It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[sethdavidsdad]

[quote name='Bogey_Fly_By' timestamp='1445994859' post='12516186'][quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1445989633' post='12515686']I switched from c-taper s+ to the Nippon 120x. I have noticed a little higher flight but zero loss of distance. You will love the feel. The soft feel of the Nippons is wonderful especially coming from the c-tapers[/quote]

Do you find the 120's spin a ton more than the c tapers? For me the 120's ballooned as bad as anything but the c tapers/super peening Blues had a nice mid high penetrating flight.[/quote]
No but I put them in MP5 blades and have the 120x. Really haven't noticed extra spin. I had my c-tapers in a set of TM tour preferred mc-mb

[Bogey_Fly_By]

Well I'm definitely looking forward to the 125's then because I have never felt a steel shaft kick like the spb's. Gonna be a fun experiment since I have been hitting steel fiber 125's lately.

[SAM_PGA]

[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1445904796' post='12510528']
Scott stallings just showed off his Nippons on playing lessons.
[/quote]
Stallings Modus specs...

Modus ST Proto X flex - Hard stepped once

I've hit his setup and they were money. Ordered my 716 AP2's with Modus 105 X, hard stepped once. I'm coming from Modus 120X for the last 4 years and the new 105 fit the launch and spin window parameters much better.

[3_Putt_Par]

Hey Sam, what's Staling's iron shaft length? I talked with a NS rep the other day while demoing the 105 shaft and he said that the pros are playing them 1/2" over to keep a bit of weight, increase head speed and to keep the lengths consistent with the modern shaft driver lengths. Is that true?

[knickerbocker]

[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1445989633' post='12515686']
I switched from c-taper s+ to the Nippon 120x. I have noticed a little higher flight but zero loss of distance. You will love the feel. The soft feel of the Nippons is wonderful especially coming from the c-tapers
[/quote]

They do spin more than C-Taper, but not terribly more for me. I went from C-Taper S to 120X and had 500 RPM more (7 iron) and 0.5 degree higher launch. When I demoed the 120S, the numbers were higher spin and higher launch which is why I went with the 120X and I had the SS.

Nothing is like a C-Taper. They are the best performing shaft I have ever played. Perfect flight and consistent yardages. But they took too much of a toil on my body with shoulder and hand pain.

[sethdavidsdad]

[quote name='knickerbocker' timestamp='1446035599' post='12517568'][quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1445989633' post='12515686']
I switched from c-taper s+ to the Nippon 120x. I have noticed a little higher flight but zero loss of distance. You will love the feel. The soft feel of the Nippons is wonderful especially coming from the c-tapers
[/quote]

They do spin more than C-Taper, but Terrible for me. I went from C-Taper S to 120X and had 500 RPM more (7 iron) and 0.5 degree higher launch. When I demoed the 120S, the numbers were higher spin and higher launch which is why I went with the 120X and I had the SS.

Nothing is like a C-Taper. They are the best performing shaft I have ever played. Perfect flight and consistent yardages. But they took too much of a toil on my body with shoulder and hand pain.[/quote]
Same with me I have had a lot of left arm pain. Tendonitis for almost a year. Quit hitting the c-tapers and it has gotten better. I ordered my mizunos with the c-taper lites and it got worse and that's when I switched to the Nippons. I won't be going back to the c-taper.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1446041626' post='12517942']
[quote name='knickerbocker' timestamp='1446035599' post='12517568'][quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1445989633' post='12515686']
I switched from c-taper s+ to the Nippon 120x. I have noticed a little higher flight but zero loss of distance. You will love the feel. The soft feel of the Nippons is wonderful especially coming from the c-tapers
[/quote]

They do spin more than C-Taper, but Terrible for me. I went from C-Taper S to 120X and had 500 RPM more (7 iron) and 0.5 degree higher launch. When I demoed the 120S, the numbers were higher spin and higher launch which is why I went with the 120X and I had the SS.

Nothing is like a C-Taper. They are the best performing shaft I have ever played. Perfect flight and consistent yardages. But they took too much of a toil on my body with shoulder and hand pain.[/quote]
Same with me I have had a lot of left arm pain. Tendonitis for almost a year. Quit hitting the c-tapers and it has gotten better. I ordered my mizunos with the c-taper lites and it got worse and that's when I switched to the Nippons. I won't be going back to the c-taper.
[/quote]
I can't stand CTaper but CTaper lite I am not mad at. For a hybrid I'd only hit a few times a round I could possibly use a CTaper lite. I have a buddy thats gonna try a 105X in a hybrid, excited to hit his and see how that works compared to the TM UDI I hit with the Ctaper lite.

[pittmck]

Mark,

I was directed by fellow WRXer GC70 (Thanks!!) to ask my question in this tread.

I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on what flex to get on the new Modus3 Tour 105 shafts.

I currently play TT DG x100 SSx2 and Modus3 Tour 125 (stiff).

Both have been great this year. However, I am looking for something lighter now.

I have also played the Modus3 Proto "ST" in X-flex (my favorite shaft to date) and would rate them a better fit for me than the X100 SSx2 and Modus3 Tour 125 (stiff).

The flight was higher with the "ST" with much better feel and lower spin than the X100 and Modus3 125. (Maybe a little less carry with the "ST" but the feel was perfect for me).

The real question is...I wish I would of never sold the Proto "ST"...but I did.

Would it make sense to soft step the 105-X flex or go with the stiff..

My swing speed with 6 iron is 90 MPH (carry 175 yards).
Driver is 102-105 MPH and I am 6'-2" (205 LBS) steep attack and always produce a divot.

Any thoughts or opinions would be nice.

BTW - I demoed the new Ping irons with the Modus3 Tour 105 in stiff and my number were very close to my Modus3 Tour 125 stiff.
The lighter weight is a plus to me at 45 years old but would love to hear your thoughts on the x-stiff vs the stiff shaft option.

The Proto-ST I gamed last year were X-stiff and felt very close to the Modus3 Tour 105 stiff flex I demoed earlier this month.

Thanks

[markheardjr]

[quote name='pittmck' timestamp='1446061617' post='12519662']
Mark,

I was directed by fellow WRXer GC70 (Thanks!!) to ask my question in this tread.

I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on what flex to get on the new Modus3 Tour 105 shafts.

I currently play TT DG x100 SSx2 and Modus3 Tour 125 (stiff).

Both have been great this year. However, I am looking for something lighter now.

I have also played the Modus3 Proto "ST" in X-flex (my favorite shaft to date) and would rate them a better fit for me than the X100 SSx2 and Modus3 Tour 125 (stiff).

The flight was higher with the "ST" with much better feel and lower spin than the X100 and Modus3 125. (Maybe a little less carry with the "ST" but the feel was perfect for me).

The real question is...I wish I would of never sold the Proto "ST"...but I did.

Would it make sense to soft step the 105-X flex or go with the stiff..

My swing speed with 6 iron is 90 MPH (carry 175 yards).
Driver is 102-105 MPH and I am 6'-2" (205 LBS) steep attack and always produce a divot.

Any thoughts or opinions would be nice.

BTW - I demoed the new Ping irons with the Modus3 Tour 105 in stiff and my number were very close to my Modus3 Tour 125 stiff.
The lighter weight is a plus to me at 45 years old but would love to hear your thoughts on the x-stiff vs the stiff shaft option.

The Proto-ST I gamed last year were X-stiff and felt very close to the Modus3 Tour 105 stiff flex I demoed earlier this month.

Thanks
[/quote]
S vs X may be a question about weight. If you like the lighter weight I'd suggest S or S hsx1. 105 plays true to flex IMO. The smooth feeling makes the X feel soft even though it is not...several PGA players use 105X. 105X straight in or soft stepped may spin less if spin is an issue for you, depends as not everyone is the same.

[SAM_PGA]

[quote name='3_Putt_Par' timestamp='1446032618' post='12517380']
Hey Sam, what's Staling's iron shaft length? I talked with a NS rep the other day while demoing the 105 shaft and he said that the pros are playing them 1/2" over to keep a bit of weight, increase head speed and to keep the lengths consistent with the modern shaft driver lengths. Is that true?
[/quote]
SS's club lengths were standard on this set of irons.

[pittmck]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1446069713' post='12520398']
[quote name='pittmck' timestamp='1446061617' post='12519662']
Mark,

I was directed by fellow WRXer GC70 (Thanks!!) to ask my question in this tread.

I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on what flex to get on the new Modus3 Tour 105 shafts.

I currently play TT DG x100 SSx2 and Modus3 Tour 125 (stiff).

Both have been great this year. However, I am looking for something lighter now.

I have also played the Modus3 Proto "ST" in X-flex (my favorite shaft to date) and would rate them a better fit for me than the X100 SSx2 and Modus3 Tour 125 (stiff).

The flight was higher with the "ST" with much better feel and lower spin than the X100 and Modus3 125. (Maybe a little less carry with the "ST" but the feel was perfect for me).

The real question is...I wish I would of never sold the Proto "ST"...but I did.

Would it make sense to soft step the 105-X flex or go with the stiff..

My swing speed with 6 iron is 90 MPH (carry 175 yards).
Driver is 102-105 MPH and I am 6'-2" (205 LBS) steep attack and always produce a divot.

Any thoughts or opinions would be nice.

BTW - I demoed the new Ping irons with the Modus3 Tour 105 in stiff and my number were very close to my Modus3 Tour 125 stiff.
The lighter weight is a plus to me at 45 years old but would love to hear your thoughts on the x-stiff vs the stiff shaft option.

The Proto-ST I gamed last year were X-stiff and felt very close to the Modus3 Tour 105 stiff flex I demoed earlier this month.

Thanks
[/quote]
S vs X may be a question about weight. If you like the lighter weight I'd suggest S or S hsx1. 105 plays true to flex IMO. The smooth feeling makes the X feel soft even though it is not...several PGA players use 105X. 105X straight in or soft stepped may spin less if spin is an issue for you, depends as not everyone is the same.
[/quote]

Mark,

Thank you for the great information regarding my questions!!!

It looks like the Modus3 105 stiff from my testing will fit my swing.

On another note - Titleist says they could SSx2 the Modus3 105 for me like the X100's.

Would that be an option or would that just screw things up???
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If the Modus3 105 stiff reacts like the Modus3 125 stiff its a really soild shaft.

I swing pretty hard and the (Modus3 125 stiff) always feels like it can handle more.

Once again, thank for your help and time on these questions.

[knickerbocker]

I have been thinking about giving the Modus 105 a try. What is its flight profile compared to 120? If I am coming from 120X, should I stick with 105X?

[swizbeatz]

[quote name='knickerbocker' timestamp='1446080711' post='12521308']
I have been thinking about giving the Modus 105 a try. What is its flight profile compared to 120? If I am coming from 120X, should I stick with 105X?
[/quote]

I keep thinking the same. I'd go 105S, the 120 plays soft to flex and that's why many play X

[Milez28]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1445995034' post='12516204']
For me c tapers are unlike anything I've tried. SPB played more like a s400 IMO. 125's although similar to SPB feel more fluent and "alive" throughout the swing. C tapers feel dare I say "dead" (boardy).
[/quote]

Do the 105's and 125's have the same characteristics with only weight difference? Will they fly lower than the 120's?

I'd like to get the lighter weight 105's but not if it launches higher...

[knickerbocker]

[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1446127908' post='12523118']
[quote name='knickerbocker' timestamp='1446080711' post='12521308']
I have been thinking about giving the Modus 105 a try. What is its flight profile compared to 120? If I am coming from 120X, should I stick with 105X?
[/quote]

I keep thinking the same. I'd go 105S, the 120 plays soft to flex and that's why many play X
[/quote]

That is what I was thinking. And then I think, I might as well order a set of 105s with a new set of Ping I irons!

[NRJyzr]

I admit I'm somewhat amazed so many are looking to use 105s. To my thinking, 120g shafts are even on the light side, LOL.

Then again, I'm not exactly a small dude.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Milez28' timestamp='1446133443' post='12523614']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1445995034' post='12516204']
For me c tapers are unlike anything I've tried. SPB played more like a s400 IMO. 125's although similar to SPB feel more fluent and "alive" throughout the swing. C tapers feel dare I say "dead" (boardy).
[/quote]

Do the 105's and 125's have the same characteristics with only weight difference? Will they fly lower than the 120's?

I'd like to get the lighter weight 105's but not if it launches higher...
[/quote]
105 will for sure launch higher...but spin may be the difference. 105 might spin quite a bit less having a firmer butt section. Tip is the same. Tour105 is essentially same profile as 125 but lighter.

My buddy Jeremiah is trying 105X in hybrid/long iron, 125X in mid/short irons and C10 proto in wedges (Also a similar profile) so he's kind of doing his own AMT Nippon type build. All same profiles, just different weights. Excited to try his 105X in hybrid. I have a 105X in a 6i. I don't hit it WAY higher than my 125X. But it is a touch higher. Spin seems to be roughly similar. 105 just doesn't hang in the air as long as the 125 does. I lost about 1/2 to full club hitting the 105X. I need that weight resistance to load my shaft and the 105 just isn't heavy enough for me to do that. I hit it kind of thin too and the 105 just doesn't seem to have the heft I like to get the ball moving, a bit of a clickier feel. I think swingweighting is key with the 105, make sure you get the weight set up you prefer.

[dunn]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1427829650' post='11254729']
[quote name='Birdie Wooster' timestamp='1427828279' post='11254539']
MJ, I did not take offense. I was basing that on the idea that hard or soft stepping three times is approximately equal to one flex. Since the shaft weight goes up as the flex goes up, I was trying to cheat by putting the lighter shafts in the the longer irons and hard or soft stepping to make the flex approximately match up.
[/quote]
But you're moving the bendpoint of the shaft. Longer shafts have lower bend points. Shorter higher. So if you take a 6i shaft and hardstep it 3 times into a 3i, you're adjusting to a bend point that is higher than a normal 3i shaft. depending on butt stiffness of the shaft, that could do different things. In a butt soft shaft like the 120, I'd expect to see a very high bend point that causes your 3i to launch significantly lower and spin probably higher. Will the 120S triple hardstepped be similar flex to 120X 3i straight in? Yes. But the bend point will be several inches higher. In an extremely butt/mid section stiff shaft like the 130, I would expect it to be closer to normal because the butt isn't loading/flexing as much.
[/quote]and making it way more complicated than it has to be....it's not that critical and doubt would see any advantage or benefit in one's iron game

[Trugravity]

I game 710 AP2's with stiff Super Peening Blues...obviously going to the Modus 120 should bring the weight down, what is the relative ball flight between the two? FYI - I've played the SPB shafts for a few years but have lost some swing speed due to age/injury, so I want something a bit lighter and softer.

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='Trugravity' timestamp='1446300305' post='12532546']
I game 710 AP2's with stiff Super Peening Blues...obviously going to the Modus 120 should bring the weight down, what is the relative ball flight between the two? FYI - I've played the SPB shafts for a few years but have lost some swing speed due to age/injury, so I want something a bit lighter and softer.
[/quote]I'd suggest trying the 105's before committing to the 120's.

[Trugravity]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1446301947' post='12532634']
[quote name='Trugravity' timestamp='1446300305' post='12532546']
I game 710 AP2's with stiff Super Peening Blues...obviously going to the Modus 120 should bring the weight down, what is the relative ball flight between the two? FYI - I've played the SPB shafts for a few years but have lost some swing speed due to age/injury, so I want something a bit lighter and softer.
[/quote]I'd suggest trying the 105's before committing to the 120's.
[/quote]

Appreciate the feedback.

[Bogey_Fly_By]

[quote name='Trugravity' timestamp='1446300305' post='12532546']I game 710 AP2's with stiff Super Peening Blues...obviously going to the Modus 120 should bring the weight down, what is the relative ball flight between the two? FYI - I've played the SPB shafts for a few years but have lost some swing speed due to age/injury, so I want something a bit lighter and softer.[/quote]

For me the 120's balloon quite a bit compared to the spb's. I did not care for them at all but I have a problem with too much spin

[Makuakane_Bear]

Just tried a set with Modus 120 TourS and I am thinking about making the switch... They do feel incredibly nice.

[Bogey_Fly_By]

I played Saturday with modus 125x's and I can say they are a very similar flight to the Nippon super peening blue's/c tapers. Much lower spin than the 120's, lower peak and bored through the wind. They definitely have a different feel/weight than the spb's but so far so good. I am definitely looking forward to hitting them again to get some more time in with them.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Bogey_Fly_By' timestamp='1446469797' post='12539796']
I played Saturday with modus 125x's and I can say they are a very similar flight to the Nippon super peening blue's/c tapers. Much lower spin than the 120's, lower peak and bored through the wind. They definitely have a different feel/weight than the spb's but so far so good. I am definitely looking forward to hitting them again to get some more time in with them.
[/quote]
My same experience. I find the 125X to fly lower and spin less than X100 also but the results are the same for everyone. And the launch/spin differences are negligible. The feel is the biggest difference for me. Firm, smooth, and well balanced. Not stiff and harsh and dead.

[Judge440]

Question to the Modus gang...

I currently use CFS X in my S55's. They weigh 114 grams. They work fine but I want to try something new to see if I can gain anything.

In the past I have played and liked PX 6.0, PXi 6.5, S300. I used PX 6.0 prior to this setup and it was great...just looking for something a bit easier feel wise. CFS X has been pretty good.

I'm thinking Modus 120X?

Thanks.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Judge440' timestamp='1446571038' post='12546152']
Question to the Modus gang...

I currently use CFS X in my S55's. They weigh 114 grams. They work fine but I want to try something new to see if I can gain anything.

In the past I have played and liked PX 6.0, PXi 6.5, S300. I used PX 6.0 prior to this setup and it was great...just looking for something a bit easier feel wise. CFS X has been pretty good.

I'm thinking Modus 120X?

Thanks.
[/quote]
120X straight in or 105X soft-stepped possibly if you're looking for "easier feel". 120X should feel softer and smoother because of the softer butt section. Just depends if it works for you. Generally PX guys don't like it as much but you never know unless you try.

[swizbeatz]

What would you recommend for a .370 driving iron, 120x in irons.

[longleft]

[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1446635429' post='12550662']
What would you recommend for a .370 driving iron, 120x in irons.
[/quote]

I have been using the C Taper lite .370 in my driving iron (120x in irons).

Interested to hear other recommendations too.

[kiddoc]

Good am boys!

Just switching from Modus 120S in AP2s to Modus 120S in a full set of T-MBs....felt great after getting lie adjusted....fab on range...
I got home and noticed the new sticks have Modus 120TX shafts and not the 120S.

Other than weight and lower torque any difference you guys have noticed? Full range session this am..