Project x 6.0 iron shafts

[MadGolfer76]

Dispersion is swing. Low launch is delivered loft.

[Howard_Jones]

> @ddetts said:

> > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > @Jc999 said:

> > > I am currently playing Miura cb 501s with project x 6.0 taper shaft. I am finding the ball flight is too low and doesn't have enough spin. My driver ss is 110-113 and my 7 iron ss is about 89 mph. The dispersion is so tight though with this shaft, but it won't launch high enough no matter what I do with my swing. What other shafts could I try? Would a project x 5.5 cause significantly more dispersion than a 6.0? What (any brand) shaft could minimize my dispersion while getting more height and spin? Could the rifle flighted shaft in 6.0 be a better choice?

> >

> > Bend lofts weaker if the shafts feels good.

> > Ball flight is a question of loft at impact, and the ball has no clue where loft came from, so if we use a shaft that bends more (and feel different) or if we just bend lofts weaker...same same, so bend lofts and save a lot of cash.

>

> In just weakening lofts, does one have to be worried about the addition of bounce on the irons and them possibly affecting turf interaction? Or does it have to be fairly extreme, like bending 4* in order to really impact the player?

 

Look at this club heads.....Loft and bounce is FIXED.

If its a shaft that delivers the head with 2 extra loft, that head will also have 2 extra bounce, EXACTLY the same as if we bended lofts 2 weak...No difference what so ever, we cant add loft and keep bounce that same, that cant be done no matter way we do it.

 

A shaft has the POTENTIAL to deliver more (or less) dynamic loft (actual loft at impact), but thats depending on the swing you put on it (load and release), while lofts is a constant change. (read better dispersion)

 

 

Choose shafts by Weight, Feel and Dispersion, leave ball flight to loft since thats a loft issue

 

 

[Stuart_G]

EDIT: sorry - redundant post.

[ddetts]

> @"Howard Jones" said:

> > @ddetts said:

> > > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > > @Jc999 said:

> > > > I am currently playing Miura cb 501s with project x 6.0 taper shaft. I am finding the ball flight is too low and doesn't have enough spin. My driver ss is 110-113 and my 7 iron ss is about 89 mph. The dispersion is so tight though with this shaft, but it won't launch high enough no matter what I do with my swing. What other shafts could I try? Would a project x 5.5 cause significantly more dispersion than a 6.0? What (any brand) shaft could minimize my dispersion while getting more height and spin? Could the rifle flighted shaft in 6.0 be a better choice?

> > >

> > > Bend lofts weaker if the shafts feels good.

> > > Ball flight is a question of loft at impact, and the ball has no clue where loft came from, so if we use a shaft that bends more (and feel different) or if we just bend lofts weaker...same same, so bend lofts and save a lot of cash.

> >

> > In just weakening lofts, does one have to be worried about the addition of bounce on the irons and them possibly affecting turf interaction? Or does it have to be fairly extreme, like bending 4* in order to really impact the player?

>

> Look at this club heads.....Loft and bounce is FIXED.

> If its a shaft that delivers the head with 2 extra loft, that head will also have 2 extra bounce, EXACTLY the same as if we bended lofts 2 weak...No difference what so ever, we cant add loft and keep bounce that same, that cant be done no matter way we do it.

>

> A shaft has the POTENTIAL to deliver more (or less) dynamic loft (actual loft at impact), but thats depending on the swing you put on it (load and release), while lofts is a constant change. (read better dispersion)

>

>

>

> Choose shafts by Weight, Feel and Dispersion, leave ball flight to loft since thats a loft issue

>

>

 

I understand loft and bounce are fixed together, and that one can't be changed indepedent of the other. My question was, if you bend loft weak which as you pointed out adds loft, what impact will that have on a player's impact?

 

So if I have 7i with 34* loft and 4* bounce and I want a higher flight, so I bend it to 36* loft which will then make it 6* bounce. I realize that is static loft and that dynamic loft and thus the bounce at impact could be different but all else being equal with my swing wouldn't I be delivering the club with 2* more bounce? Couldn't that affect turf interaction, ability to take divot, etc?

 

I'm not an expert in this area and have no experience in doing this work, so I am mainly just curious as to the cause/effect of these adjustments. I find these club building topics to be quite interesting.

[md_mueller]

That is correct, adding 2° of loft to the clubs as is will increase the bounce at impact by that same amount with the same swing. It is also true that switching to a shaft that causes you to increase dynamic loft by 2° will result in the same increased bounce at impact. Turf interaction will change (a small amount), but it will change either way with regard to adding loft via bending or adding dynamic loft via shaft change.

 

Impact could also change a bit, possibly lower on the head. To be honest, you may subconsciously alter your swing to counteract the change. Everyone reacts slightly differently, so the only way to know for you would be to try it. Bending the irons weaker limits the changing variables and is likely to be the cheapest, quickest fix since you like the feel and dispersion of the current shafts.

[Howard_Jones]

> @ddetts said:

> > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > @ddetts said:

> > > > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > > > @Jc999 said:

> > > > > I am currently playing Miura cb 501s with project x 6.0 taper shaft. I am finding the ball flight is too low and doesn't have enough spin. My driver ss is 110-113 and my 7 iron ss is about 89 mph. The dispersion is so tight though with this shaft, but it won't launch high enough no matter what I do with my swing. What other shafts could I try? Would a project x 5.5 cause significantly more dispersion than a 6.0? What (any brand) shaft could minimize my dispersion while getting more height and spin? Could the rifle flighted shaft in 6.0 be a better choice?

> > > >

> > > > Bend lofts weaker if the shafts feels good.

> > > > Ball flight is a question of loft at impact, and the ball has no clue where loft came from, so if we use a shaft that bends more (and feel different) or if we just bend lofts weaker...same same, so bend lofts and save a lot of cash.

> > >

> > > In just weakening lofts, does one have to be worried about the addition of bounce on the irons and them possibly affecting turf interaction? Or does it have to be fairly extreme, like bending 4* in order to really impact the player?

> >

> > Look at this club heads.....Loft and bounce is FIXED.

> > If its a shaft that delivers the head with 2 extra loft, that head will also have 2 extra bounce, EXACTLY the same as if we bended lofts 2 weak...No difference what so ever, we cant add loft and keep bounce that same, that cant be done no matter way we do it.

> >

> > A shaft has the POTENTIAL to deliver more (or less) dynamic loft (actual loft at impact), but thats depending on the swing you put on it (load and release), while lofts is a constant change. (read better dispersion)

> >

> >

> >

> > Choose shafts by Weight, Feel and Dispersion, leave ball flight to loft since thats a loft issue

> >

> >

>

> I understand loft and bounce are fixed together, and that one can't be changed indepedent of the other. My question was, if you bend loft weak which as you pointed out adds loft, what impact will that have on a player's impact?

>

> So if I have 7i with 34* loft and 4* bounce and I want a higher flight, so I bend it to 36* loft which will then make it 6* bounce. I realize that is static loft and that dynamic loft and thus the bounce at impact could be different but all else being equal with my swing wouldn't I be delivering the club with 2* more bounce? Couldn't that affect turf interaction, ability to take divot, etc?

>

> I'm not an expert in this area and have no experience in doing this work, so I am mainly just curious as to the cause/effect of these adjustments. I find these club building topics to be quite interesting.

 

Turn it upside down, at the moment you de-loft the club so much you dont have bounce,(its most likely negative) and you dont have loft enough, by bending lofts you will get both, so there is no reason to worry at all. Static loft and bounce dont matter, its the position the club head is delivered to the ball that matters, and at the moment with too little Loft AND Bounce.