The Release (Down Swing shaft parallel to ground right thigh high)

Exactice808 · November 8, 2019

Hey Gang I have a question (technical I think)

First, what is the cause or causes of the release? Ive been working on a swing revamp and I think I am finally apply a better move, (better rotation) This better rotation now creates "lag" I think, as I had a bad EE and more so cast at the ball.

My ball flight is dictating a release issue but I can "feel" it as well. When the club doesn't release it a block right, I can feel it in my wrist that its still set on contact. versus when I hit a good one it "feels" let go. The Woods are where I feel it the most, the irons not so much but I can feel the hinge and if it doesnt feel likes its let go its blocked right. when its let go boy it goes straight and nice.

Sorry for the rant, So again what is the basic cause, Is it assuming I am holding on to it myself? is it swing weight? is it length of club as it seems prevalent to longer clubs? what is a "general" factor of the release?

Secondly is there a better "factor" to be conscious of of practice. Apply more set or hold (I know its a big no no on holding lag but just asking) The limp wirst so it sets on its own? What is a preferred method to let the release go more consistently?

Hope this question makes sense! Thanks in advance!

cardoustie · November 8, 2019

Funny timing

I did a post a little while ago where I found releasing from the right thigh on the way back to the ball to be very easy for chipping and pitching and half shots, then applied it to all clubs

I firmly disagree with trying to hold angles on the downswing . .with one proviso .. when trying to hit a monster cut or a low long punch out from the woods where the balls needs to stay 3 feet off the ground for 20 yards or so

airjammer · November 8, 2019

The release is a function of deceleration..simple

as that. If you could not ever decelerate the club it would stay so far behind the hands it would be unplayable most likely

ferrispgm · November 8, 2019

could be too steep/yanking the handle from the top which causes you to raise the handle coming into impact as a last effort to shallow the club. If you have an EE issue this is probably the case

Exactice808 · November 8, 2019

> @airjammer said:

> The release is a function of deceleration..simple

> as that. If you could not ever decelerate the club it would stay so far behind the hands it would be unplayable most likely

If you could elaborate a touch more. I watched videos on why we decelerate the handle for the head to speed up and catch up. So that question then evolves to what is causing me to not decelerate the handle and accelerate the head? So its stuck lagging behind?

I was experimenting for the fun of it trying to hold the lag purposely as I had a casting issue before (due to EE, I was trying to over exaggerate the move) but that resulted in disasters as expected. So what is the product or cause of the lack of deceleration?

Exactice808 · November 8, 2019

> @ferrispgm said:

> could be too steep/yanking the handle from the top which causes you to raise the handle coming into impact as a last effort to shallow the club. If you have an EE issue this is probably the case

It could be, I have not filmed my swing in the last 3 months while I was feverishly trying to revamp my swing. With that though this may sound contradictory. I have tried all that I could to isolate arm movement. I was VERY handsy before and my downswing trigger was my hands down rather then my hips or core rotation. My current trigger now is the core rotation so the arms should be lagging better with a more shallow attack. I am Starting to feel the "cracking of the whip" but inconsistent at best right now. Yet thats when I feel the wrist at contact the most. The timing seems off. Again some times its really late and its a blocks. MOST times the flight is DEAD straight (I have NEVER hit dead straight shots LOL) and the "miss" is a flip or early release and the ball goes left.

So not sure if I am really "getting" steep or yanking consciously I have been "trying" consciously NOT to use the arms at all and let the core rotation do its thing?

ferrispgm · November 8, 2019

FYI feeling handsy can easily be from your hips firing too much to start and then they have to catch up by impact and flip as a result. The hips are best thought of as being there to support the swing instead of being there to power the swing.

Exactice808 · November 8, 2019

> @ferrispgm said:

> FYI feeling handsy can easily be from your hips firing too much to start and then they have to catch up by impact and flip as a result. The hips are best thought of as being there to support the swing instead of being there to power the swing.

The handsy thing was pre 4months ago.

Full EE arms fully extended, no hip rotation and stalled. The release is at the ground not through the ball. This was all arms initiating the swing rather than body. So not sure if the Hips firing too much was an issue it was the lack of continued rotation?

I need to get an updated swing as I "hope" there is enough subtle changes to edify some type of improvement LOL!!!

Nickc · November 8, 2019

A couple of weeks ago all was going astray (not that too brilliant) & all getting out of sync - so went back to 9 to 3 drill - well in fact initially 7 to 5 to get body and arms in sync.

Basically - hit a ball 7 to 5 with each club in turn (not driver) then for each club a 7 to 5 followed by a 9 to 3 then for each club a 7 to 5, a 9 to 3 & then a 10 to 2 (trying to shorten swing) - all now getting back in sync.

A note I am more a slicefixers 9 to 3 er than an Iteach 9 to 3 er!

airjammer · November 9, 2019

> @Exactice808 said:

> > @airjammer said:

> > The release is a function of deceleration..simple

> > as that. If you could not ever decelerate the club it would stay so far behind the hands it would be unplayable most likely

>

> If you could elaborate a touch more. I watched videos on why we decelerate the handle for the head to speed up and catch up. So that question then evolves to what is causing me to not decelerate the handle and accelerate the head? So its stuck lagging behind?

>

> I was experimenting for the fun of it trying to hold the lag purposely as I had a casting issue before (due to EE, I was trying to over exaggerate the move) but that resulted in disasters as expected. So what is the product or cause of the lack of deceleration?

According to Monte...casting is a pivot issue not really a hands arms issue.

From that picture..unless it has changed a lot you have no choice to release the club because you haven’t rotated enough to the get the club back to the ball without releasing early. Without seeing video too many scenarios to try to guess what the root cause is.

The deceleration part is not something most people have to think about. It’s a consequence of all the things that happened before.

Exactice808 · November 9, 2019

> @airjammer said:

> > @Exactice808 said:

> > > @airjammer said:

> > > The release is a function of deceleration..simple

> > > as that. If you could not ever decelerate the club it would stay so far behind the hands it would be unplayable most likely

> >

> > If you could elaborate a touch more. I watched videos on why we decelerate the handle for the head to speed up and catch up. So that question then evolves to what is causing me to not decelerate the handle and accelerate the head? So its stuck lagging behind?

> >

> > I was experimenting for the fun of it trying to hold the lag purposely as I had a casting issue before (due to EE, I was trying to over exaggerate the move) but that resulted in disasters as expected. So what is the product or cause of the lack of deceleration?

>

> According to Monte...casting is a pivot issue not really a hands arms issue.

>

> From that picture..unless it has changed a lot you have no choice to release the club because you haven’t rotated enough to the get the club back to the ball without releasing early. Without seeing video too many scenarios to try to guess what the root cause is.

>

> The deceleration part is not something most people have to think about. It’s a consequence of all the things that happened before.

>

The picture is the original swing to which I have been "TRYING" major or at least it feels like major changes.. But have not done an updated picture/video since..... need to get one to compare BUT YES.... bad EE and lots of early releasing etc....

This is why something has been up as I can feel a difference with the release now that I think I am actually rotating more and I think I am keeping more spine angle through the swing?

So can I assume since decel is not something to be "conscious" of, on good shots that go straight, I am rotating and releasing properly? ON blocks, I might be over rotating cause the delayed release? And on the hooks I am flipping at the ball? (I know its a useless guess without videos, but just trying to understand sequence I guess.

airjammer · November 9, 2019

Obviously just a pure guess but I would say the club is steep or something is getting in the way of your arms

Nard_S · November 9, 2019

I've played EE swing forever, when I got the concept that the body creates the space via better geometry and rotations to yield a natural release that has more forward bottoming, I started getting somewhere with things. You can gauge progress by release quality but improving on that is holistic to everything in the swing, so zeroing on hands as the "focus" can be dead end in itself if other more consequential things are too ignored.