence why I'm interested in 7.5 degree heads. Thanks guys.

[floycota]

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[quote name='floycota' timestamp='1351812754' post='5879757']
[quote name='tmax77' timestamp='1351809672' post='5879563']
No I think if you really want a Titleist head I am sure you can find a shaft that will kill spin...what shafts have you used?
[/quote]
In the 910, Kiyoshi (Purple and Black), Nunchuk, pretty much all the MRC, a few GDI, no Matrix stuff though.
[/quote]

What are your numbers? Where they stiff shafts? X-stiff? Tipped?

Sometimes it is just a swing thing you may not be able to get optimal numbers but can still get really good numbers..
[/quote]
I'll need to find the fitting sheet (if I still have it). I tried stiff and X-stiff shafts (almost everything had standard OEM tipping). I believe the 05 Kiyoshi black was ~13, 3,300. The S or X Ahina was ~15.5 and 3,400 (if I'm remember these correctly). The ballspeeds were similar to other drivers. The Anser was better for me because of the lower spin. I don't mind a high LA, I prefer it. I'm sure I could get a combo to work, I'll see maybe the 913 will be different for me.
[/quote]

Happen to know what your angle of attack was? Which launch monitor? The 05 kyoshi black do you know what weight?
[/quote]
About +3, Flightscope (I'm 95% sure on this), the Kiyoshi was the 75 gram version.
[/quote]

Do you by chance remember swingspeed or ballspeed? very well could be where you are hitting it on the face of the 910....sweetspot isn't as big and slight miss hits will cause extra spin.
[/quote]
Ballspeed was about 170, smashfactors were in the 1.48 range. I was hitting it pretty much on the sweetspot. Don't worry about it too much. I'm a higher spin player, I know it was easier reduce the spin with the Anser head than fooling around with really exotic shafts and tipping. It could be done but I didn't have my heart set on playing a 910. I'll have to see if the 913 is different. Maybe I'll get different results with it.

[Richl19]

I'm thinking that Anser that I tested was really 10 degrees loft. I never asked to get it checked. If I got a digitally lofts 8.5 from ping and got my speeded put in I should be good. I'm going to get a proper fitting done before I make any decisions though when I have time.

[Brick Tamland]

I hit these back to back on the InFlight monitors at Golfsmith this week. Both were 8.5 heads with the stiff Mitsu black shaft, I believe the weights on the shafts were like 2 grams different (60 vs 62?). I did not check the adjustment settings but assume they were standard. The numbers I got were [b]remarkably[/b] similar. Slightly higher spin & carry with the Anser, less spin and more roll with the 913. Both were giving me a total distance around 280. I preferred the look, sound, and feel of the Titleist. The Anser is a very good driver on it's own, however, and I'd be happy to game either one.

I was just warming up for a lesson, so I didn't look too closely at the numbers, I should've taken a picture with my phone. I'll go back sometime soon and do a more thorough test. About me... I'm an 8 hc with a SS in the mid-upper 100s.

[tmax77]

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[quote name='phase3golf' timestamp='1351839205' post='5881259']
[quote name='Richl19' timestamp='1351830378' post='5880967']
I'm just worried about the 8.5 launching to high and spinning it to much as the 8.5 I demoed in TFC xflex was at 16degree launch and 3000rpm spin averages with 115mph club head speed and 165mph ball speed, that's why I was excited for the 7.5 913D3 but after hearing the 913 is a higher spin head I don't think the 1 degree of loft will make a difference should be able to hit them against each other soon though.
[/quote]

Black Tie that 8.5 and you will be lucky to get it off the deck and should reduce the spin by a long shot.....
[/quote]

Those numbers sound like off-center contact, the smash factor is down at 1.43. Maybe the shaft wasn't working quite right for you, did you try the other stock options?

The 'ahina is lower spin than the TFC, if you tried that and clocked it down half a degree I think that'd be perfect.
[/quote] Those where my average numbers I'm sorry to say I don't make perfect contact on average I'm probably quilty of swinging a little to hard, on my best balls the ball speed is around 170 but I can't do that everyswing work prevents me from playing and practicing as much as I would like. They didn't have an X flex ahina for me to try at the time there only an S and it was way to whippy and spinny. How does black tie compare to motore speeded 7.2 tour spec x flex, I'm currently playing one In my 910D3 9.5 on the lowest loft setting and getting 16degrees launch and 3200Rpm spin averages hence why I'm interested in 7.5 degree heads. Thanks guys.
[/quote]

Preaching to choir about playing golf...I completely understand...The x-flex ahina are on backorder from Ping right now so I understand that as well. If you like the way that shaft feels that is what I would try in the 913 or if you can be lucky enough to find a black tie with the Anser tip on it then I would give that a shot...The shafts are pretty similar in weight, performance, the feel will be a little different but that's about it...Probably would also try the 8.5 Head in the 913D3 as well...

[tmax77]

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[quote name='floycota' timestamp='1351812754' post='5879757']
[quote name='tmax77' timestamp='1351809672' post='5879563']
No I think if you really want a Titleist head I am sure you can find a shaft that will kill spin...what shafts have you used?
[/quote]
In the 910, Kiyoshi (Purple and Black), Nunchuk, pretty much all the MRC, a few GDI, no Matrix stuff though.
[/quote]

What are your numbers? Where they stiff shafts? X-stiff? Tipped?

Sometimes it is just a swing thing you may not be able to get optimal numbers but can still get really good numbers..
[/quote]
I'll need to find the fitting sheet (if I still have it). I tried stiff and X-stiff shafts (almost everything had standard OEM tipping). I believe the 05 Kiyoshi black was ~13, 3,300. The S or X Ahina was ~15.5 and 3,400 (if I'm remember these correctly). The ballspeeds were similar to other drivers. The Anser was better for me because of the lower spin. I don't mind a high LA, I prefer it. I'm sure I could get a combo to work, I'll see maybe the 913 will be different for me.
[/quote]

Happen to know what your angle of attack was? Which launch monitor? The 05 kyoshi black do you know what weight?
[/quote]
About +3, Flightscope (I'm 95% sure on this), the Kiyoshi was the 75 gram version.
[/quote]

Do you by chance remember swingspeed or ballspeed? very well could be where you are hitting it on the face of the 910....sweetspot isn't as big and slight miss hits will cause extra spin.
[/quote]
Ballspeed was about 170, smashfactors were in the 1.48 range. I was hitting it pretty much on the sweetspot. Don't worry about it too much. I'm a higher spin player, I know it was easier reduce the spin with the Anser head than fooling around with really exotic shafts and tipping. It could be done but I didn't have my heart set on playing a 910. I'll have to see if the 913 is different. Maybe I'll get different results with it.
[/quote]

Wow..that's awesome I would try the 913 Head but think the Anser will be a better bet based on Spin...

[NTKT10]

[quote name='Brick Tamland' timestamp='1351868329' post='5882129']
I hit these back to back on the InFlight monitors at Golfsmith this week. Both were 8.5 heads with the stiff Mitsu black shaft, I believe the weights on the shafts were like 2 grams different (60 vs 62?). I did not check the adjustment settings but assume they were standard. The numbers I got were [b]remarkably[/b] similar. Slightly higher spin & carry with the Anser, less spin and more roll with the 913. Both were giving me a total distance around 280. I preferred the look, sound, and feel of the Titleist. The Anser is a very good driver on it's own, however, and I'd be happy to game either one.

I was just warming up for a lesson, so I didn't look too closely at the numbers, I should've taken a picture with my phone. I'll go back sometime soon and do a more thorough test. About me... I'm an 8 hc with a SS in the [b]mid-upper 100s[/b].
[/quote]

SS of 150+, that's impressive. Seriously though, it's interesting that you found the Anser higher spin than the 913. How did the launch angles compare? Or maybe that 8.5 was closer to 10*. I have an Anser that I've barely hit and am now contemplating the 913 or new Nike driver :/

[Brick Tamland]

[quote name='NTKT10' timestamp='1351869387' post='5882213']SS of 150+, that's impressive. Seriously though, it's interesting that you found the Anser higher spin than the 913. How did the launch angles compare? Or maybe that 8.5 was closer to 10*. I have an Anser that I've barely hit and am now contemplating the 913 or new Nike driver :/
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I'm a beast, what can I say. Like I mentioned, I just didn't look at the numbers that came up all that closely other than backspin, I didn't even check to see what settings the clubs were on, just grabbed them both and started hitting away. My Golftec coach went and got the Diamana shaft for the Ping so we could compare more apples to apples, but I also had to endure his heckling during my short 10 minute session. I definitely will go back and do a more scientific test sometime soon, as I liked both sticks but preferred the Titleist off-hand. I'm not even in the market, just doing it for fun.

Sidebar: hope the OP doesn't think I'm jacking his thread, since him and the other guys in here clearly know more about fitting and interpreting the numbers than I do. I just thought I'd throw my anecdotal opinion out there.

[tmax77]

[quote name='Brick Tamland' timestamp='1351870588' post='5882317']
[quote name='NTKT10' timestamp='1351869387' post='5882213']SS of 150+, that's impressive. Seriously though, it's interesting that you found the Anser higher spin than the 913. How did the launch angles compare? Or maybe that 8.5 was closer to 10*. I have an Anser that I've barely hit and am now contemplating the 913 or new Nike driver :/
[/quote]

I'm a beast, what can I say. Like I mentioned, I just didn't look at the numbers that came up all that closely other than backspin, I didn't even check to see what settings the clubs were on, just grabbed them both and started hitting away. My Golftec coach went and got the Diamana shaft for the Ping so we could compare more apples to apples, but I also had to endure his heckling during my short 10 minute session. I definitely will go back and do a more scientific test sometime soon, as I liked both sticks but preferred the Titleist off-hand. I'm not even in the market, just doing it for fun.



Sidebar: hope the OP doesn't think I'm jacking his thread, since him and the other guys in here clearly know more about fitting and interpreting the numbers than I do. I just thought I'd throw my anecdotal opinion out there.
[/quote]

No worries man...love to hear opinions....

[Vian]

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[quote name='Vian' timestamp='1351857889' post='5881509']
Great read..
Been playing Blueboard 73 s for years & can't make up my mind between S+ 62 & 72...Just can't..for now..
[/quote]

What head have you been playing the Blueboard in? Would Start with the standard S+ 72 although you may need to tip it to get it quite right...
[/quote]

Thanks for the reply
Been using it in a 909D2 & a 9064ls, both in 9.5..
Was planning on the D3, same loft..

[hound25]

I have an Anser 8.5 with x-flex Ahina tipped 1". My swing speed measured on TRACKMAN is 128 consistently. I have a tendency to spin the ball a bit too much, but with this combo, I have literally hit zero balls that I would consider a spinner. (Ballooning and rising ball flight). I had the Ahina straight in at first and once in a while, it spun a bit. After tipping, nearly perfect. I play to a 1hdcp and this driver is one of the best I've hit in a long time. VERY forgiving, low spin and long. I know everyone is different, but this one for sure fits me. It would be tough to top.

[tmax77]

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[quote name='Vian' timestamp='1351857889' post='5881509']
Great read..
Been playing Blueboard 73 s for years & can't make up my mind between S+ 62 & 72...Just can't..for now..
[/quote]

What head have you been playing the Blueboard in? Would Start with the standard S+ 72 although you may need to tip it to get it quite right...
[/quote]

Thanks for the reply
Been using it in a 909D2 & a 9064ls, both in 9.5..
Was planning on the D3, same loft..
[/quote]
Were the shafts factory installed or after market? How is the trajectory in your 909 d2? guess you could always add a little loft in the D3 if you needed too...
I think you will really like the D3 it is an awesome driver.

[tmax77]

[quote name='hound25' timestamp='1351949228' post='5885975']
I have an Anser 8.5 with x-flex Ahina tipped 1". My swing speed measured on TRACKMAN is 128 consistently. I have a tendency to spin the ball a bit too much, but with this combo, I have literally hit zero balls that I would consider a spinner. (Ballooning and rising ball flight). I had the Ahina straight in at first and once in a while, it spun a bit. After tipping, nearly perfect. I play to a 1hdcp and this driver is one of the best I've hit in a long time. VERY forgiving, low spin and long. I know everyone is different, but this one for sure fits me. It would be tough to top.
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Wow that is saying something if you have that type of speed and just by tipping the X Ahina there are no spinners...I agree I think the Anser is a sweet looking head...it just breeds confidence when looking at it.

[Vian]

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[quote name='Vian' timestamp='1351857889' post='5881509']
Great read..
Been playing Blueboard 73 s for years & can't make up my mind between S+ 62 & 72...Just can't..for now..
[/quote]

What head have you been playing the Blueboard in? Would Start with the standard S+ 72 although you may need to tip it to get it quite right...
[/quote]

Thanks for the reply
Been using it in a 909D2 & a 9064ls, both in 9.5..
Was planning on the D3, same loft..
[/quote]
Were the shafts factory installed or after market? How is the trajectory in your 909 d2? guess you could always add a little loft in the D3 if you needed too...
I think you will really like the D3 it is an awesome driver.
[/quote]

From Titleist on the 909, x5ct on the Adams..feel the same to me.
Flat & medium on the 909, not lower with the Adams..
Will take the S+ 72 untipped i think
Can't wait to play it