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HsteadHstead Members Posts: 6,335 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
I just pulled up Dan's page and saw he has posted some short game stuff that a lot of guys have had questions about on here. I know one of Dan's pet peeves is that you cannot use a high bounce wedge from tight lies or firm lies. When you know how to use the bounce, then it is more than possible, it is the best route.



I know some of these tips have helped me remember some of the in person stuff that I have not been paying close enough attention to myself.



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  • Marks23Marks23 Members Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Hstead wrote:


    I just pulled up Dan's page and saw he has posted some short game stuff that a lot of guys have had questions about on here. I know one of Dan's pet peeves is that you cannot use a high bounce wedge from tight lies or firm lies. When you know how to use the bounce, then it is more than possible, it is the best route.



    I know some of these tips have helped me remember some of the in person stuff that I have not been paying close enough attention to myself.



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    May be me but link did not work.
  • HsteadHstead Members Posts: 6,335 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Marks23 wrote:

    Hstead wrote:


    I just pulled up Dan's page and saw he has posted some short game stuff that a lot of guys have had questions about on here. I know one of Dan's pet peeves is that you cannot use a high bounce wedge from tight lies or firm lies. When you know how to use the bounce, then it is more than possible, it is the best route.



    I know some of these tips have helped me remember some of the in person stuff that I have not been paying close enough attention to myself.



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    May be me but link did not work.




    Not sure why, maybe because I have "Subscribed" to his channel. Link works for me.
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  • MizunoJunkyMizunoJunky Members Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Here are a few others Dan posted demonstrating the technique.



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    edited Oct 29, 2013 #7
  • QManyQMany #TheWRX ClubWRX Posts: 9,129 ClubWRX
    40 yard pitch shots are dirty. I know that green, that isn't easy.
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  • HsteadHstead Members Posts: 6,335 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I had forgotten about him telling me to only move my arms like a long putt, no body turn as the body will react to the arms. I have gotten away from that and I have been using the pivot too much I believe. I have also gone back to using different clubs, 8 iron, UW, etc. vs just the 58* for all of the shots, especially for long shots with a lot of green to work with. I am going to go back and try the 58* for all of the shots again and focus on the arms and see if I can get back to where I was with that club.
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  • HsteadHstead Members Posts: 6,335 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    QMany wrote:


    40 yard pitch shots are dirty. I know that green, that isn't easy.




    Nope. I would be willing to bet those were the only 4 he hit too.
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  • SurfinTurfSurfinTurf In like Flynn with my 8802 Members Posts: 4,466 ✭✭
    edited Oct 30, 2013 #11
    I find this method intriguing to say the least. But it has not worked for me yet.



    I use a 60* wedge, 3* of bounce, and typically open it up around 30 to 60 degrees.



    I like the address position. I don't like such a shallow approach.



    Then again I practice a lot. I have a good feel for the bottom of the arc. I'm okay with coming in at a V.



    Shallow = trouble.





    I'm still going to try and incorporate this methodology. Wish me luck.
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  • Chase Cooper GolfChase Cooper Golf Members Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    SurfinTurf wrote:


    I find this method intriguing to say the least. But it has not worked for me yet.



    I use a 60* wedge, 3* of bounce, and typically open it up around 30 to 60 degrees.



    I like the address position. I don't like such a shallow approach.



    Then again I practice a lot. I have a good feel for the bottom of the arc. I'm okay with coming in at a V.



    Shallow = trouble.





    I'm still going to try and incorporate this methodology. Wish me luck.




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  • dpb5031dpb5031 Jupiter, FLMembers Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    This is exactly the technique that I use and the beauty of it is that there is significant room for error. You can hit behind it (fat) and still execute a good shot.



    In my case, I had to learn to keep my arms more connected, use a little pivot, and keep my hands from trying to square up the face, which can be a natural reaction for some to starting with the open face.

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  • loadnhipsloadnhips Members Posts: 24
    I think this is only useful (bounce) if AoA is steep. This approach (using bounce) severely cramps the forward arc. Why would we want to do that?
  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Oct 30, 2013 #15
    So it doesn't work when shallow? I use magic to make the videos I make and the shots hundreds of people have watched me hit in person apparently. The bounce is being used by a shallow angle of attack and forward ball position. There is still shaft lean at impact and the club isn't passing the hands through impact. It's the most consistent and simple way to do it effectively. I can hit 6" behind the ball and have it still end up right by then hole. It's extremely useful.



    I'd put my shortgame against almost anyone's and those who have seen it in person would agree.







    Don't think you can get much shallower than this and this ball went straight up off of the putting green which is going dormant and VERY firm



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    Ps everyone knows who you are. You can't stay away yet are horrible at concealing your identity
  • J13J13 Dad golf Members Posts: 15,640 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I will vouch for Dan's shortgame. Saw him hit these same shots on the same green in person. He had me doing it as well although i'm sure his club gets nervous when people are chipping on the green haha.



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  • ej002ej002 Unregistered Posts: 5,129 ✭✭
    So the feel is a long sweeping left arm?



    I would imagine you cant use this out of the rough, gets tangled up?
  • loadnhipsloadnhips Members Posts: 24
    iteachgolf wrote:


    Ps everyone knows who you are. You can't stay away yet are horrible at concealing your identity




    So??



    You're suddenly the "all knowing god" now...you can't take disagreements?



    So if you AoA is so shallow, what is the bounce now for?
  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    ej002 wrote:


    So the feel is a long sweeping left arm?



    I would imagine you cant use this out of the rough, gets tangled up?


    Depends on lie. There are setup adjustments for different lies. Will be filming more clips and eventually a video
  • loadnhipsloadnhips Members Posts: 24
    The reason the "bounce" method works is not because of the bounce...its because of the unhinging L wrist not being "forced" to be flat, letting it unhinge uninterruptedly/undisruptedly...makes the clubface travel squarer longer and more DTL...loft is added because precisely its being unhinged and "cups" earlier...
  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    loadnhips wrote:

    iteachgolf wrote:


    Ps everyone knows who you are. You can't stay away yet are horrible at concealing your identity




    So??



    You're suddenly the "all knowing god" now...you can't take disagreements?



    So if you AoA is so shallow, what is the bounce now for?


    Obviously this over your head. I can take plenty of disagreements. The bounce is so the club won't dig. Even if you are shallow, when the leading edge hits the ground it will dig. The bounce is so club glides on the ground and increases margin of error exponentially.



    Did you not see the photo and how close the clubhead is to the ground for a very extended period of time?



    There are disagreements and then when people are wrong. To say it won't work or isn't useful is asinine when there are hundreds of people I teach who can attest and videos showing how well it works. You can say you like your way better, that would be a disagreement. You saying it's not useful is asinine and doing so to start crap as you repeatedly do with me under your millionth screename because you keep getting banned leaves you with zero credibility.
  • ej002ej002 Unregistered Posts: 5,129 ✭✭
    Dan - looks like there is a little right hand flip / uncup action in those stills. Is this a conscious effort or just a result of the low/long feel?
  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    loadnhips wrote:


    The reason the "bounce" method works is not because of the bounce...its because of the unhinging L wrist not being "forced" to be flat, letting it unhinge uninterruptedly/undisruptedly...makes the clubface travel squarer longer and more DTL...loft is added because precisely its being unhinged and "cups" earlier...


    Shaft is leaning forward and left wrist is never cupping. Left wrist is FLAT and plane as day in the videos and photos. The reason it works is exactly the bounce and a shallow AoA. If the left wrist were cupping the clubhead would be coming off the ground and not staying close to it. You don't have a clue what you are talking about and the more you talk the clearer that is regardless of the screename you use.
  • loadnhipsloadnhips Members Posts: 24
    iteachgolf wrote:

    loadnhips wrote:

    iteachgolf wrote:


    Ps everyone knows who you are. You can't stay away yet are horrible at concealing your identity




    So??



    You're suddenly the "all knowing god" now...you can't take disagreements?



    So if you AoA is so shallow, what is the bounce now for?


    Obviously this over your head. I can take plenty of disagreements. The bounce is so the club won't dig. Even if you are shallow, when the leading edge hits the ground it will dig. The bounce is so club glides on the ground and increases margin of error exponentially.



    Did you not see the photo and how close the clubhead is to the ground for a very extended period of time?



    There are disagreements and then when people are wrong. To say it won't work or isn't useful is asinine when there are hundreds of people I teach who can attest and videos showing how well it works. You can say you like your way better, that would be a disagreement. You saying it's not useful is asinine and doing so to start crap as you repeatedly do with me under your millionth screename because you keep getting banned leaves you with zero credibility.




    No, disagree with you. The leading edge won't dig the ground if your AoA is shallow and the ball is exactly your low point (vertically, not horizontally or forward/back-wise). The built-in bounce on wedges is enough, no need to put more emphasis on the bounce.



    Why you so concerned with my credibility, yo? My points are worrying you?



    Me, repeatedly doing you with what?
  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    ej002 wrote:


    Dan - looks like there is a little right hand flip / uncup action in those stills. Is this a conscious effort or just a result of the low/long feel?




    Camera angle mainly. Look at first two frames. If the camera were more in front of the player the second two would look the same. Arms have rotated in relation to the camera which skews how it looks. Watch the video. Left wrist is flat and clubhead well below hands long into finish on that swing
  • loadnhipsloadnhips Members Posts: 24
    iteachgolf wrote:

    loadnhips wrote:


    The reason the "bounce" method works is not because of the bounce...its because of the unhinging L wrist not being "forced" to be flat, letting it unhinge uninterruptedly/undisruptedly...makes the clubface travel squarer longer and more DTL...loft is added because precisely its being unhinged and "cups" earlier...


    Shaft is leaning forward and left wrist is never cupping. Left wrist is FLAT and plane as day in the videos and photos. The reason it works is exactly the bounce and a shallow AoA. If the left wrist were cupping the clubhead would be coming off the ground and not staying close to it. You don't have a clue what you are talking about and the more you talk the clearer that is regardless of the screename you use.




    Read it again. I said not "forced" to be flat, the L wrist being let to be unhinged uninterruptedly. Did I say no shaft lean, yo?
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    Didn't realize there's a product to be released soon. Sorry to disrupt the marketing...
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  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    loadnhips wrote:

    iteachgolf wrote:

    loadnhips wrote:

    iteachgolf wrote:


    Ps everyone knows who you are. You can't stay away yet are horrible at concealing your identity




    So??



    You're suddenly the "all knowing god" now...you can't take disagreements?



    So if you AoA is so shallow, what is the bounce now for?


    Obviously this over your head. I can take plenty of disagreements. The bounce is so the club won't dig. Even if you are shallow, when the leading edge hits the ground it will dig. The bounce is so club glides on the ground and increases margin of error exponentially.



    Did you not see the photo and how close the clubhead is to the ground for a very extended period of time?



    There are disagreements and then when people are wrong. To say it won't work or isn't useful is asinine when there are hundreds of people I teach who can attest and videos showing how well it works. You can say you like your way better, that would be a disagreement. You saying it's not useful is asinine and doing so to start crap as you repeatedly do with me under your millionth screename because you keep getting banned leaves you with zero credibility.




    No, disagree with you. The leading edge won't dig the ground if your AoA is shallow and the ball is exactly your low point (vertically, not horizontally or forward/back-wise). The built-in bounce on wedges is enough, no need to put more emphasis on the bounce.



    Why you so concerned with my credibility, yo? My points are worrying you?



    Me, repeatedly doing you with what?




    I'm not worried. If the ball is at low point you'd never hit the ground. Low point will alway be below ground or you will thin it. So yes if the leading edge hits the ground it will dig. When did I say the built in bounce isn't enough. In fact there is slight shaft lean which slightly decreases bounce. Which is why I said use a wedge that has enough bounce built in. I didn't put any emphasis on the bounce other than choosing the correct wedge and slightly opening the face. I am NOT and don't teach anyone to add bounce dynamically. The whole point of what I do is the bounce and margin for error are built in at setup and not done with swing changes

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