Sung Hyun Park

[Jasonic]

I see your point, but I wouldn't go to Korea and expect the broadcasters there to say my English name correctly.

 

You'd be pleasantly surprised. The golf broadcasters in Korea are quite professional and consistent and don't take creative liberties with people's names.

 

Its not about creative liberties, its about language differences. I doubt a Korean can pronounce my name perfectly. I wouldn't expect him to, nor would it offend me.

pbbbttt, how hard is it to pronounce Hot Rod?? :) Maybe a bit of an issue with the "R".

 

Hot Lod is totally acceptable in my book. Although if they butchered the short "O" It would be trouble. Hot Load is not acceptable in my book

[Jasonic]

Public service announcement time.

 

The entire on-air staff at Golf Channel does not know how to correctly pronounce the name of the number three ranked player in the world.

 

"Sung Hyoon" is a wrong pronunciation.

 

The "Hyun" in "Sung Hyun" rhymes with "Chun" as in "In Gee Chun". Coincidentally, "Sung Hyun" rhymes with "young gun".

 

Nothing difficult about that, right? The professional broadcasters at GC may suffer some kind of mental block that prevents them from speaking correctly, but that doesn't mean that we all have to go around talking like idiots as well.

 

I see your point, but I wouldn't go to Korea and expect the broadcasters there to say my English name correctly.

 

I will say she cleans up well.....

 

 

 

 

I would agree with that statement

[legitimategolf]

We're not talking about some relatively unknown player coming over on a sponsor's invite. Sung Hyun is the 3rd ranked player in the world. She played a number of LPGA tournaments last season, and is more than 3/4 of the way through her rookie season. I don't think it's asking too much for the full time staff of The Golf Channel to get the pronunciation of her name correct at this point. Have they asked her how it's pronounced?

 

Good point. I think it's just plain old laziness. They are able to say "Sherman Santiwiwatthanaphong" without too much trouble, and that's because you have to focus when trying to say a name like "Santiwiwatthanaphong". I think they just assume that a "Sung Hyun Park" is simple and can't really be botched thus they pay no attention to it.

[4waymiss]

Different languages have their own nuances for a non native speaker to get it exactly right.

 

I am not offended when they pronounce Yani Tseng without the proper contour/tone on the Tseng, as Chinese language is tonal.

 

The announcers pronounce Karine Icher as Kareeen Icher, instead of the French way, which sounds like hocking a loogie to me. Tom Abbott attempts it, but maybe a native French speaker would prefer him to stick with "Kareeen"

[legitimategolf]

Nuances. Lol. "Sung Hyoon" is just flat out wrong, and no amount of pseudo intellectual jive talk will make it right.

[Anchor44]

Remarkable in this day and age.

 

"I don't have any swing coach, so I practice by myself," Park said. "I tape my own swing and study and analyze it as many times as I can. That is something I try to perfect myself. Maybe that's a little different, but that's the way I do it."

Sung Hyun Park's Korean nickname is...."Namdalla"...which means...."I'm Different"

 

Her coach in Orlando is Brian Moag....she doesn't see him often and I wouldn't be surprised that when they have a session...she doesn't listen to much of what he has to say.

 

SHP certainly is different.

While most LPGA pros have male fans (except for the lesbian pros).....Namdalla's fans are called the "Attack Girls".

It's hard to see....but "Namdalla" is on the visor/caps of the Attack Girls in this picture.

 

 

Oh ya....I can't remember name ....but I believe SHP has another Korean nickname....which means something like...."Shut up and Attack".

 

Those are girls?

[Imhappyinthe80s]

Tom abbott does a good job imo. Being that he is English, from my view as an American who loves soccer, the epl announcers say foreign players names in their own way and a lot of tines, not correctly.

[EmperorPenguin]

Nuances. Lol. "Sung Hyoon" is just flat out wrong, and no amount of pseudo intellectual jive talk will make it right.

Eh, Americans will never get it. To this day, I still have not met an American anywhere in the states who can pronounce Hyundai correctly.

 

Returning to topic, I was surprised to read in the opening post that Sung Hyun taught herself the swing using video. If you think about it, all you need is a video camera with tripod and a good golf book that details correct positioning at various parts of the swing.

 

Her swing is textbook? For some shots I think so, but other times I think her follow-through is a bit high. I think Hyo Joo Kim's swing is superior and as close to perfection as possible.

[Hakko]

Nuances. Lol. "Sung Hyoon" is just flat out wrong, and no amount of pseudo intellectual jive talk will make it right.

Eh, Americans will never get it. To this day, I still have not met an American anywhere in the states who can pronounce Hyundai correctly.

 

 

 

Blame whoever formalized Korean-Roman transliteration. In both Chinese and Japanese standard transliterations, "ai" is pronounced "aye". Not sure why for Korean they don't use the more correct "ae".

[legitimategolf]

Nuances. Lol. "Sung Hyoon" is just flat out wrong, and no amount of pseudo intellectual jive talk will make it right.

Eh, Americans will never get it. To this day, I still have not met an American anywhere in the states who can pronounce Hyundai correctly.

 

 

 

Blame whoever formalized Korean-Roman transliteration. In both Chinese and Japanese standard transliterations, "ai" is pronounced "aye". Not sure why for Korean they don't use the more correct "ae".

 

The romanization is not perfect, but ultimately the blame lies with people's laziness. The Golf Channel broadcast team is equally adept at botching non-Korean names too such as "Area Jutañugarn".

[Hakko]

Nuances. Lol. "Sung Hyoon" is just flat out wrong, and no amount of pseudo intellectual jive talk will make it right.

Eh, Americans will never get it. To this day, I still have not met an American anywhere in the states who can pronounce Hyundai correctly.

 

 

 

Blame whoever formalized Korean-Roman transliteration. In both Chinese and Japanese standard transliterations, "ai" is pronounced "aye". Not sure why for Korean they don't use the more correct "ae".

 

The romanization is not perfect, but ultimately the blame lies with people's laziness. The Golf Channel broadcast team is equally adept at botching non-Korean names too such as "Area Jutañugarn".

 

Maybe you should blame the company itself, since its US commercials use the pronunciation "hun-day". Apparently they think Americans have a huge problem with the phoneme "hy-", especially in Houston, but we're only human.

[Shilgy]

Nuances. Lol. "Sung Hyoon" is just flat out wrong, and no amount of pseudo intellectual jive talk will make it right.

Eh, Americans will never get it. To this day, I still have not met an American anywhere in the states who can pronounce Hyundai correctly.

 

 

 

Blame whoever formalized Korean-Roman transliteration. In both Chinese and Japanese standard transliterations, "ai" is pronounced "aye". Not sure why for Korean they don't use the more correct "ae".

 

The romanization is not perfect, but ultimately the blame lies with people's laziness. The Golf Channel broadcast team is equally adept at botching non-Korean names too such as "Area Jutañugarn".

Count me in as one that does not know for certain the correct way on that name. Heard once on a telecast "Joot-a-new-garn" and thought that had to be wrong.

 

Perhaps it would be best if instead of folks posting and blasting the incorrect pronunciations they also provided the correct way?

[Your-away!]

Tom abbott does a good job imo. Being that he is English, from my view as an American who loves soccer, the epl announcers say foreign players names in their own way and a lot of tines, not correctly.

 

Sorry Soccer is pronounced Football :taunt:

[EmperorPenguin]

Sorry Soccer is pronounced Football :taunt:

 

You mean Association Football?

[Argonne69]

Tom abbott does a good job imo. Being that he is English, from my view as an American who loves soccer, the epl announcers say foreign players names in their own way and a lot of tines, not correctly.

 

Sorry Soccer is pronounced Football :taunt:

 

I'll take Aussie Footy. 'Best d*mn ball sport in the World.

[Your-away!]

Sorry Soccer is pronounced Football :taunt:

 

You mean Association Football?

 

nope just plain Football, you know the sport that has a round ball that you actually kick with your foot :bb2:

[Argonne69]

Sorry Soccer is pronounced Football :taunt:

 

You mean Association Football?

 

nope just plain Football, you know the sport that has a round ball that you actually kick with your foot :bb2:

 

Bah. Who invents a sport where you can't use your hands, and any minor contact results in a player flopping on the ground and writhing in agony?

 

Footy is the ultimate ball sport because a) it has almost continuous action, b) they actually score on a regular basis, c) kicking, passing, and catching are all important skills, and d) physical contact is allowed.

[Hakko]

 

Footy is the ultimate ball sport because a) it has almost continuous action violence, b) they actually score hospitalize their opponents on a regular basis, c) kicking, passing, and catching, and rabbit punching are all important skills, and d) physical contact is allowed positively encouraged.

 

 

FIFY

[Argonne69]

I spent a little time trying to come up to speed on Korean to English translation, which involves converting Korean to the Latin alphabet, know as Romanization. I found a converter that might be useful: http://roman.cs.pusan.ac.kr/input_eng.aspx?

 

Sung Hyun's name in Korean is 박성현. Using the converter, one winds up with four options:

 

- Bak Seonghyeon [Revised Romanization of Korean] - B a k S eo ng H yeo n

- Pak Sŏnghyŏn [McCune-Reischauer Romanization]

- Pak Senghyen [Yale Romanization]

- [Allowed] Bak(Park/Pak) Seong-hyeon

 

A useful site for learning pronunciations of Romanized names is http://pronounce.voanews.com/browse-all.php?tab=os&start=100

 

So, my take on it would be Pahk Sohng h-Yuhn.

 

Pahk (

http://pronounce.voanews.com/sounds/2657.mp3:

Park Chung-Hee)

 

Sohng (

http://pronounce.voanews.com/sounds/3017.mp3:

Yim Sung-Joon)

 

h-Yuhn (

http://pronounce.voanews.com/sounds/2904.mp3:

Roh Moo-Hyun)

[legitimategolf]

I spent a little time trying to come up to speed on Korean to English translation, which involves converting Korean to the Latin alphabet, know as Romanization. I found a converter that might be useful: http://roman.cs.pusa...input_eng.aspx?

 

Sung Hyun's name in Korean is 박성현. Using the converter, one winds up with four options:

 

- Bak Seonghyeon [Revised Romanization of Korean] - B a k S eo ng H yeo n

- Pak Sŏnghyŏn [McCune-Reischauer Romanization]

- Pak Senghyen [Yale Romanization]

- [Allowed] Bak(Park/Pak) Seong-hyeon

 

A useful site for learning pronunciations of Romanized names is http://pronounce.voa...ab=os&start=100

 

So, my take on it would be Pahk Sohng h-Yuhn.

 

Pahk (

http://pronounce.voa...ounds/2657.mp3:

Park Chung-Hee)

 

Sohng (

http://pronounce.voa...ounds/3017.mp3:

Yim Sung-Joon)

 

h-Yuhn (

http://pronounce.voa...ounds/2904.mp3:

Roh Moo-Hyun)

 

More "suhng" than "sohng" ("sohng" as in Jennifer Song). Sung rhymes with Chung, which for whatever reason people don't have a problem with, i.e. they don't say "Chooong". Anyways the main problem people have in saying "Sung Hyun Park" is the "Hyun".

 

For whatever reason they don't have the same problem with In Gee Chun. As loose as Americans are with people's names I've never once heard anyone say "In Gee Chooon".

 

I noticed that the Australian crew were much better. I think half of them said it right and the other half said "Sung Hyoooon".

 

On a related note, back when Na Yeon Choi was contending in tournaments, they would always say "Na Yoooon" which is, you know, quite creative. It's like, how'd you come up with that? Rolfing Rules of Romanization I guess.

[Argonne69]

The 'eo' vowel is pronounced more like an 'Oh' than a 'Yu', which would put it closer to Song than Sung.

 

Now, the rub is that given names can be converted however the person likes. Maybe she chose Sung over Seong (the "proper" conversion) because she preferred the "Yu" in the pronunciation.

 

Edit: I found another site that shows 'eo' being pronounced like the 'ou' (Young). In that case it would certainly sound more like Chung than Song.

[legitimategolf]

The 'eo' vowel is pronounced more like an 'Oh' than a 'Yu', which would put it closer to Song than Sung.

 

Now, the rub is that given names can be converted however the person likes. Maybe she chose Sung over Seong (the "proper" conversion) because she preferred the "Yu" in the pronunciation.

 

Edit: I found another site that shows 'eo' being pronounced like the 'ou' (Young). In that case it would certainly sound more like Chung than Song.

 

"eo" is pronounced like "uh", as in Na-YUHN or So-YUHN. "Seong Hyun" would be an acceptable spelling but there should be no ambiguity about the pronunciation. "Suhng Hyuhn" is it. Actually if she went with "Seong" she'd have to go with "Hyeon" (as in everyone's favorite KLPGAer Hyeon Joo). Seong Hyeon Park... I wonder how people would manage to botch that. Probably would add a bunch of syllables.

 

Incidentally the Korean alphabet is very easy for foreigners to learn. One of the easiest, according to linguists. Useful for any hardcore, illicit broadcast stream-watchin' LPGA fan if you ask me.

[rlee323]

Not nearly enough coverage of her chance to match Nancy Lopez's accomplishment in her 1st year on the LPGA.

[Argonne69]

Congrats on getting to #1 in the World. That's quite an accomplishment for a rookie. The scary thing is that she plays rather sloppily, and unfocused at times. As good as she is now, I think her best days are yet to come. Her ballstriking can be improved. She's currently #119 in driving accuracy at 68.7%. She should be able to get that up in the 75% range. Otherwise her driving distance and GIR are both in the top 10. She might be able to improve each slightly, but I'm not convinced it would gain her a whole lot. Her scrambling can also improve a bit. She's ranked 35th in putting average, which indicates she's not getting up and down as often as she could.

[Haig79]

Sung Hyun Park - 2017

 

1. Leading Money Winner 2.3 Million

2. Rookie of the Year

3. Co Player of the Year

4. USWO Champion

 

Very successful first full year in my book.

 

She has one of the best looking golf swings by anyone. If she can get rid of the one bad day, the she will dominate. I think she knows that her mental game suffers from time to time. When she learns to keep mental focus with a lead, she is going to win going away.

[Argonne69]

I think that's a good assessment. This week she had two bad days. She seems to mentally check out at times. While she has a great looking swing, she can miss a few too many greens when it's off. Is it a timing thing? One needs a swing that can hold up under pressure.

[handicap122003]

I wish she would have won. But she wasn’t ready. Two bad days when they meant the most. Watch out next year.

[Napoleon253]

Remarkable in this day and age.

 

"I don't have any swing coach, so I practice by myself," Park said. "I tape my own swing and study and analyze it as many times as I can. That is something I try to perfect myself. Maybe that's a little different, but that's the way I do it."

So Awesome! I am really starting to enjoy watching the LPGA. Things like this just make me that much more of a fan... let’s go Sung!!

[Napoleon253]

Well that's what the translator said.....she probably was like "I cannot be defeated, I defeat all women....if they die, they die"

 

And then the translator was like "yeahh....ummmm, she says she's never had a coach but has always worked really hard on her swing!"

lol, yep

[Raving Shanker]

Sorry Soccer is pronounced Football :taunt:

 

You mean Association Football?

 

nope just plain Football, you know the sport that has a round ball that you actually kick with your foot :bb2:

 

I think kicking is usually done with feet. Yes, correct!