Confessions 12 --- Exploding Heads

[bortass]

GEA is how I found these forums. I think there was something mentioned about Encyclopedia Texarkana there. I never went back, same with the sandy hazard mentioned above. Golfwrx won the battle of the golf forums for me. lol.

[mdgboxx]

Although I landed in a Sand Trap, I was actually searching for the hacker's P, which I found eventually. Can't log in in there either. There's even less to see there than the trap.

 

[BIG STU]

I looked in there a couple of times too and had no interest at all. I think the proper term is lurked in there but you know what I mean

[bortass]

I completely forgot about Hackers....

[mdgboxx]

Maybe it's a blessing on this Easter Weekend.

I checked out the "Rules threads" on both of those sites. I have to admit that we have a Super Solid one right here on GolfWRX.

[Qqq123xx]

Bump

And what is M-G-S ??

[mdgboxx]

Cant't post competitors on here. PM sent.

[dan360]

We can't? my golf s.py , hackers paradise , etc? bummer. I figured they wouldn't mind us talking about the backmarkers ;)

[DeNinny]

I confess I can't believe this thread is still alive.

 

Hi 'erebody!

 

And dan360 buying PXG crap...smh...?

[dan360]

I never quite made it to Lucky 13.

 

...and as far as the PXG's go, my white trash hotties needed fatty friends.

[DeNinny]

PXGs are like the chubby below average chick that's gotten liposuction, Botox, lip injections, fake breasts, fake ass, hair extensions, and every bit of cosmetic surgery known to man in order to look "hot".

Whereas baby blades are like the all natural perfect 10 models that are still hot on their worst day.

[mdgboxx]

Hey, Hey, Hey DeNinny,

Where you been all this time?

While you were on vacation from us, I don't think one page was written without your name on it. We kept the house clean and welcoming just for you.

Welcome back Big Daddy.

 

[DeNinny]

msg my buddy you are good man. As always thanks for the kind words and I hope all is well with you.

As to myself in short golf simply lost its luster with me for a while. Got burnt out on it. And I had a few gout attacks that kept me off the course. So literally I have not been playing much golf at all for the last several months I only just played 9 holes last Sun, shot a 51 from the blues/tips at a tough course. I am so out of golf shape it is ridiculous.

And then on top of all that the site interface changed and I had to reset my password which I was too lazy to do.

So although I didn't post much, I did take peeks in this thread just out care and silent support for you Confessions die hards. I didn't read every single post, but after I was completely away for like three months I came back and saw you and BIG STU and others still posting about me. From then I've kept lurking this thread every week or so.

Also I confess that when I read that my man dan360 was getting some PXGs after I had just helped him get his baby blades it was practically like he was begging me to troll him about it. ?

[dan360]

Just tryina help!

 

[DeNinny]

Based on my paper evaluation it looks like PXGs are designed to produce a unique feel. And if the materials of construction are good then I could see how people would like them as compared to lower quality clubs and materials. But as long as they keep putting that material in the head, that is going to damp and change the feel and feedback as compared to the BB's.

[DeNinny]

Here's the PXG marketing literature

"Impact Reactor™ Technology, powered by a DualCOR™ system, supports significant face deflection during impact to increase face loading and delivers more energy to the golf ball. This helps create explosive ball speeds and distance, while maintaining an unbelievably soft, yet solid feel."

Now let's break this bogus mumbo jumbo down, bit by bit...

"Impact Reactor™ Technology, powered by a DualCOR™ system, supports significant face deflection during impact"

^ This is technically admitting that the clubface deflects and bends to accommodate the force and curved surface of the ball at impact. This is also a technically inferior design as compared to a less deflecting clubface because you can't get consistent spin from shot to shot when the face deflects more. LMAO the face deflecting is a drawback.

"...to increase face loading and delivers more energy to the golf ball."

^ This is bogus and untrue false marketing from a technical perspective. While it is true that the face will deflect more by the weaker face strength design, and thus "load". What really happening here is that the total energy of the swing, and thus at impact, is generated by the GOLFER and has nothing to do with the supposed "Impact Reactor". The thing is, all that energy that is supposedly "created" by the flexing face is actually just TRANSFERRED energy that was no longer used to compress the actual golf ball. Putting it another way, the face deflected more at the expense of the golf ball literally compressing LESS. End result is ZERO overall net gain or reduction in energy from that "Impact Reactor". Pure marketing technical malarkey.

"This helps create explosive ball speeds and distance, while maintaining an unbelievably soft, yet solid feel."

^ Again for earlier reasons stated, no, there is no more explosive ball speed added to the shot with this bullcrap than any other clubface (all other things equal). And so no, this clubhead won't add ball speed (all other things equal). Again technical malarkey here.

But at least the last part is subjectively true. ?

[BIG STU]

WOW Do Not believe it the NINJA is alive!!!! Glad to see you back!!!! Missed you man.

Now I am on the laid up trail. I had semi retired drawing my SS ( mail box money) and working 20 hrs a week. 2 weeks ago took a nasty fall cleaning out a trailer> I now have a fractured #3 Vertebrae and a fractured left scapula. Spent 3 nights in the hospital with a concussion too. No golf for me for a while. What is the kicker I had retired the first of April was playing golf 5 days a week both front line stuff and vintage. Had lost 10 lbs of weight not even trying now I am laid up for at least 6 to 8 more weeks

That scenario you just presented is dead on it--- I did not have to read that one twice to dissect it I have known and preached it for years. Spin and control is all about BALL compression. Springing faces is where the ball comes off too fast and thus you lose control. Us old school guys have known that for years that is why back in the persimmon and balata days good players mostly used pressed fiber faces on their drivers. Now the down fall was that the ball stayed on the face microseconds longer and with balata more spin with some distance loss but better control. Anyone who does not believe me take any modern ball with one of those 3 piece faced hot irons and try to control it and predict IF it will stop or not. Then take a pure forged one piece blade and do the same thing and you will see the difference. I have been playing quite a bit of persimmon golf lately ( before my mishap). I had mostly been playing softer balls ( ie: Srixon Soft Feel Call Away Super Soft) loved the feel and performance. Transferred it to my modern or somewhat modern stuff. I am about 5 yards or so shorter from what I usually hit the metal driver and fairways etc but have more control and good gracious I spin them about a good as a balata.

Couple of weeks ago I pulled a fast one on some of the guys. I had been practicing some messing around the short game area with some Balata PGA brand balls our fellow WRXer Just as Good graciously sent me. At the time our 18th hole a par 5 had problems with the green. Usually for me it is driver, 5 wood or 19 hybrid and SW. Now that green is as hard as the times in 29. I snuck a balata PGA ball in for my wedge ( we were not playing for money) Hit it in there with my half worn out beloved 588 56* That ball with my cut spin jumped sideways spinning and checked up. One of the guys told the Pro/Co Owner about that which he saw the shot from the patio, The pro told him knowing me I has dropped a balata ball on them. They asked me about that and I told them yep. My pro just chuckled.

But yep I have posted the FACTS you just relayed on here and on other sites and have been laughed at----- Glad to see a man of education and science has the same thoughts again by science and knowledge---- Of course it is funny we have always thought alike but come about our thoughts in different ways.

Missed you man try not to stay away so ling

[DeNinny]

Oh man BIG STU that's a nasty injury. Sorry to hear about that. Rest up and get well soon. And with coronavirus on top of things the last thing you want is to have to go to the hospital these days.

I always love reading your golf stories. And LOL when scientific fact is on your side, I LMAO on the inside whenever someone tries to laugh at it or try to refute it. To me it demonstrates their ignorance and arrogance.

I have a good golf buddy that always claims that he doesn't have the swing to play my Miuras (baby blades or retro TBs). He even games the Cobra King MBs and is easily a single digits handicap. And whenever I let him hit any of my Miuras, he just pures them and hits an awesome shot. But yet he still struggles with accepting that he could easily game true blades. He even says "it's the Indian, not the arrow", but yet still thinks you have to have "game" to play blades. In my eyes he's a complete contradiction. It just cracks me up whenever he nuts one of my Miuras but still thinks he doesn't have the game for them. He has first hand knowledge on how good they are but yet has a mental block about them being "difficult" clubs to hit. ??

And I attribute and blame his mental conundrum on all the faux "forgiveness" club manufacturers and marketers. It's a crying shame how they've deceived golfers at a profit.

We make a good golf science team, and I've missed you too, buddy.

[dan360]

I equate golf equipment marketeering to magic voodoo unknowns bamboozling layman, like why water boils, or how electricity, x-ray machines, female brains, and a car’s automatic transmission work.

Explosive Ball Speeds. Well, zero to X mph in an inch is explosive speed so more a definition of normal operation than an improvement.

Face Loading. Heck even solid steel compresses. Maybe not at a rate we can see but .0000000001mm is still technically compression.

Impact Reactor. Bouncy ball goo. Cool.

DualCor. You made your bouncy ball goo from 2 part polymer. Sweet.

2 part polymer. Two different types of “plastic”

 

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Goooood. Let the irony flow thru you...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DeNinny]

@dan360 ? that's exactly why I knew you weren't buying those PXGs for the "tech". Making the news of it a bit more palatable.

[DeNinny]

"Face Loading. Heck even solid steel compresses. Maybe not at a rate we can see but .0000000001mm is still technically compression."

^ This is tied to my point earlier about no net energy gain or loss with different club faces. At impact, a face like this will compress the ball more as compared to the face that flexes more. The face that flexes more will compress the ball LESS.

And then since this face compresses the ball less, the ball itself won't decompress and thus "spring" off the clubface as much as the more compressed ball from the less flexing face.

LOL but PXG left this part entirely out of their "forgiving" advertising.

[DeNinny]

BTW BIG STU about three to four months ago I was at the range and I met a dude with a beautiful set of some Mizuno MS-9s. I had never seen them before and so I did a double take when I did. He was a new golfer and said he was just looking for a beater set to start using just to learn the game and I think he said he got them online. They were in great shape with the exception of the crusty original rubber grips. What was really cool was that he had a 2i. AND he let me hit it. And wow, even with the crusty grip the thing felt amazing when I hit it well. Not quite baby blade amazing, but still as amazing as any other Mizuno blade. Anyway when I was hitting them I actually thought of you and WRX. Have you ever hit them and what do you think of them in the world of blades?

[mdgboxx]

LOL,

I wonder if PXG will ever get into the construction business and come out with a "DualCOR" hammer face that will get the nail in quicker and with exploding force, even if held by a ten year old.

Old geezers like myself would gladly fork out $100 for one or two of those.

[dan360]

Full disclosure,

 

I wanted a minty McMint set of PINGs from my junior days but holy moly baloney have they gotten expensive.

 

Soooooo next best thing, and in someways a better best thing, is the PXG since the (essentially) same witch doctors who designed the weapons from my youth that I admire oh so, enginerd’d the specificationalistics on these puppies.

 

Look. It’s like longing for a classic bowl of Lucky Charms with the pink hearts yellow moons orange stars green clovers and blue diamonds with purple horseshoes for effect... only to discover now instead there’s freakin multi colored unicorns hourglasses crystal balls stupid arse rainbows and what they claim is a leprechaun hat but looks to me like a green porta potti. No f’n thank you.

 

Then thru intense research you discover the designers of your favorite original Lucky Charms are at another less politically correct sugar cereal company making something very similar to Lucky Charms with better marshmallows and (opinion) a little cocaine in it* for a quick pick me up… Kind of a win-win right?

 

* PXG irons do not contain cocaine. But if they did...

[DeNinny]

???

You hit the nail on the head right there!

[DeNinny]

@dan360 I get it. But also to me it wasn't those Lucky Charms that enabled you to play at the level you did during your youth. To me you played well DESPITE the (UN)Lucky (C)harms. You were so good back then that, even handicapped by using technically inferior PINGs, you were still able to play very well with them.
Rather than try to recreate your past, think of what great golf you *could* have played with those White Trash Hotties in your bag.
In other words, eat your Wheaties. ???

[dan360]

I like both

confess to kinda missing my MP33’s tho

 

[DeNinny]

I always preferred Count Chocula over Lucky Charms myself. Never cared for Wheaties.

Having hit your MP33s I understand. Like buttah. Mizunos and Miuras have their own feel that is subjective as to which is "better". Variety is the spice of life.

[dan360]

There’s a company out there making a multi hundred dollar titanium hammer with a carbon fiber handle.

 

from what I’ve experienced you can throw them pretty far. But I don’t think any farther than the standard hickory and steel variety.

[DeNinny]

On paper I could totally see the benefit of titanium shafts and possibly also as an iron head. Titanium is known to have one of the highest strength to weight ratios of any material. Plus it doesn't rust. On paper this means you could make a very light but still strong shaft with it. Which furthermore means (on paper) you could generate high clubhead speed with it. As an iron head I'm not as sure it would work as well because it may be too light for good impact with the ball and I don't know how well it would wear from impact as compared to steel. Also a titanium shaft or iron head would be expensive AF.