New Mizuno irons coming - Tour Proto Pics

[Warrick]

The PW has gotten better starting with the JPX 900 series, but excited to put the 45* T7 PW in the bag with the new custom set, gorgeous looking wedge

[craz-e]

> @jetmech879 said:

> > @craz-e said:

> > Nooooooooooooooo

> > Slightly longer blade length!

> >

> > I’m gonna need to see these in person

>

> This has been the trend with mizuno blades for years. 1 release will be a more compact look, next release will be a slightly more forgiving, larger blade. I always visually gravitate toward the more compact line of their blades but always play better with their "slightly larger" blades. I can't wait to some comparison videos on these.

 

I thought the MP18 was on the larger size before

[jetmech879]

> @craz-e said:

> > @jetmech879 said:

> > > @craz-e said:

> > > Nooooooooooooooo

> > > Slightly longer blade length!

> > >

> > > I’m gonna need to see these in person

> >

> > This has been the trend with mizuno blades for years. 1 release will be a more compact look, next release will be a slightly more forgiving, larger blade. I always visually gravitate toward the more compact line of their blades but always play better with their "slightly larger" blades. I can't wait to some comparison videos on these.

>

> I thought the MP18 was on the larger size before

 

I'm definitely not sure on measurements for the whole sets of blades but maybe I should have said the scoring irons have had this trend. The mp4, and mp18 have better looking, more compact scoring irons than the mp69 and mp5. I do know that the mp4 and mp5 long irons looked nearly identical at address. I had them both at the same time.

[gambit]

> @craz-e said:

> > @jetmech879 said:

> > > @craz-e said:

> > > Nooooooooooooooo

> > > Slightly longer blade length!

> > >

> > > I’m gonna need to see these in person

> >

> > This has been the trend with mizuno blades for years. 1 release will be a more compact look, next release will be a slightly more forgiving, larger blade. I always visually gravitate toward the more compact line of their blades but always play better with their "slightly larger" blades. I can't wait to some comparison videos on these.

>

> I thought the MP18 was on the larger size before

 

Same. They discontinued the sc18 because they said it didn’t offer more forgiveness than the mp18. Since there’s an SC20 a more compact blade would’ve been nice. Fix the ugly pitching wedge and make the option to have a fully copper head without playing an option. I’d pay good money for that. A squarer tow would be nice too.

[craz-e]

> @gambit said:

> > @craz-e said:

> > > @jetmech879 said:

> > > > @craz-e said:

> > > > Nooooooooooooooo

> > > > Slightly longer blade length!

> > > >

> > > > I’m gonna need to see these in person

> > >

> > > This has been the trend with mizuno blades for years. 1 release will be a more compact look, next release will be a slightly more forgiving, larger blade. I always visually gravitate toward the more compact line of their blades but always play better with their "slightly larger" blades. I can't wait to some comparison videos on these.

> >

> > I thought the MP18 was on the larger size before

>

> Same. They discontinued the sc18 because they said it didn’t offer more forgiveness than the mp18. Since there’s an SC20 a more compact blade would’ve been nice. Fix the ugly pitching wedge and make the option to have a fully copper head without playing an option. I’d pay good money for that. A squarer tow would be nice too.

 

Count me in

[gambit]

> @craz-e said:

> > @gambit said:

> > > @craz-e said:

> > > > @jetmech879 said:

> > > > > @craz-e said:

> > > > > Nooooooooooooooo

> > > > > Slightly longer blade length!

> > > > >

> > > > > I’m gonna need to see these in person

> > > >

> > > > This has been the trend with mizuno blades for years. 1 release will be a more compact look, next release will be a slightly more forgiving, larger blade. I always visually gravitate toward the more compact line of their blades but always play better with their "slightly larger" blades. I can't wait to some comparison videos on these.

> > >

> > > I thought the MP18 was on the larger size before

> >

> > Same. They discontinued the sc18 because they said it didn’t offer more forgiveness than the mp18. Since there’s an SC20 a more compact blade would’ve been nice. Fix the ugly pitching wedge and make the option to have a fully copper head without playing an option. I’d pay good money for that. A squarer tow would be nice too.

>

> Count me in

 

Crap my spelling sucks lol

[craz-e]

> @gambit said:

> > @craz-e said:

> > > @gambit said:

> > > > @craz-e said:

> > > > > @jetmech879 said:

> > > > > > @craz-e said:

> > > > > > Nooooooooooooooo

> > > > > > Slightly longer blade length!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I’m gonna need to see these in person

> > > > >

> > > > > This has been the trend with mizuno blades for years. 1 release will be a more compact look, next release will be a slightly more forgiving, larger blade. I always visually gravitate toward the more compact line of their blades but always play better with their "slightly larger" blades. I can't wait to some comparison videos on these.

> > > >

> > > > I thought the MP18 was on the larger size before

> > >

> > > Same. They discontinued the sc18 because they said it didn’t offer more forgiveness than the mp18. Since there’s an SC20 a more compact blade would’ve been nice. Fix the ugly pitching wedge and make the option to have a fully copper head without playing an option. I’d pay good money for that. A squarer tow would be nice too.

> >

> > Count me in

>

> Crap my spelling sucks lol

 

;)

[billydon]

 

> @gambit said:

> > @craz-e said:

> > > @jetmech879 said:

> > > > @craz-e said:

> > > > Nooooooooooooooo

> > > > Slightly longer blade length!

> > > >

> > > > I’m gonna need to see these in person

> > >

> > > This has been the trend with mizuno blades for years. 1 release will be a more compact look, next release will be a slightly more forgiving, larger blade. I always visually gravitate toward the more compact line of their blades but always play better with their "slightly larger" blades. I can't wait to some comparison videos on these.

> >

> > I thought the MP18 was on the larger size before

>

> Same. They discontinued the sc18 because they said it didn’t offer more forgiveness than the mp18. Since there’s an SC20 a more compact blade would’ve been nice. Fix the ugly pitching wedge and make the option to have a fully copper head without playing an option. I’d pay good money for that. A squarer tow would be nice too.

 

 

I’m with you on a more square grind in the toe. Ever seen the Yoro Craft MP5 on Tour Spec? They look impossibly difficult to play but the profile of them is beautiful.

[tpgrrr1]

> @mgfish23 said:

> First off , I am completely giddy that Mizuno decided to introduce the MP20 SEL. I had purchased the MP18 SC in LH and though it could have been the shaft, I noticed not as far a carry distance between the AP2 and iblades.

>

> I still kick myself for giving away my mp32 set to a buddy for $100 several years ago. Here’s to hoping the 20’s kick butt in the feel department.

> I’m regards to the copper coating tech, my all time favorite irons are Ping isi BEcu.

 

I think you're about to have another copper coating all time favorite!

[stk123]

> @MizunoMac72 said:

> > @kgeorge78 said:

> > so what wedges are made "stock" and not bent?

> > 52 56 60 everything else is bent??

> >

>

> I calculated that Mizuno must have SIX original wedge moulds for their 29 loft/bounce configurations, each mould being used to 'bend' the loft/bounce +/- 2° to obtain the desired specification. The original moulds, without any adjustments, would in fact be those in bold that I have listed below:

>

> **(This is with regards to the S18 model.)**

>

> 45-05 **46-06** 47-08 48-08

>

> 49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

>

> 54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

>

> 54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

>

> 56-06 57-07 __**58-08**__ 59-09 60-10

>

> 58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

>

>

> **The T7 specs are:**

>

> 49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

>

> 54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

>

> 54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

>

> 58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

>

> 58-08 59-09 **60-10** 61-11 62-12

>

> Although, they did also offer a 58-10 in thIs model.

 

Any idea how the T20 lineup stacks up? What original wedge loft molds does Mizuno use?

[MizunoMac72]

> @stk123 said:

> > @MizunoMac72 said:

> > > @kgeorge78 said:

> > > so what wedges are made "stock" and not bent?

> > > 52 56 60 everything else is bent??

> > >

> >

> > I calculated that Mizuno must have SIX original wedge moulds for their 29 loft/bounce configurations, each mould being used to 'bend' the loft/bounce +/- 2° to obtain the desired specification. The original moulds, without any adjustments, would in fact be those in bold that I have listed below:

> >

> > **(This is with regards to the S18 model.)**

> >

> > 45-05 **46-06** 47-08 48-08

> >

> > 49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

> >

> > 54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

> >

> > 54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

> >

> > 56-06 57-07 __**58-08**__ 59-09 60-10

> >

> > 58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

> >

> >

> > **The T7 specs are:**

> >

> > 49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

> >

> > 54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

> >

> > 54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

> >

> > 58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

> >

> > 58-08 59-09 **60-10** 61-11 62-12

> >

> > Although, they did also offer a 58-10 in thIs model.

>

> Any idea how the T20 lineup stacks up? What original wedge loft molds does Mizuno use?

 

 

Hi there, yes the new **T20** would be as follows:

 

_**Standard Bevel**_

45-05 **46-06** 47-07 48-08

 

49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

 

**_Subtle 'M' Grind_**

54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

 

56-06 57-07 **58-08** 59-09 60-10

 

**_Aggressive 'C' Grind_**

54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

 

58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

 

 

This is my own (& others) personal opinion, you can take the following online quote (with regards to the **T7** range) with a pinch of salt, especially with Mizuno's above pre-chosen grind & loft/bounce configurations. For example, you don't get to choose the grind & loft/bounce you may want.

 

 

 

[MizunoMac72]

Irons wise, I am currently thinking along the lines of:

4 to 6 in the MP20 HMB

7 to 9 in the MP20 MB

Obviously, it all depends on testing them first for distance, gaps, spin rate, shot dispersion, feel, etc......

[MizunoMac72]

I am personally looking to get the following four 'specialist' wedges in the RAW finish once they are ALL available in early 2020:

 

**_Standard Bevel_**

 

46-06 & 51-08

 

**_Aggressive 'C' Grind_**

 

56-10 & 60-06

[MizunoMac72]

> @stk123 said:

> > @MizunoMac72 said:

> > > @kgeorge78 said:

> > > so what wedges are made "stock" and not bent?

> > > 52 56 60 everything else is bent??

> > >

> >

> > I calculated that Mizuno must have SIX original wedge moulds for their 29 loft/bounce configurations, each mould being used to 'bend' the loft/bounce +/- 2° to obtain the desired specification. The original moulds, without any adjustments, would in fact be those in bold that I have listed below:

> >

> > **(This is with regards to the S18 model.)**

> >

> > 45-05 **46-06** 47-08 48-08

> >

> > 49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

> >

> > 54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

> >

> > 54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

> >

> > 56-06 57-07 __**58-08**__ 59-09 60-10

> >

> > 58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

> >

> >

> > **The T7 specs are:**

> >

> > 49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

> >

> > 54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

> >

> > 54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

> >

> > 58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

> >

> > 58-08 59-09 **60-10** 61-11 62-12

> >

> > Although, they did also offer a 58-10 in thIs model.

>

> Any idea how the T20 lineup stacks up? What original wedge loft molds does Mizuno use?

 

**Further to my post above #913**

 

The images below confirm my comment that these are indeed the six 'Original' loft/bounce options, prior to being bent by Mizuno 1° or even 2° to your desired loft/bounce (as long as it is one of the 29 that they offer) then re-badged by them.

 

**_46-06 Standard Bevel_**

 

 

 

**_51-08 Standard Bevel_**

 

 

 

**_56-10 Aggressive 'C' Grind_**

 

 

 

**_56-14 Subtle 'M' Grind_**

 

 

 

**_58-08 Subtle 'M' Grind_**

 

 

 

**_60-06 Aggressive 'C' Grind_**

 

[stk123]

> @MizunoMac72 said:

> > @stk123 said:

> > > @MizunoMac72 said:

> > > > @kgeorge78 said:

> > > > so what wedges are made "stock" and not bent?

> > > > 52 56 60 everything else is bent??

> > > >

> > >

> > > I calculated that Mizuno must have SIX original wedge moulds for their 29 loft/bounce configurations, each mould being used to 'bend' the loft/bounce +/- 2° to obtain the desired specification. The original moulds, without any adjustments, would in fact be those in bold that I have listed below:

> > >

> > > **(This is with regards to the S18 model.)**

> > >

> > > 45-05 **46-06** 47-08 48-08

> > >

> > > 49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

> > >

> > > 54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

> > >

> > > 54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

> > >

> > > 56-06 57-07 __**58-08**__ 59-09 60-10

> > >

> > > 58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

> > >

> > >

> > > **The T7 specs are:**

> > >

> > > 49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

> > >

> > > 54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

> > >

> > > 54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

> > >

> > > 58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

> > >

> > > 58-08 59-09 **60-10** 61-11 62-12

> > >

> > > Although, they did also offer a 58-10 in thIs model.

> >

> > Any idea how the T20 lineup stacks up? What original wedge loft molds does Mizuno use?

>

> **Further to my post above #913**

>

> The images below confirm my comment that these are indeed the six 'Original' loft/bounce options, prior to being bent by Mizuno 1° or even 2° to your desired loft/bounce (as long as it is one of the 29 that they offer) then re-badged by them.

>

>

> **_46-06 Standard Bevel_**

>

>

>

>

> **_51-08 Standard Bevel_**

>

>

>

>

> **_56-10 Aggressive 'C' Grind_**

>

>

>

>

> **_56-14 Subtle 'M' Grind_**

>

>

>

>

> **_58-08 Subtle 'M' Grind_**

>

>

>

>

> **_60-06 Aggressive 'C' Grind_**

>

 

Thanks a lot for the info. And this confirms my worries. Mizuno still sucks when it comes to wedges. Their PW is 46*, so naturally I want 50, 54, 58/59. But my 58 will have minimal offset, 50 will have some offset, and 54 will have game improvement offset.

 

This is completely unacceptable IMO, and for those reasons Mizuno wedges are out yet again for me. What a shame. Mizuno player my whole life, but had to ditch wedges when I got below 5 handicap. The inconsistent offset started bothering me a lot.

 

That said, I am still on the fence whether to order mp 20s. My mp 4s are just so good.

[QuigleyDU]

> @stk123 said:

> > @MizunoMac72 said:

> > > @stk123 said:

> > > > @MizunoMac72 said:

> > > > > @kgeorge78 said:

> > > > > so what wedges are made "stock" and not bent?

> > > > > 52 56 60 everything else is bent??

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I calculated that Mizuno must have SIX original wedge moulds for their 29 loft/bounce configurations, each mould being used to 'bend' the loft/bounce +/- 2° to obtain the desired specification. The original moulds, without any adjustments, would in fact be those in bold that I have listed below:

> > > >

> > > > **(This is with regards to the S18 model.)**

> > > >

> > > > 45-05 **46-06** 47-08 48-08

> > > >

> > > > 49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

> > > >

> > > > 54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

> > > >

> > > > 54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

> > > >

> > > > 56-06 57-07 __**58-08**__ 59-09 60-10

> > > >

> > > > 58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > **The T7 specs are:**

> > > >

> > > > 49-06 50-07 **51-08** 52-09 53-10

> > > >

> > > > 54-08 55-09 **56-10** 57-11 58-12

> > > >

> > > > 54-12 55-13 **56-14** 57-15 58-16

> > > >

> > > > 58-04 59-05 **60-06** 61-07 62-08

> > > >

> > > > 58-08 59-09 **60-10** 61-11 62-12

> > > >

> > > > Although, they did also offer a 58-10 in thIs model.

> > >

> > > Any idea how the T20 lineup stacks up? What original wedge loft molds does Mizuno use?

> >

> > **Further to my post above #913**

> >

> > The images below confirm my comment that these are indeed the six 'Original' loft/bounce options, prior to being bent by Mizuno 1° or even 2° to your desired loft/bounce (as long as it is one of the 29 that they offer) then re-badged by them.

> >

> >

> > **_46-06 Standard Bevel_**

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **_51-08 Standard Bevel_**

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **_56-10 Aggressive 'C' Grind_**

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **_56-14 Subtle 'M' Grind_**

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **_58-08 Subtle 'M' Grind_**

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **_60-06 Aggressive 'C' Grind_**

> >

>

> Thanks a lot for the info. And this confirms my worries. Mizuno still sucks when it comes to wedges. Their PW is 46*, so naturally I want 50, 54, 58/59. But my 58 will have minimal offset, 50 will have some offset, and 54 will have game improvement offset.

>

> This is completely unacceptable IMO, and for those reasons Mizuno wedges are out yet again for me. What a shame. Mizuno player my whole life, but had to ditch wedges when I got below 5 handicap. The inconsistent offset started bothering me a lot.

>

> That said, I am still on the fence whether to order mp 20s. My mp 4s are just so good.

 

While I understand the idea behind it, it does seem a bit strange for mizuno to take the easy route on this.