Ask and you shall receive-The no turn cast drill

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  • NoTalentLeftyNoTalentLefty Members Posts: 3,442 ✭✭
    I just got this video. Thanks.
    Livin' proof that Lefties are not naturally talented.

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  • WeetbixWeetbix Members Posts: 72 ✭✭
    Incorporated the "No turn" backswing idea for our National championships for ISeekGolf here in Australia. Six rounds in six days and didn't score less than 31 points, won rounds 2 and 3 and 2nd in the first round.



    Best bit was how good I feel after 6 rounds- the change promotes much more generation of speed through the wrists where before I was relying more on rotation which worked my back and stabilizing muscles much harder.
  • jimb6golfjimb6golf Members Posts: 1,507 ✭✭
    Nice drill to combat my recent tendency to overturn in my backswing. The 'no turn' drill has helped to get control and stabilize my lower body during my backswing. At first it feels like an arms only swing but eventually you get the feeling of setting the club and even turning better around a stabilized lower body. Still a work in progress after messing up my swing over the past few months. Now if only the 'cast' portion of the drill would take effect as well I'd be much better off. I'll keep trying though.
  • StanksStanks Everything I post is confrontational Members Posts: 1,158 ✭✭
    Monte, this drill is gold. I have had a serious case of the thins, tops, and skulls lately in my irons. I don't know what the cause what but i am guessing my right wrist has been staying locked up or something else but, this definitely helped. I'm not cured by any means but, this is a step in the right direction. Thank you for the drill.
  • CwingCwing Members Posts: 8,010 ✭✭
    edited Nov 27, 2018 #276
    For me, it drastically reduced my sway. When I control the sway, I play well for me.
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  • WeetbixWeetbix Members Posts: 72 ✭✭

    Weetbix wrote:


    Hi Monte



    Is the backswing part of this drill a legitimate approach to making your backswing when you actually play? The position it gets me in see s really good and I was thinking I should use it in play.



    But then I wondered if there would be a down side to it?

    Cheers

    Brendan




    Yes :-)




    A follow up question Monte - what do you need to add to the drill to create a useable golf swing to play with?



    The drill creates a backswing with good positions, and a solid impact position - what aspects of it mean that it is not useable in practice?
  • pheenomz4774pheenomz4774 Members Posts: 894 ✭✭
    Bumping a legendary thread with an update on my breakthrough working with this drill. For a couple of years I've tried to practice implementing the no turn cast drill into my swing with minimal positive/mediocre results. Today while doing some on course practice I FINALLY figured out the additional swing thought/feel that makes this drill so magically effective. Again this works for me. I was always able to set my wrists and get into a pretty good back swing position, but "casting" from the top is where things fell apart.



    Today though, I had an additional swing 'feel' when doing the cast part of the drill. My 'feel' was to not move my left arm and try and keep it straight out at my shoulder when starting the downswing with my right wrist. Of course I wasn't doing that at all, what I really was doing was preventing my left wrist from also trying to assist in casting the club (this led to my arms dropping to fast too soon and then me trying to save slamming the club into the ground 10 inches behind the ball and chaos ensued from there). This one thing drastically improved my results on all shots, and it is worth sharing if it helps any of you.
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  • MonteScheinblumMonteScheinblum Rebellion Golf Sponsors Posts: 18,188 ✭✭
    Weetbix wrote:


    Weetbix wrote:


    Hi Monte



    Is the backswing part of this drill a legitimate approach to making your backswing when you actually play? The position it gets me in see s really good and I was thinking I should use it in play.



    But then I wondered if there would be a down side to it?

    Cheers

    Brendan




    Yes :-)




    A follow up question Monte - what do you need to add to the drill to create a useable golf swing to play with?



    The drill creates a backswing with good positions, and a solid impact position - what aspects of it mean that it is not useable in practice?




    Nothing, just hit the ball.
  • TheDeanAbidesTheDeanAbides Members Posts: 90
    I disregarded this idea because it looks so whacky, but my pitching has recently become the weakest part of my game and has been preventing me from shooting in the 70s. Implementing Monte's pitching technique, which is, essentially, this in a smaller swing, transformed my short game overnight. Well, maybe there's something in this, I think...



    I just added a little more juice to the backswing and hit full wedges with an effortless sense of timing. Mmm, maybe it'll work with other clubs after all... Works great up to about 6 iron (which is exactly what Monte suggests) and makes it MUCH easier to also incorporate Monte's left arm parallel swing thought to shorten a backswing that I've never been able to keep under control.



    I'm glad that I looked outside of the pivot driven feelings box and found something that allows me to sync up my swing like nothing else ever has. Thanks Monte!
  • juststevejuststeve Members Posts: 4,707 ✭✭
    What I like best about this drill is it demonstrates how much your body will do unconsciously if you do the right things with the club consciously.



    Steve
  • FireballerFireballer Members Posts: 368 ✭✭
    edited Dec 8, 2018 #282
    Theres alot to this drill. By not even trying to improve my shoulder turn, a better turn resulted in response to an earlier wrist set. By setting wrist earlier, it helped me feel a proper release by "forcing" me to try to uncock my wrists. The result? Head back, arms forward. When I first started it, if felt like my swing was 99% wrist action. Well guess what? I needed more active wrists but never knew it since I was a "fire the hips" guy.
  • WeetbixWeetbix Members Posts: 72 ✭✭

    Weetbix wrote:


    Weetbix wrote:


    Hi Monte



    Is the backswing part of this drill a legitimate approach to making your backswing when you actually play? The position it gets me in see s really good and I was thinking I should use it in play.



    But then I wondered if there would be a down side to it?

    Cheers

    Brendan




    Yes :-)




    A follow up question Monte - what do you need to add to the drill to create a useable golf swing to play with?



    The drill creates a backswing with good positions, and a solid impact position - what aspects of it mean that it is not useable in practice?




    Nothing, just hit the ball.




    Thanks



    Working on this at the range and had an ah ha moment



    I'd been directing my cast at the ball with very mixed results. Then I remembered something - if you are starting the cast right at transition then the cast is back behind you, not down. I'd really been struggling to square the face. All of a sudden it's much more consistent.
  • jumborossjumboross Members Posts: 75 ✭✭
    So I tried this in competition yesterday. A few balls on the range then straight in. Probably the most in control I’ve ever felt on the golf course. Hit a couple fat, but the change was immediately obvious and positive. And all of this in 20knot wind gusting 35. I’m sticking with it. I am the guy that lets his back swing run away with him etc as described by Monte in the video.
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  • cdfscdfs Members Posts: 8 ✭✭
    Using this for my swing for about 4 weeks now with absolutely beautiful results from LW to 6i and 7w (long, straight, most with a slight draw, very consistent), but horribly struggling with driver. With driver 8 out of 10 hits are a push slice, 1 giant hook and 1 maybe straight, but nearly same carry-distance as my 7w (ok, maybe 10-15 yrds further) . It seems for me quite obvious that I can't get the face squared fast enough and if I try by intent, it gets to fast (=hook). Was fiddling already with ball-position (from near middle to outside left foot), but with no real results. Any ideas? At the moment my driver is pretty useless. I could hit it before at least to some amount but with no real consistency (maybe 4 out of 10 quite straight and 300+ yrds, rest mostly wild hooks and occasionaly a slice).
  • WeetbixWeetbix Members Posts: 72 ✭✭
    cdfs wrote:


    Using this for my swing for about 4 weeks now with absolutely beautiful results from LW to 6i and 7w (long, straight, most with a slight draw, very consistent), but horribly struggling with driver. With driver 8 out of 10 hits are a push slice, 1 giant hook and 1 maybe straight, but nearly same carry-distance as my 7w (ok, maybe 10-15 yrds further) . It seems for me quite obvious that I can't get the face squared fast enough and if I try by intent, it gets to fast (=hook). Was fiddling already with ball-position (from near middle to outside left foot), but with no real results. Any ideas? At the moment my driver is pretty useless. I could hit it before at least to some amount but with no real consistency (maybe 4 out of 10 quite straight and 300+ yrds, rest mostly wild hooks and occasionaly a slice).




    Here is what Monte said on page 2




    This is more of an iron feel as I said in the video. Let is bleed into driver with reps, versus active implementation.
  • WeetbixWeetbix Members Posts: 72 ✭✭
    Took yesterday's learning to the course today. Was wayward early starting with hooks then a few pushes and hooks mixed together. After 6 holes got my setup matching better and started hitting fairways and greens and played the next 9 holes to par with 1 birdie and 1 bogie.



    Hopefully a sign of things go come and not a flash in the pan.
  • cdfscdfs Members Posts: 8 ✭✭
    Weetbix wrote:

    cdfs wrote:


    Using this for my swing for about 4 weeks now with absolutely beautiful results from LW to 6i and 7w (long, straight, most with a slight draw, very consistent), but horribly struggling with driver. With driver 8 out of 10 hits are a push slice, 1 giant hook and 1 maybe straight, but nearly same carry-distance as my 7w (ok, maybe 10-15 yrds further) . It seems for me quite obvious that I can't get the face squared fast enough and if I try by intent, it gets to fast (=hook). Was fiddling already with ball-position (from near middle to outside left foot), but with no real results. Any ideas? At the moment my driver is pretty useless. I could hit it before at least to some amount but with no real consistency (maybe 4 out of 10 quite straight and 300+ yrds, rest mostly wild hooks and occasionaly a slice).




    Here is what Monte said on page 2




    This is more of an iron feel as I said in the video. Let is bleed into driver with reps, versus active implementation.



    Missed that, thanks.Anyhow, any tips/drills like this for driver?
  • WeetbixWeetbix Members Posts: 72 ✭✭
    cdfs wrote:

    Weetbix wrote:

    cdfs wrote:


    Using this for my swing for about 4 weeks now with absolutely beautiful results from LW to 6i and 7w (long, straight, most with a slight draw, very consistent), but horribly struggling with driver. With driver 8 out of 10 hits are a push slice, 1 giant hook and 1 maybe straight, but nearly same carry-distance as my 7w (ok, maybe 10-15 yrds further) . It seems for me quite obvious that I can't get the face squared fast enough and if I try by intent, it gets to fast (=hook). Was fiddling already with ball-position (from near middle to outside left foot), but with no real results. Any ideas? At the moment my driver is pretty useless. I could hit it before at least to some amount but with no real consistency (maybe 4 out of 10 quite straight and 300+ yrds, rest mostly wild hooks and occasionaly a slice).




    Here is what Monte said on page 2




    This is more of an iron feel as I said in the video. Let is bleed into driver with reps, versus active implementation.



    Missed that, thanks.Anyhow, any tips/drills like this for driver?




    My guess is work the drill with irons and wedges and then just swing the driver relying on the body learning from the drill - based on the quoted post from Monte



    With driver yesterday I was still doing the same swing which is the drill. But I will say thatvwheb I'm swinging that way I'm really just focussed on swinging the clubhead back with wrist action and then transitioning with a feel as if I was casting a fishing rod back down the line. That's how I've translated the drill into a swing feel/thought.



    Early days though so we will see if it holds up long term.
  • MonteScheinblumMonteScheinblum Rebellion Golf Sponsors Posts: 18,188 ✭✭
    Here is some proof that casting is nit the swing fault but an effect, Casting is not a wrist problem or a holding lag problem, it’s a body problem. Right elbow not forward enough, upper body lunge toward target, some backswing issue, etc.



  • hartrick11hartrick11 San DiegoMembers Posts: 31 ✭✭
    I just came across this video yesterday and had my best range session in at least a year. It especially helped on my 3-8 irons that I tend to pull-hook as a result of coming too far inside on my takeaway, then getting vertical with the right elbow disconnected, and flipping my wrists early on the downswing. Even helped with my 3w and driver although I was thinking more about just the backswing than the cast with those clubs. I was still hitting the 9-gw a little bit thin, and generally any misses with the longer clubs were thin fades, but compared to the out of control hook that comes up at least twice a round to ruin a hole (not to mention my attempts at correcting which often made the hook even more pronounced), this is a massive improvement. Thanks Monte!
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