Do Black Wedges Spin Less?

[Red4282]

I heard a face with NO grooves spins more ?

[tgoodspe1991]

I heard you get the most spin from a wedge if you hit it off the hosel?

[Ivyguy]

> @"Howard Jones" said:

> > @Ivyguy said:

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> > > > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > > > @Ivyguy said:

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> > > > > > > The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

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> > > > > > Huh?! Where did you hear that the grooves on the black Vokey SM7's specifically are different than the other SM7's in Chrome or Grey?

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> > > > > Right here sir.

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> > > > > It has to do with the finish on the other finishes. The black one use the old groove tech and the other finishes have the newer grooves.

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> > > > Can you link to where Titleist says the grooves in the Jet Black SM7 are different?

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> > http://www.golfwrx.com/487024/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-titleists-new-vokey-sm7-wedges/

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> Dont mix it up with the grooves made 10 years ago, its NOT those "old grooves", we talk about but, 2 different, both within the new rules, and if we for the same of example say a Wedge on full swing should have 10.000 RPMs...how much is 100 rpms up or down? exactly 1% so expect roll out and stopping to have the same difference....1%. If your normal roll out is 1 yard, you must add 1% to roll out so you dont mess up your yardage map ;.-)

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> A Golf ball is 42 mm in diameter, so expect about 1/4 of a golf ball longer.....the difference off stopping at the edge of the cup or rolling in....that could be a Birdy or Par, so they should be sold under the motto "More Birdies than ever", i wonder why they dont when they made such a revolutionary invention with potential to lower the score?

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> PS! Rust do NOT add spin, they vary more from stroke to stroke than others since the face is "during change" all the time. The first stroke that day might have good spin, but during the day, face roughness changes to less roughness, so all rust does is eating up the face of the wedge, and make stains on your bag.

> IMO, rusty wedges look like crap, im an old Gun Smith, and rust is something we try to prevent at almost any cost. ive played RAW wedges with black oxide since Callaway X-Tours (13-15 years?), but keep then rust free with silicone oil and new Black oxide when needed.

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> Black oxide IS RUST, but made under controlled condition, and the purpose is to make a surface the oil (rust protection), can stick to, its NOT to make them rust even if the Golf industry simply say "they will rust over time" (unless you prevent it, and you should).

 

Yeah, it's not "old" tech, but it seems as though it's the same from the prior gen.

 

Again, I play the black vokeys and have 0 concern about spin capabilities

[Howard_Jones]

> @Ivyguy said:

> > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > > > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > > > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > > > > > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > > > > > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > > > > > > The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Huh?! Where did you hear that the grooves on the black Vokey SM7's specifically are different than the other SM7's in Chrome or Grey?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Right here sir.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It has to do with the finish on the other finishes. The black one use the old groove tech and the other finishes have the newer grooves.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you link to where Titleist says the grooves in the Jet Black SM7 are different?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > http://www.golfwrx.com/487024/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-titleists-new-vokey-sm7-wedges/

> >

> > Dont mix it up with the grooves made 10 years ago, its NOT those "old grooves", we talk about but, 2 different, both within the new rules, and if we for the same of example say a Wedge on full swing should have 10.000 RPMs...how much is 100 rpms up or down? exactly 1% so expect roll out and stopping to have the same difference....1%. If your normal roll out is 1 yard, you must add 1% to roll out so you dont mess up your yardage map ;.-)

> >

> > A Golf ball is 42 mm in diameter, so expect about 1/4 of a golf ball longer.....the difference off stopping at the edge of the cup or rolling in....that could be a Birdy or Par, so they should be sold under the motto "More Birdies than ever", i wonder why they dont when they made such a revolutionary invention with potential to lower the score?

> >

> > PS! Rust do NOT add spin, they vary more from stroke to stroke than others since the face is "during change" all the time. The first stroke that day might have good spin, but during the day, face roughness changes to less roughness, so all rust does is eating up the face of the wedge, and make stains on your bag.

> > IMO, rusty wedges look like crap, im an old Gun Smith, and rust is something we try to prevent at almost any cost. ive played RAW wedges with black oxide since Callaway X-Tours (13-15 years?), but keep then rust free with silicone oil and new Black oxide when needed.

> >

> > Black oxide IS RUST, but made under controlled condition, and the purpose is to make a surface the oil (rust protection), can stick to, its NOT to make them rust even if the Golf industry simply say "they will rust over time" (unless you prevent it, and you should).

>

> Yeah, it's not "old" tech, but it seems as though it's the same from the prior gen.

>

> Again, I play the black vokeys and have 0 concern about spin capabilities

 

in this case it seems simple, grooves is made before plating, and those are close to the legal limit, and as soon they are chrome plated, the grooves become "a little less aggressive", but hardly enough to measure since we talk 1% in difference to spin. The surface we hit it from and our access to the ball will make way lager differences during play, so i dont understand why they bother to mention that there is a difference since it means nothing outside the paper.

If you buy a driver "off the rack", you risk that lofts is 2 off from specs, and thats average 500 rpms, and does make a difference on a driver (but they dont tell you that facts), while 100 rpms on a wedge means nothing, it would not make any difference on a driver either.

[14mh]

> @tgoodspe1991 said:

> I heard you get the most spin from a wedge if you hit it off the hosel?

 

I can confirm that isn't true unless you mean side spin!

[ThinkingPlus]

If you want to maximize spin you need to get the special "media" plating. ;-)

[YoungJedi]

> @YoungJedi said:

> I can’t believe this thread is real

 

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