It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[jonn443]

[quote name='Judge440' timestamp='1446571038' post='12546152']
Question to the Modus gang...

I currently use CFS X in my S55's. They weigh 114 grams. They work fine but I want to try something new to see if I can gain anything.

In the past I have played and liked PX 6.0, PXi 6.5, S300. I used PX 6.0 prior to this setup and it was great...just looking for something a bit easier feel wise. CFS X has been pretty good.

I'm thinking Modus 120X?

Thanks.
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If you like the weight of the S300,I would go 125S HS (more kick /little more flex). Or go 125X straight in.

If you want a lighter feel, 120X...even lighter feel 105X as Mark has already recommended.

[jonn443]

[quote name='kiddoc' timestamp='1446640555' post='12550838']
Good am boys!

Just switching from Modus 120S in AP2s to Modus 120S in a full set of T-MBs....felt great after getting lie adjusted....fab on range...
I got home and noticed the new sticks have Modus 120TX shafts and not the 120S.

Other than weight and lower torque any difference you guys have noticed? Full range session this am..
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I haven't played the 120 in X flex but I would take a strong minded guess it's going to feel firmer and will likely give you a lower ball flight compared to the 120S. But if your swing can handle it and you don't lose too much yardage (carry), you're dispersion will probably tighten up.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='jonn443' timestamp='1446642198' post='12550910']
[quote name='kiddoc' timestamp='1446640555' post='12550838']
Good am boys!

Just switching from Modus 120S in AP2s to Modus 120S in a full set of T-MBs....felt great after getting lie adjusted....fab on range...
I got home and noticed the new sticks have Modus 120TX shafts and not the 120S.

Other than weight and lower torque any difference you guys have noticed? Full range session this am..
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I haven't played the 120 in X flex but I would take a strong minded guess it's going to feel firmer and will likely give you a lower ball flight compared to the 120S. But if your swing can handle it and you don't lose too much yardage (carry), you're dispersion will probably tighten up.
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Pretty interesting you didn't notice. A testament to how smooth these shafts are. I played this weekend with someone who had 120S in some z745's and I just happened to have an old TM MC with 120X in it. After he hit my demo club he commented he'd probably rather have the 120X but didn't want to pay to switch after throwing down the cash for the custom set he just bought. But I think err'ing on the stiffer side with 120 is the way to go. Still, to have been gaming 120S, go to the range and not even notice they are 120TX is interesting. Should check your distances. Hopefully you don't lose much but get that tight dispersion noted above.

[kiddoc]

Great session this am...they feel heavier (but thought is was all T-MB head related)....Killed them!
Time to get on a monitor and I will report back.

[markheardjr]

Woohoo 200,000 views!!! I should do a giveaway or something!

[PapaJohick]

haha Id be into that

I am still loving my ST protos which are the proto for the 105's. Big thing I am noticing is my control is a lot better and with the lighter weight, I don't feel like i have to go after the ball as I did with the DG pros/DG s300. Great stuff all around. PLus really glad I got them when I did as the prices on the 105s for 8 shafts is much higher than I paid haha....

[Rodabodem]

Sorry to revive an older thread, and I may have already asked this.

I currently play project x 7.0s straight in. Which Nippon shaft is the most comparable to those?

[jonn443]

[quote name='Rodabodem' timestamp='1446959890' post='12568578']
Sorry to revive an older thread, and I may have already asked this.

I currently play project x 7.0s straight in. Which Nippon shaft is the most comparable to those?
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?, revive an old thread? You did see the last post before yours was two days ago, right?

That said, hard to compare a modus 3 to a PX. Completely different shafts and the nippon will feel infinitely smoother while keeping a tight dispersion. If I was to take guess, I'd say 125X, or 130S HS.

What say you Mark?

[Rodabodem]

[quote name='jonn443' timestamp='1446960657' post='12568606']
[quote name='Rodabodem' timestamp='1446959890' post='12568578']
Sorry to revive an older thread, and I may have already asked this.

I currently play project x 7.0s straight in. Which Nippon shaft is the most comparable to those?
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?, revive an old thread? You did see the last post before yours was two days ago, right?

That said, hard to compare a modus 3 to a PX. Completely different shafts and the nippon will feel infinitely smoother while keeping a tight dispersion. If I was to take guess, I'd say 125X, or 130S HS.

What say you Mark?
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I'm interested in the modus 130x but I'm concerned it might launch too high.

[ob1soccer]

which modus would be most similiar to steelfiber 110s?

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='Rodabodem' timestamp='1446960793' post='12568618']
[quote name='jonn443' timestamp='1446960657' post='12568606']
[quote name='Rodabodem' timestamp='1446959890' post='12568578']
Sorry to revive an older thread, and I may have already asked this.

I currently play project x 7.0s straight in. Which Nippon shaft is the most comparable to those?
[/quote]

?, revive an old thread? You did see the last post before yours was two days ago, right?

That said, hard to compare a modus 3 to a PX. Completely different shafts and the nippon will feel infinitely smoother while keeping a tight dispersion. If I was to take guess, I'd say 125X, or 130S HS.

What say you Mark?
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I'm interested in the modus 130x but I'm concerned it might launch too high.
[/quote]Only one way to know for sure.

[Rodabodem]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1447082784' post='12573960']
[quote name='Rodabodem' timestamp='1446960793' post='12568618']
[quote name='jonn443' timestamp='1446960657' post='12568606']
[quote name='Rodabodem' timestamp='1446959890' post='12568578']
Sorry to revive an older thread, and I may have already asked this.

I currently play project x 7.0s straight in. Which Nippon shaft is the most comparable to those?
[/quote]

?, revive an old thread? You did see the last post before yours was two days ago, right?

That said, hard to compare a modus 3 to a PX. Completely different shafts and the nippon will feel infinitely smoother while keeping a tight dispersion. If I was to take guess, I'd say 125X, or 130S HS.

What say you Mark?
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I'm interested in the modus 130x but I'm concerned it might launch too high.
[/quote]Only one way to know for sure.
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Yeah, best bet is to try them of course. Unfortunately the shop I work at doesn't carry the 130x. We have the 120s I think.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Rodabodem' timestamp='1446959890' post='12568578']
Sorry to revive an older thread, and I may have already asked this.

I currently play project x 7.0s straight in. Which Nippon shaft is the most comparable to those?
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130X is by far the closest match. You could tweak it to soft-step if you want something with just a bit more feel or 130S hard-stepped if you aught to be using 6.8 instead of 7.0.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='ob1soccer' timestamp='1447079708' post='12573764']
which modus would be most similiar to steelfiber 110s?
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Tour105S is the closest weight, feel, performance I think. If your looking for a little heavier maybe Tour120 would feel smooth like the Steelfibers, I'd maybe try 120X soft-stepped once for solid firm feel or 120S hard-stepped for a really soft feel.

[pitchinwedge]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416444766' post='10475215']
I think the 120 & 125 are like the Orange. The ORA was basically an Orange 2.0 and C10 protos were similar step patterns. Stiff butt, stiff tip, softer mid. Might just be weight differences. Not too sure. I have only hit the SPO a few times, didnt' care for them too much. The SPB was closer to what I liked, but they were a bit harsh in the tip. [b]The 130 is exactly what I wanted, for a guy who picks it clean and hits a little thin, the 130's are awesome[/b].
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I tend to pick the ball clean as well. Can you help me a bit by explaining why the 130 might be better for me than the 120?

Since I'm interested in Titleist irons the only factory Nippon options are the 120, 130 and 1150. Numbers wise, I was getting what I thought to be acceptable launch conditions with the 120, but didn't get to try the 130 for comparison. Thanks and I'm really interested to hear your thoughts.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='pitchinwedge' timestamp='1447195848' post='12581266']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416444766' post='10475215']
I think the 120 & 125 are like the Orange. The ORA was basically an Orange 2.0 and C10 protos were similar step patterns. Stiff butt, stiff tip, softer mid. Might just be weight differences. Not too sure. I have only hit the SPO a few times, didnt' care for them too much. The SPB was closer to what I liked, but they were a bit harsh in the tip. [b]The 130 is exactly what I wanted, for a guy who picks it clean and hits a little thin, the 130's are awesome[/b].
[/quote]

I tend to pick the ball clean as well. Can you help me a bit by explaining why the 130 might be better for me than the 120?

Since I'm interested in Titleist irons the only factory Nippon options are the 120, 130 and 1150. Numbers wise, I was getting what I thought to be acceptable launch conditions with the 120, but didn't get to try the 130 for comparison. Thanks and I'm really interested to hear your thoughts.
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130's have a soft tip section which softens the blow of a thin shot. It also helps elevate the thin struck shot. So the shaft is really working for you. 120 is very tip stiff and mid stiff as well so you're going to feel that thin shot sting a bit more. Also it is designed to launch lower so your thin shot is probably going to start even lower and you could get into trouble if you need to elevate quickly over a hill or tall grass or something. The 120 tend to spin more though so the shot will rise up, but not right away. The 130 launches it up quick but the spin is low because the overall stiffness of the shaft is very stiff. They are unique contrasting profiles.
I switched out of the 130's for the 125X only because I feel the 125X launches on a flatter trajectory which I wanted. The 130 Stiff (I still have my set) feel very smooth and launch the ball effortlessly, I just like to be able to flight it low when the shot calls for it.

[pitchinwedge]

Thanks for the explanation. I've only hit on indoor LM's so I haven't been able to see the flight. But, if I recall correctly, the 120 already gave me peak height of 30 yards and decent angle of 48-49*. Would you suggest I try the 130 in stiff as well?

BTW, feel of the 120 was quite good to me. I immediately started hitting the ball more better vs, the stock S300 or AMT shafts. Also, the 1150 was a recommended shaft for me by the Mizuno shaft optimizer.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='pitchinwedge' timestamp='1447268130' post='12584928']
Thanks for the explanation. I've only hit on indoor LM's so I haven't been able to see the flight. But, if I recall correctly, the 120 already gave me peak height of 30 yards and decent angle of 48-49*. Would you suggest I try the 130 in stiff as well?

BTW, feel of the 120 was quite good to me. I immediately started hitting the ball more better vs, the stock S300 or AMT shafts. Also, the 1150 was a recommended shaft for me by the Mizuno shaft optimizer.
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Mizuno doesn't stock the Modus and their optimizer only fits you into shafts they stock. 120 vs 130 is really a personal preference. If you're already launching a bit high and decending a bit steep the 130 may not be the answer. 125 might be the better option. Otherwise its a swing change to launch it lower and flatter.

[DRRicks]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1447261054' post='12584380'][quote name='pitchinwedge' timestamp='1447195848' post='12581266']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416444766' post='10475215']
I think the 120 & 125 are like the Orange. The ORA was basically an Orange 2.0 and C10 protos were similar step patterns. Stiff butt, stiff tip, softer mid. Might just be weight differences. Not too sure. I have only hit the SPO a few times, didnt' care for them too much. The SPB was closer to what I liked, but they were a bit harsh in the tip. [b]The 130 is exactly what I wanted, for a guy who picks it clean and hits a little thin, the 130's are awesome[/b].
[/quote]

I tend to pick the ball clean as well. Can you help me a bit by explaining why the 130 might be better for me than the 120?

Since I'm interested in Titleist irons the only factory Nippon options are the 120, 130 and 1150. Numbers wise, I was getting what I thought to be acceptable launch conditions with the 120, but didn't get to try the 130 for comparison. Thanks and I'm really interested to hear your thoughts.
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130's have a soft tip section which softens the blow of a thin shot. It also helps elevate the thin struck shot. So the shaft is really working for you. 120 is very tip stiff and mid stiff as well so you're going to feel that thin shot sting a bit more. Also it is designed to launch lower so your thin shot is probably going to start even lower and you could get into trouble if you need to elevate quickly over a hill or tall grass or something. The 120 tend to spin more though so the shot will rise up, but not right away. The 130 launches it up quick but the spin is low because the overall stiffness of the shaft is very stiff. They are unique contrasting profiles.
I switched out of the 130's for the 125X only because I feel the 125X launches on a flatter trajectory which I wanted. The 130 Stiff (I still have my set) feel very smooth and launch the ball effortlessly, I just like to be able to flight it low when the shot calls for it.[/quote]

Here is how different shafts can be though...I'm typically a low-mid ball flight, the Modus 120 (for me) gets to a significantly higher peak. My point in saying this, is that the only way to tell is to test them yourself. I love the 120 by the way...coming from KBS Tour.

[ob1soccer]

which shaft is similiar to KBS Tour stiff

[pitchinwedge]

[quote name='DRRicks' timestamp='1447274907' post='12585436']
Here is how different shafts can be though...I'm typically a low-mid ball flight, the Modus 120 (for me) gets to a significantly higher peak. My point in saying this, is that the only way to tell is to test them yourself. I love the 120 by the way...coming from KBS Tour.
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So far, I've tried the 950, 1150, and the 120. I don't think they have much in common with one another except that I managed to hit the snot out of the golf ball with all of them. I'm guessing it's something Nippon designed into the shafts, as I found all of them to offer a wonderful sense of loading and unloading.

Which reminds me... the same day I hit the 120, I also hit the KBS Tour-V shaft. It produced nearly identical numbers to the 120 but didn't feel nearly as good. Very light in the hands and little sense of loading/unloading. The worst thing was I kept hitting misses thin or toward the toe. Switched back to the 120 and bam, bam, bam. Bangin em on the screws again.

[ob1soccer]

is the main difference between the 130 and the 105 the weight?

[NRJyzr]

The 105 is apparently similar enough to the 125 to be considered a lighter weight version of it.

The 130 is a different animal. It's a stiffer butt with a softer tip, designed to increase trajectory, but with lower spin, in theory.

[Fade to Black]

So, after reading through pages and pages:

Modus 120 = Dynamic Gold
Modus 130 = Project X
Modus 125 = ? A hybrid of both?

Seems the 125 is the perfect mix of both from what I read. Anyone find that the 120 or 130 actually worked better for them?

Always leary of a mythical shaft that is all things to all people.

Reason I ask: I've played PX6.5 and X100 shafts. Love the feel of the X100 but prefer the flatter flight of the PX 6.5. Wondering if the Modus 125 would be that unicorn that combines both into one?

[slickca21]

[quote name='Fade to Black' timestamp='1447339185' post='12588800']So, after reading through pages and pages:

Modus 120 = Dynamic Gold
Modus 130 = Project X
Modus 125 = ? A hybrid of both?

Seems the 125 is the perfect mix of both from what I read. Anyone find that the 120 or 130 actually worked better for them?

Always leary of a mythical shaft that is all things to all people.[/quote]

Nippon shafts are really for everyone. Haha. In seriousness, I've hit the 950,1050,1150, super preening orange, modus 120 and modus 105. I can pretty much hit all of them and they all have that smooth Nippon feel. I don't swing very hard or fast but have had had no problem with all the above shafts. I'm current playing the 1050 and modus 105 in 2 sets and love the 105. I actually didn't have that much luck with the 120. It spun to much and launched too high for me.

[NRJyzr]

[quote name='Fade to Black' timestamp='1447339185' post='12588800']
So, after reading through pages and pages:

Modus 120 = Dynamic Gold
Modus 130 = Project X
Modus 125 = ? A hybrid of both?

Seems the 125 is the perfect mix of both from what I read. Anyone find that the 120 or 130 actually worked better for them?

Always leary of a mythical shaft that is all things to all people.

Reason I ask: I've played PX6.5 and X100 shafts. Love the feel of the X100 but prefer the flatter flight of the PX 6.5. Wondering if the Modus 125 would be that unicorn that combines both into one?
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From what I've taken from this thread, the 120 is like a "one flex softer" version of DG, and the 125 is also somewhat DG-ish, though not as soft as the 120. The 125 profile is also said to be almost dead on that of the Super Peening Blue, it could be seen as a lighter version of that.

[mbrogan]

I recently got fitted into 1150 GH....the Modus did not work for me at all. I was playing C-Taper prior and these were much more consistent on the trackman....have a full set of 716 T-MB's coming with them in x-flex soft stepped once. Can't wait to try them out on course

[ob1soccer]

so if the 105 is most similiar to the 125, what would be lighter version of the 130. interested in higher flight , but less weight

[markheardjr]

[quote name='ob1soccer' timestamp='1447337869' post='12588694']
is the main difference between the 130 and the 105 the weight?
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The difference in 125 and 105 is weight. The difference in 105 and 130 is the profile. However results are kind of similar. 105 is going to be a more penetrating flight while 130 is going to launch higher. The 105 has a stiffer tip so it is going to have lower spin from that, while the 130 has a very stiff mid-section which also helps it keep spin down. The 105 is going to be more like a lighter DG shaft while the 130 is going to be more like a PX if that helps any.
Due to the profile differences you can get varying results from different players. 20g-ish is a lot of weight differential and the 130 is a bit counter-balanced with all the weight being up in the grip and mid section. So for late-releasers this shaft can help you get around where the 105 might mess up your timing and not provide enough resistance on the downswing for you to really generate the lag you like.
Likewise the 105 is very light and can be overpowered with a late release lag swing. I find it suits more the traditional sweeping early/mid release types. It is well balanced with a stiff butt and stiff tip and softer mid.
For me personally, the 130 has a high strong flight with almost a determined rise and fall. The 105 launches flat and just hangs with zero determination to fall out of the sky. My issue was a bit with the timing of the lighter shaft and for someone with that late release and lag I just didn't feel like I was getting any power behind my shot. I would nut a 6i and it would go a smidge farther than my usual 7i. But it was nearly effortless to hit it. If I could get less steep on my attack angle and more wide coming forward the 105 could have been a fun experiment. For now I think for me, it's just a bit too light for my liking. But I know it's working for tons of guys out there, PGA tour guys, so it's not the arrow, its the Indian.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='ob1soccer' timestamp='1447343585' post='12589108']
so if the 105 is most similiar to the 125, what would be lighter version of the 130. interested in higher flight , but less weight
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2F15 prototype which might be hard to find or more common the 1150 GH Tour is a bit in between a 125 and a 130 IMO but comes in at 116g in S or 121 in X.

I saw a tweet from the Nippon rep that said they have some new shafts in the pipeline, maybe we will see something new for next year? Maybe they will looking at a lighter weight 130 type shaft??