Tommy Fleetwood straight arm drill

[vman]

He's doing it on the practise ground in Dubai. Check it out on the Europen Tour Twitter feed.

[Hawkeye77]

No he’s not!

Yes he is!

[vman]

I think he's doing his, not Dan's.

[glk]

If that is it, it is definitely not a straight arm drill. That is a 3/4 swing to left arm parallel ( actually a bit past). He is not keeping that right arm straight - and why would he on that length swing.

[dap]

@tommyfleetwood_1 words on his swing technicallyI square the club at impact by keeping my body turning. There's very little forearm rotation or flip, where the right hand rolls under the left. I see amateurs do that, and it's very hard to control ball flight if you're too active with your hands.Instead, keep your hands and arms passive, letting the club follow your body through impact. That means you gotta keep turning. I want my body rotation to stay ahead of my hands and club, as if they are being dragged. Do that, and you can swing down from the inside and square the clubface without forearm rotation. Even after I hit it, my forearms haven't turned much. This type of swing relies a lot less on timing. Even if you're off, your misses won't be as bad.A drill to get a feel for this is to take a 7-iron and hit shots that go only 100 yards. Do this simply by propelling the club with body rotation. Your arms stay long throughout the swing—like a windmill—but act like they're dead weight. This will help you feel how to square the club without trying to do it with your hands. Big-muscle swings are a lot easier to control. Different players have different ways to get their arms synced up with their pivot. Tommy feels like his pivot drags his arms through. Other players such as Justin Rose and Zach Johnson prefer to feel like the arms drag the pivot through. They want to feel their back facing the target while the arms drop down . Personally I prefer the Rose/Johnson drill.https://www.golfdigest.com/story/zach-johnson-downswing-drills

[iteachgolf]

How’d I get it wrong? You literally quoted me. The part I replied about was a direct quote from me and nobody else. I’m the only person who said that. So maybe you should reread it.

[Hilts1969]

Read the post it ain’t difficult and show me where I said you were trying to justify anything. The fact I mentioned your name in the iteach(doh)drill and then said that guy(the bloke I was originally debating with) jumped in trying to justify why he said the drills were the same is a massive give away to all but the hard of thinking or those with an ego which can’t accept a simple error.

 

[MK7Golf21]

This is true, the drill of feeling to keep your arms straight forces your body to turn on the backswing and maintain width. Lot of crappy golfers don’t turn enough on backswing and just fold their arms and this drill corrects that. Even with feeling the both arms straight on backswing, your right arm will still fold as it should but you will have proper shoulder turn to go with it.

Once you have a full turn and width on the backswing, then it’s just a matter of preference if you want to feel the arms lagging behind pivot or speeding up. There are different golf teachers that teach the opposite and neither is right or wrong, just preference and what works better for you.

[iteachgolf]

Idk why you are talking in circles. Why don’t go reap your post.

 

You said and I quote,

”The claim that straight arms means no lagging of the arms is a pretty poor attempt as justifying that the drills are the same.”

 

Again I’m the only person who said that straight arms means they can’t be lagging. So once again I’ll say, if you quote me and I’m the only one saying that, you’re talking about me

 

[Smash Factors]

Just to clarify.....

The point of the drill is to swing the club with the hands directly in front of the sternum and keep them there as if your arms and wrists are made of concrete.

Correct?

[Hilts1969]

[Hilts1969]

Look directly above you. Deary me reading comprehension Eh?

Like I said that guy kept insisting your drill was the same. He kept trying to justify it. That guy. My mistake was not remembering his username as I was typing. Hence that guy. I mentioned your name several times.

It is so laughably simple if you had read the thread properly. Now just admit you made a mistake.

[Hawkeye77]

Which one? Or either?

I'm lost!

[Hawkeye77]

Haven't kept up, and mean this with love, but if you are waiting for that - hope you got your Xmas presents already and it was a telescope because you'll be waiting right though the holidays and until the next appearance of Halley's Comet!

[Ghost of Snead]

Do I have to wait for Halley's Comet to get the Fleetwood / Iteach drills side-by-side so I can make my own decision as to whether they are the same ?

[stingerfade]

Sorry to break it to whoverer still cares for some reason but to me, they’re still the same drill. Swinging hip to hip trying to keep your arms straight. How you personally feel when you are performing this movement or what body part you focus on while accomplishing the task is irrelevant to the actual movement.

now if you’re talking about the new drill with tommy swinging with the stick in the grip...that is a whole different drill and ironically enough, one I learned directly from Iteach. I hope the internet doesn’t explode because if that information.

[Hilts1969]

You had lessons in person?

[Golfbeat]

Straight arms is straight arms. What is so difficult to understand? Who cares how it feels.

[Hilts1969]

The people actually doing it I would have thought

[Golfbeat]

How does a straight arm feel? It feels straight.

[Hawkeye77]

Someone should do this!

[swats]

I think you're being too optimistic. We at least know that Halley's Comet has actually occurred before and will occur again.

[hoselpalooza]

How you personally feel when you are performing this movement or what body part you focus on while accomplishing the task is irrelevant to the actual movement.i think this mentality causes many people to struggle with improvement. feel is essential to movement. by ignoring the feel component you rob your body of the opportunity to learn about what works and what doesn't from an inside perspective, regardless of what it looks like on the outside.

[Hilts1969]

Erm. Try and keep your right arm straight it will bend a little. Not my words but it is obviously true.

Now if you also try and keep it straight in the downswing but also have them drag behind your pivot, because that is already ingrained or you listened to Fleetwood which is what the thread Is about, then what happens? It bends.

You think you are keeping your arms straight but your not. Now as you are a straight arm feels straight guy then I presume a bent arm feels bent. As your arm should be a little bent then the drill in your opinion must be useless because it will be dead straight. After all keeping your arm straight is straightforward No?

So a good instructor may try to give you a feel or 2.

One could I suppose just return to impact pretty much in the same position as address. One could keep their chest closed too long. One could stand up one could drag their arms behind the pivot. These wouldn't be good swings but you are correct these would be a straight arm drill.

 

[stingerfade]

I worded that incorrectly of course whatever the feel you are feeling is relevant but it will be different for different people. Whatever the feel is is irrelevant to the fact that it’s the same movement on the outside.

two people do say the flamingo drill, one might feel it’s all arms, one might feel pressure in the left foot. It’s still the flamingo drill.

[hoselpalooza]

no worries. and at this point i'm more than willing to concede we were talking about "feel variations" of the same drill. i don't have the same drive to argue about pointless drivel as iteach does.

[Ghost of Snead]

Seems like you and Hilts started the pointless drivel long before iTeach jumped in ...

[Hilts1969]

No we were just disagreeing about whether it was the same drill with another poster then iteach jumped in claiming something that plainly wasn't true.

Now I have just replied to iteach when he has directly quoted me. It takes two to argue and he has already stated he likes a bit of an argument. Although he did warn me off having one:-)

As you have now jumped in with a post unrelated to the subject at hand one could say you have jumped in with pointless drivel.

Practice what you preach maybe?

 

[Ghost of Snead]

Hilts - you ruined the thread a long time ago. Move on ...

[Hilts1969]

Not easy is it when someone replies to You? That urge when you think someone has unfairly had a pop. So would you say so are now enhancing the thread or not?

Lesson learnt or will I get another reply not related to the subject matter.

I did say practice what you preach. It was quite a big hint preventing you from entering the hyprocisy territory. Let's see if you can do it the second time around.