Vintage persimmon find. I have no clue who makes them. Help identify.

[UCSBManny]

Happy New Year WRX' ers, I found a ton of cool vintage persimmons at a thrift store this week but I cant identify these two woods. I have no clue who makes them and when. Anyways hope someone can help.

[Shallowface]

First, they are laminated woods, not persimmon. You can tell by the plywood like layers on the faces.

I have seen these before, but it's been a long time. I want to say they are component clubheads that were sold by an outfit called Golf Day back in the 70s, but I may be wrong about that. I've got tons of old catalogs, but I don't think I have one of those.

Have fun hitting them!

[UCSBManny]

@shallowface, thanks for the info, I had no idea they were not persimmons. Im definitely putting them in the bag tomorrow.

[BIG STU]

[quote name='Shallowface' timestamp='1388618518' post='8381027']
First, they are laminated woods, not persimmon. You can tell by the plywood like layers on the faces.

I have seen these before, but it's been a long time. I want to say they are component clubheads that were sold by an outfit called Golf Day back in the 70s, but I may be wrong about that. I've got tons of old catalogs, but I don't think I have one of those.

Have fun hitting them!
[/quote] I believe you are correct on that. I remember the Golf Day co I ordered my first club repair course from them back in 70 or so. I don't have any of that stuff now sadly though. I think they were out of Chicago. If I am not mistaken they may have morphed into Golfworks

[Shallowface]

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[quote name='Shallowface' timestamp='1388618518' post='8381027']
First, they are laminated woods, not persimmon. You can tell by the plywood like layers on the faces.

I have seen these before, but it's been a long time. I want to say they are component clubheads that were sold by an outfit called Golf Day back in the 70s, but I may be wrong about that. I've got tons of old catalogs, but I don't think I have one of those.

Have fun hitting them!
[/quote] I believe you are correct on that. I remember the Golf Day co I ordered my first club repair course from them back in 70 or so. I don't have any of that stuff now sadly though. I think they were out of Chicago. If I am not mistaken they may have morphed into Golfworks
[/quote]

Golf Day still exists in some form as a brand used by The Sports Authority stores. I can't remember when they ceased to exist as a component supplier.

I've been a customer of The Golfworks pretty much since the beginning, and there was never any connection between them and Golf Day.

My first project as a clubmaker was a fairway wood kit that I bought from Golf Day. It was for a 7 wood, which was something that wasn't all that easy to find back then.

I've pretty much dropped out of component clubmaking due to the fact that inexpensive used OEM clubs are so plentiful these days. One can buy something, play with it for a year and resell it at no loss. For me, the whole point of component clubmaking was to try clubs at cheaper prices (never did fool with clones or knockoffs to any great degree). I'm not going to pay $100+ for a driver head that is pretty much worthless as far as resale is concerned.

I still buy grips from The Golfworks (and Hireko).

[Shallowface]

[quote name='UCSBManny' timestamp='1388611583' post='8380427']
Happy New Year WRX' ers, I found a ton of cool vintage persimmons at a thrift store this week but I cant identify these two woods. I have no clue who makes them and when. Anyways hope someone can help.
[/quote]

When I was poking around the thrift store today, I saw some irons with this "H" on them.

On the sole was stamped "Allied." Allied was (is?) a manufacturer of inexpensive clubs based in Chicago.

So these aren't Golf Day component clubs, but in fact were made by Allied. They are from the late 70s/early 80s. Just wanted to let you know.

[rymail00]

Whats the difference between persimmons and lamenated?

[super20dan]

persimmion is carved from one block of wood. lam is in layers like plywood. more durable less feel than persimmion. lamenated is usually from maple wood

[Shallowface]

Laminated being more durable than persimmon was certainly how they were sold back in the day, but I'm not sure how true it is. I see a lot more cracked necks on thrift store laminated woods than on those made of persimmon. They're all cracked the same way, just below where the whipping ends and right across the layer lines.

It's possible the laminated woods were more resistant to water damage.

[rymail00]

[quote name='super20dan' timestamp='1393742738' post='8776228']
persimmion is carved from one block of wood. lam is in layers like plywood. more durable less feel than persimmion. lamenated is usually from maple wood
[/quote]

So i am guessing...but, i assume higher quality persimmons are made from different types of woods?

[KevCarter]

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[quote name='super20dan' timestamp='1393742738' post='8776228']
persimmion is carved from one block of wood. lam is in layers like plywood. more durable less feel than persimmion. lamenated is usually from maple wood
[/quote]

So i am guessing...but, i assume higher quality persimmons are made from different types of woods?
[/quote]

I think the really good persimmon is made out of oak and mahogany.

[KevCarter]

LOL Sorry, couldn't resist. Persimmon is a type of wood.

[Soloman1]

Persimmon is a fruit!

(That comes from a Titanium tree?)

[rymail00]

[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393792917' post='8779678']
LOL Sorry, couldn't resist. Persimmon is a type of wood.
[/quote]

LMAO!!!! I even have to laugh at that. I honestly had no idea. I am 32 so its a lil before my time.

Lol thanks for the response tho!!

[KevCarter]

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[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393792917' post='8779678']
LOL Sorry, couldn't resist. Persimmon is a type of wood.
[/quote]

LMAO!!!! I even have to laugh at that. I honestly had no idea. I am 32 so its a lil before my time.

Lol thanks for the response tho!!
[/quote]

No problem. I was just thinking, I'll bet the majority of posters here haven't ever used a wooden wood. How would you know?

Cheers for taking my dorky post in the spirit intended!

Kevin

[BrianL99]

[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393803250' post='8782098']
[quote name='rymail00' timestamp='1393803106' post='8782076']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393792917' post='8779678']
LOL Sorry, couldn't resist. Persimmon is a type of wood.
[/quote]

LMAO!!!! I even have to laugh at that. I honestly had no idea. I am 32 so its a lil before my time.

Lol thanks for the response tho!!
[/quote]

No problem. I was just thinking, I'll bet the majority of posters here haven't ever used a wooden wood. How would you know?

Cheers for taking my dorky post in the spirit intended!

Kevin
[/quote]

Seeing as I think you're the oldest & most experienced guy in the thread Kevin ...

Why were "woods" always made from Persimmon?

The laminates were always always Maple ... baseball bats are almost always Ash ... how did they decide on Persimmon for golf woods, even though after the 30's, there was an "insert" that actually hit the ball.

[KevCarter]

[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1393803468' post='8782134']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393803250' post='8782098']
[quote name='rymail00' timestamp='1393803106' post='8782076']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393792917' post='8779678']
LOL Sorry, couldn't resist. Persimmon is a type of wood.
[/quote]

LMAO!!!! I even have to laugh at that. I honestly had no idea. I am 32 so its a lil before my time.

Lol thanks for the response tho!!
[/quote]

No problem. I was just thinking, I'll bet the majority of posters here haven't ever used a wooden wood. How would you know?

Cheers for taking my dorky post in the spirit intended!

Kevin
[/quote]

Seeing as I think you're the oldest & most experienced guy in the thread Kevin ...

Why were "woods" always made from Persimmon?

The laminates were always always Maple ... baseball bats are almost always Ash ... how did they decide on Persimmon for golf woods, even though after the 30's, there was an "insert" that actually hit the ball.
[/quote]

Great question Brian, and I don't know the answer. I can tell you how selecting your equipment was different. No two clubs were alike, and finding just the right one was a quest. Once you found it, you wouldn't change. If something happened to it, it couldn't be replaced. It was truly an art...

If you were a "player" in the 70's and early 80's, you used a persimmon driver from the 50's and 60's.

Kevin

[BrianL99]

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[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1393803468' post='8782134']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393803250' post='8782098']
[quote name='rymail00' timestamp='1393803106' post='8782076']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393792917' post='8779678']
LOL Sorry, couldn't resist. Persimmon is a type of wood.
[/quote]

LMAO!!!! I even have to laugh at that. I honestly had no idea. I am 32 so its a lil before my time.

Lol thanks for the response tho!!
[/quote]

No problem. I was just thinking, I'll bet the majority of posters here haven't ever used a wooden wood. How would you know?

Cheers for taking my dorky post in the spirit intended!

Kevin
[/quote]

Seeing as I think you're the oldest & most experienced guy in the thread Kevin ...

Why were "woods" always made from Persimmon?

The laminates were always always Maple ... baseball bats are almost always Ash ... how did they decide on Persimmon for golf woods, even though after the 30's, there was an "insert" that actually hit the ball.
[/quote]

Great question Brian, and I don't know the answer. I can tell you how selecting your equipment was different. No two clubs were alike, and finding just the right one was a quest. Once you found it, you wouldn't change. If something happened to it, it couldn't be replaced. It was truly an art...

If you were a "player" in the 70's and early 80's, you used a persimmon driver from the 50's and 60's.

Kevin
[/quote]

I played an 945W, & M85 & M33, until I switched to a Pittsburgh Persimmon. I used to be pretty active in buying & selling the stuff, when it was hot. I once sold a LFF to a buyer from Japan for $2000 ... back in the 80's, when money was money. There was a time when there was almost as much Persimmon sitting in my cellar, as there is in Charley Penna's cellar, now

& in answer to my question ...

If I remember correctly (& memory is the 2nd thing to go), I believe it had to do with availability & Persimmon had properties that allowed it to be shaped & "turned" well. It also had a particularly attractive looking grain pattern, at least in the 40's & 50's, before all the good grain was used up.

[KevCarter]

[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1393804956' post='8782406']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393803839' post='8782214']
[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1393803468' post='8782134']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393803250' post='8782098']
[quote name='rymail00' timestamp='1393803106' post='8782076']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393792917' post='8779678']
LOL Sorry, couldn't resist. Persimmon is a type of wood.
[/quote]

LMAO!!!! I even have to laugh at that. I honestly had no idea. I am 32 so its a lil before my time.

Lol thanks for the response tho!!
[/quote]

No problem. I was just thinking, I'll bet the majority of posters here haven't ever used a wooden wood. How would you know?

Cheers for taking my dorky post in the spirit intended!

Kevin
[/quote]

Seeing as I think you're the oldest & most experienced guy in the thread Kevin ...

Why were "woods" always made from Persimmon?

The laminates were always always Maple ... baseball bats are almost always Ash ... how did they decide on Persimmon for golf woods, even though after the 30's, there was an "insert" that actually hit the ball.
[/quote]

Great question Brian, and I don't know the answer. I can tell you how selecting your equipment was different. No two clubs were alike, and finding just the right one was a quest. Once you found it, you wouldn't change. If something happened to it, it couldn't be replaced. It was truly an art...

If you were a "player" in the 70's and early 80's, you used a persimmon driver from the 50's and 60's.

Kevin
[/quote]

I played an 945W, & M85 & M33, until I switched to a Pittsburgh Persimmon. I used to be pretty active in buying & selling the stuff, when it was hot. I once sold a LFF to a buyer from Japan for $2000 ... back in the 80's, when money was money. There was a time when there was almost as much Persimmon sitting in my cellar, as there is in Charley Penna's cellar, now

& in answer to my question ...

If I remember correctly (& memory is the 2nd thing to go), I believe it had to do with availability & Persimmon had properties that allowed it to be shaped & "turned" well. It also had a particularly attractive looking grain pattern, at least in the 40's & 50's, before all the good grain was used up.
[/quote]

We were into the same stuff Brian. The best driver I ever had was the 653T. I loved that thing. I just bought a set of them on the bay last year for about $100.00. I think when we were collecting a mint set would have been pretty spendy... wouldn't it be fun to see some of that stuff we had again?!?!?!?

[BrianL99]

Here we go

[KevCarter]

[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1393805364' post='8782478']
Here we go
[/quote]

Nice find!!!

[BrianL99]

[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393805462' post='8782492']
[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1393805364' post='8782478']
Here we go
[/quote]

Nice find!!!
[/quote]

You might like this, Kevin:

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/979776-witb-big-mouths-new-retro-bag-is-ready-to-rock-roll/

[Wriggles]

Up until 20 years ago or so, I never really gave a thought whether a wood was laminated or persimmon. One day, I was playing with a fellow, who proceeded to tell me that my wood was made of maple, and HIS was block persimmon.

The guy really wasn't a snob, but the way he said it, he insinuated that any laminated club was just plain junk. I don't agree. If Hagen and Hogan made laminates, they're probably just as good performance wise as block persimmons. Persimmons are prettier, though.

Just my opinion.

[super20dan]

me and my friends broke every persimmion wood we had playing top flites when they first came out . the maples held up.

[rymail00]

[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393803250' post='8782098']
[quote name='rymail00' timestamp='1393806' post='8782076']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1393792917' post='8779678']
LOL Sorry, couldn't resist. Persimmon is a type of wood.
[/quote]

LMAO!!!! I even have to laugh at that. I honestly had no idea. I am 32 so its a lil before my time.

Lol thanks for the response tho!!
[/quote]

No problem. I was just thinking, I'll bet the majority of posters here haven't ever used a wooden wood. How would you know?

Cheers for taking my dorky post in the spirit intended!

Kevin
[/quote]

No definitely no offense taken. I have read tons of your posts over the years, and enjoy them. I started playing when i was like 5-6 in the mid 80's. My grandfather LOVED his Ping wooden woods. I was just a kid so what he said was ''the law'', and i assumed was the be all end all. I think i may try and find a Ping wood on ebay. Do you recall if they were Persimmon or laminated?

Sorry for all the newbie questions. I would like to build an old set of woods and maybe Mcgregor irons for fun, just dont know enough on about either to make a educated purchase lol. Were Ping woods any good?

Thanks!
Ryan

[oldschoolrocker]

No problem with lack of knowledge and willingness to learn. We all have various degrees of subject matter expertness in different areas and when we all share our collective knowledge base then it's win/win for everyone.
The Pings were laminate, but were, and still are considered very playable. My all time favorite fairway wood was a Blonde Ping Zing 3 wood.

[KevCarter]

I agree with OldSchoolRocker. The Ping woods were very forgiving, and very easy to get up in the air.

[rymail00]

[quote name='oldschoolrocker' timestamp='1394019591' post='8801827']
No problem with lack of knowledge and willingness to learn. We all have various degrees of subject matter expertness in different areas and when we all share our collective knowledge base then it's win/win for everyone.
The Pings were laminate, but were, and still are considered very playable. My all time favorite fairway wood was a Blonde Ping Zing 3 wood.
[/quote][quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1394019805' post='8801835']
I agree with OldSchoolRocker. The Ping woods were very forgiving, and very easy to get up in the air.
[/quote]

Thanks, it makes me not feel like a jacka$$ for asking questions.

I think i would like to find a decent persimmon driver to hit at the range to just see how hard it is to hit.

[BIG STU]

[quote name='rymail00' timestamp='1394064884' post='8806829']
[quote name='oldschoolrocker' timestamp='1394019591' post='8801827']
No problem with lack of knowledge and willingness to learn. We all have various degrees of subject matter expertness in different areas and when we all share our collective knowledge base then it's win/win for everyone.
The Pings were laminate, but were, and still are considered very playable. My all time favorite fairway wood was a Blonde Ping Zing 3 wood.
[/quote][quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1394019805' post='8801835']
I agree with OldSchoolRocker. The Ping woods were very forgiving, and very easy to get up in the air.
[/quote]

Thanks, it makes me not feel like a jacka$$ for asking questions.

I think i would like to find a decent persimmon driver to hit at the range to just see how hard it is to hit.
[/quote]Don't hit hard range balls with the older persimmon driver due to age you stand a chance of cracking it and these range balls are harder than Chinese math now. If I hit my persimmons at the range I bring along a few old Precept Laddies or ladies to hit with them. We get them cheap down here since everyone hawks golf balls and they are considered outdated. The range I hit at the guys when they pick balls and cull them usually throw them out for me and I get them back. But I can get them at the flea market for a dollar or so a dozen. When I play vintage I usually hit the afore mentioned balls or some older Wilson Staff f3s or the Wilson Staff 50s. I learned this from the folks on here

[rymail00]

[quote name='BIG STU' timestamp='1394102047' post='8809837']
[quote name='rymail00' timestamp='1394064884' post='8806829']
[quote name='oldschoolrocker' timestamp='1394019591' post='8801827']
No problem with lack of knowledge and willingness to learn. We all have various degrees of subject matter expertness in different areas and when we all share our collective knowledge base then it's win/win for everyone.
The Pings were laminate, but were, and still are considered very playable. My all time favorite fairway wood was a Blonde Ping Zing 3 wood.
[/quote][quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1394019805' post='8801835']
I agree with OldSchoolRocker. The Ping woods were very forgiving, and very easy to get up in the air.
[/quote]

Thanks, it makes me not feel like a jacka$$ for asking questions.

I think i would like to find a decent persimmon driver to hit at the range to just see how hard it is to hit.
[/quote]Don't hit hard range balls with the older persimmon driver due to age you stand a chance of cracking it and these range balls are harder than Chinese math now. If I hit my persimmons at the range I bring along a few old Precept Laddies or ladies to hit with them. We get them cheap down here since everyone hawks golf balls and they are considered outdated. The range I hit at the guys when they pick balls and cull them usually throw them out for me and I get them back. But I can get them at the flea market for a dollar or so a dozen. When I play vintage I usually hit the afore mentioned balls or some older Wilson Staff f3s or the Wilson Staff 50s. I learned this from the folks on here
[/quote]

Ok. Thanks for the input. I didn't know that, i glad you told me.