Is PXG going out of business?

[cardia10]

28 minutes ago, snagy2000 said:

Read into as you may, but I didn't personally call YOU anything. Lots of smart people make stupid/lacking comments when they lack proper knowledge on a subject. IMO, your subject matter expertise in this thread, especially regarding to the OP's original subject, is well below average. 

So my comment to the original question In the post was no, PXG is not going out of business but I 100% see them changing tactics. I stated all the negatives that I saw based on other successful OEMs and then I was called an idiot and stupid. Won’t be the last time I’m called that, but kind of surprising hearing it when I’m pointing out the obvious. They have changed greatly the last 5 years and will continue to do it. I remember their early ads about even the pros pay for our clubs and no free stuff to anyone. They quickly figured out that a total of maybe 2 pros bought their clubs and they needed National tv exposure. Now they hand out clubs and pay. Parsons isn’t an idiot at all. Annoying, but very intelligent. They will survive as long g as he doesn’t lose interest but he is eccentric. I’d say 10 years then they are bought by someone else and could either go big or end up in a Golfworks catalog. I remember thinking we would never see the end of Maxfli irons…

Edited May 1, 2022 by cardia10

[TwistedSister]

46 minutes ago, cardia10 said:

And your opinion is? Wait, let me guess…PXG is the best ever and not waiting 30 days is well worth paying for the only shafts and grips they can get? $60 is fine for shipping because USPS just increased $15. (Even though PXG doesn’t use USPS) and I’m not hurt at all that I payed 2500 for my irons that are now on their site for $800 6 months later. I paid  too much for my putter too. Oh and I forgot, I’m an idiot, stupid and must be terrible at golf and life because I dont like being upcharged by PXG for every option. I think I covered them all for you all again. Opinions are like a holes, everyone has theirs and some of you alls stink much more than others. Appreciate some of you all willing to discuss things logically. 

Boy are you off base.  I paid 75 bucks per club with MMT shafts.  And they sent me 6 extra grips and $120 in merchandise because they had issue with Swing weighting that I can do myself.  So I have 12 grips I can sell and $120 worth of items.  Not bad for $510 shipped for 5-PW and shafts that sell new for $75 each.  You do the math.  510 minus 120  minus 90 in grips.  I think that comes out to $300 for 6 irons.  No they are as good as my wife's homemade bread with fresh melted butter but where else can one get 6 brand new irons with MMTs for $300 shipped.  Just because you chose to spend so much on irons is no reason to berate our opinions.  Sound like your are miffed because you bought something that lost value.  Don't almost all thing do that? 

Edited May 1, 2022 by dhacker56

[cardia10]

4 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

Boy are you off base.  I paid 75 bucks per club with MMT shafts.  And they sent me 6 extra grips and $120 in merchandise because they had issue with Swing weighting that I can do myself.  So I have 12 grips I can sell and $120 worth of items.  Not bad for $510 shipped for 5-PW and shafts that sell new for $75 each.  You do the math.  510 minus 120  minus 90 in grips.  I think that comes out to $300 for 6 irons.  No they are as good as my wife's homemade bread with fresh melted butter but where else can one get 6 brand new irons with MMTs for $300 shipped. 

100% agree, that is an awesome deal! I had them in my cart at what I thought was an awesome deal and couldnt get over the $60 shipping. Completely silly, but kind of turned me fast knowing that they are squeezing us for that. Their friendly customer service helps cover it a little, but if you want to act, price and sound Ferrari, be Ferrari, not Fiero when it comes to shipping. 

Edited May 1, 2022 by cardia10

[TwistedSister]

3 minutes ago, cardia10 said:

100% agree, that is an awesome deal! I had them in my cart at what I thought was an awesome deal and couldnt get over the $60 shipping. Completely silly, but kind of turned me fast knowing that Are squeezing us for that. Their friendly customer service helps cover it a little, bit if you want to act and sound Ferrari, be Ferrari, not Fiero when it comes to shipping. 

8-10 lbs weight for that volume on UPS INSURED 3-5 shipping  is gonna cost at least $35.  Did you expect them to be shipped FREE?  If you were a lefty I could sell you my DCs for a great price. 

Edited May 1, 2022 by dhacker56

[cardia10]

2 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

8-10 lbs weight for that volume on UPS INSURED 3-5 shipping  is gonna cost at least $35.  Did you expect them to be shipped FREE?

My business ships boxes that size and I’m betting we ship less than PXG and we are between $12-15 with both UPS and Fed Ex. I doubt we are 10 lbs. maybe 6 but think we work on a dim weight meaning the lighter they are, the more they cost as they waste space.  I can’t imagine we have a better deal than them. 
 

I mean, every other company ships them free and they cost 50% of the price of PXG. I mean, I guess the black box looks cool though. 

Edited May 1, 2022 by cardia10

[TwistedSister]

1 minute ago, cardia10 said:

My buness ships boxes that size and I’m betting we ship less than PXG and we are between $12-15 with both UPS and Fed Ex. I can’t imagine we have a better deal than them. 
 

I mean, every other company ships them free and they cost 50% of the price of PXG. I mean, I guess the black box looks cool though. 

What company sells SIX new irons for $600 ALL in?

[cardia10]

Just now, dhacker56 said:

What company sells SIX new irons for $600 ALL in?

Were they new or a few generations old (still new clubs) and discounted? Most OEMs don’t offer 4 generations of irons dtc. There may be some sitting in stores in inventory, but don’t think you can still get AP2 714 from Titleist. Guess Ping is probably the exception here. They stash all the old good stuff. 

[TwistedSister]

Just now, cardia10 said:

Were they new or a few generations old (still new clubs) and discounted? Most OEMs don’t offer 4 generations of irons dtc. There may be some sitting in stores in inventory, but don’t think you can still get AP2 714 from Titleist. Guess Ping is probably the exception here. They stash all the old good stuff. 

2021 0211STs  bought November 2021

 

[cardia10]

3 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

2021 0211STs  bought November 2021

 

Can’t be beat for that price for sure! Ive said here often I’ll try them again. Always great deals on used ones. Just waiting for a set to pop up with shafts that fit. 

Edited May 1, 2022 by cardia10

[TwistedSister]

1 minute ago, cardia10 said:

Can’t be beat for that price for sure! Ive said here often I’ll try them again. Always great deals on used ones. Just waiting for a set to pop up with shafts that fit. 

What shaft you looking for?

 

[cardia10]

Just now, dhacker56 said:

What shaft you looking for?

 

Project X 6.0 or DG S400. Honestly S300 or PX6.5 is ok too. 

[TwistedSister]

Just now, cardia10 said:

Project X 6.0 or DG S400. Honestly S300 or PX6.5 is ok too. 

Oh ! Superman

[cardia10]

Just now, dhacker56 said:

Oh ! Superman

Ha, not at all. Think that is why I don’t get along with some of the hollow head irons that are lower lofted. Not high spin at all and with stiffer shafts, they were long knuckle balls that were inconsistent. Played the PXGs in a member guest. 160 yard par 3, 7 iron, flew 200 into a tree behind green. Left them in the pro shop after the round and said forget that. They have sat there at $400 for a year without an offer. 

[TwistedSister]

1 minute ago, cardia10 said:

Ha, not at all. Think that is why I don’t get along with some of the hollow head irons that are lower lofted. Not high spin at all and with stiffer shafts, they were long knuckle balls that were inconsistent. Played the PXGs in a member guest. 160 yard par 3, 7 iron, flew 200 into a tree behind green. Left them in the pro shop after the round and said forget that. They have sat there at $400 for a year without an offer. 

STs not hollow.  Which PXGs? 

[cardia10]

6 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

STs not hollow.  Which PXGs? 

Gen2 is what I have. Want to try the Gen4. Sole widths were also a little odd to me. I like the P from the top but soles were wider than expected but don’t think I’d be good enough for the smaller ones. Would like to put together a combo set maybe. Headed to Scotland soon and was curious how the wider soles would work out. 

Edited May 1, 2022 by cardia10

[LoopySwing13]

38 minutes ago, cardia10 said:

100% agree, that is an awesome deal! I had them in my cart at what I thought was an awesome deal and couldnt get over the $60 shipping. Completely silly, but kind of turned me fast knowing that they are squeezing us for that. Their friendly customer service helps cover it a little, but if you want to act, price and sound Ferrari, be Ferrari, not Fiero when it comes to shipping. 

Ferrari’s depreciate though, be careful. Maybe not if you get one of the limited runs or special edition ones though. 

[hammergolf]

1 hour ago, cardia10 said:

Factual data- again 1. PXG Irons with Project X or DG S300 shafts and NDMC grips are priced double of most other OEM sets 2. PXG charges $60 for shipping. 3. PXG is a marketing machine if you enjoy a screaming 65 year old man claiming to make the best clubs ever. The marketing is so reminiscent of the Hammer driver it is scary with the same BOOM yell. I can’t get into that and it devalues the product for me when I hear that. 

Man, reading comprehension isn’t you’re strong point… 

1 Nobody in this thread EVER disputed the up charge for custom options. In fact, I literally posted that was the case previously.

2 Nobody in this thread disputed the shipping charges.

3 Your OPINION (not a fact) that “PXG is a marketing machine” is yet another hyperbolic, ignorant, and ridiculous statement you have made. Mike Nicolette, Brad Schweigart are two of the most decorated and respected club engineers in the industry. Combined they have over 50 years of club design and engineering experience. Hardly like “Warrior Golf and The Hammer”

 

You continue to make completely ignorant, and ridiculous statements. You have every right to complain about PXG’s custom option pricing and shipping charges. However when you make statements that are not only factually false and ridiculous you show your ignorance. Let’s summarize the statements you’ve made:

 

“Stock options are trash”  Thousands of very satisfied customers that have stock options in their clubs. In fact, many members raving about the performance of the Elevate and MMT shafts. Grips are a preference, I personally did not like the stock option, but rather than throw a tantrum I ordered them ungripped. Then sold the PXG grips on EBay and installed my grip of choice. Your statement was ignorant and is categorically false.

“ladies and senior weight shafts” considering Elevate shafts 96-103 grams and ladies/senior shafts weigh between 50 - 70 grams. Obviously the stock shafts are not the same weight. Yet again, another ignorant, categorically false statement.

 

”stock options fit nobody” Obviously True Temper designed this shaft to fit a segment of the market that their offerings did not address. In fact almost all other OEM’s offer it as an option. Once again ignorant and false.

 

Comparing PXG clubs to Warrior Golf and The hammer driver. Just an absolute clown statement. Do yourself a favor. Just quit while your behind. You continue to prove your ignorance and immaturity with every statement you make.

 

[TwistedSister]

10 minutes ago, cardia10 said:

Gen2 is what I have. Want to try the Gen4. Sole widths were also a little odd to me. I like the P from the top but soles were wider than expected but don’t think I’d be good enough for the smaller ones. Would like to put together a combo set maybe. Headed to Scotland soon and was curious how the wider soles would work out. 

You should be able to handle the ST blades.  I hit them better than the DCs

[cardia10]

2 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

Man, reading comprehension isn’t you’re strong point… 

1 Nobody in this thread EVER disputed the up charge for custom options. In fact, I literally posted that was the case previously.

2 Nobody in this thread disputed the shipping charges.

3 Your OPINION (not a fact) that “PXG is a marketing machine” is yet another hyperbolic, ignorant, and ridiculous statement you have made. Mike Nicolette, Brad Schweigart are two of the most decorated and respected club engineers in the industry. Combined they have over 50 years of club design and engineering experience. Hardly like “Warrior Golf and The Hammer”

 

You continue to make completely ignorant, and ridiculous statements. You have every right to complain about PXG’s custom option pricing and shipping charges. However when you make statements that are not only factually false and ridiculous you show your ignorance. Let’s summarize the statements you’ve made:

 

“Stock options are trash”  Thousands of very satisfied customers that have stock options in their clubs. In fact, many members raving about the performance of the Elevate and MMT shafts. Grips are a preference, I personally did not like the stock option, but rather than throw a tantrum I ordered them ungripped. Then sold the PXG grips on EBay and installed my grip of choice. Your statement was ignorant and is categorically false.

“ladies and senior weight shafts” considering Elevate shafts 96-103 grams and ladies/senior shafts weigh between 50 - 70 grams. Obviously the stock shafts are not the same weight. Yet again, another ignorant, categorically false statement.

 

”stock options fit nobody” Obviously True Temper designed this shaft to fit a segment of the market that their offerings did not address. In fact almost all other OEM’s offer it as an option. Once again ignorant and false.

 

Comparing PXG clubs to Warrior Golf and The hammer driver. Just an absolute clown statement. Do yourself a favor. Just quit while your behind. You continue to prove your ignorance and immaturity with every statement you make.

 

Then we both are short on reading comprehension. I said Parsons screaming Boom In all the marketing is like a Hammer infomercial. If the engineers are that good, maybe hilight  that instead of crazy scream and “are you tired of your buddies getting into your pockets while playing, PXG prevents that.” That doesn’t quite say quality design and engineering to me. It says infomercial. Not sure why you have gotten so angry and resorted to name calling. I’m stating my experience placing or at least trying to place an order then the up charges for that. You are free to block my comments from view as I’m enjoying some of the discussion with other PXG players here. Curious about the tech and other good stuff but from the marketing, all I hear is the screaming. 

[cardia10]

7 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

You should be able to handle the ST blades.  I hit them better than the DCs

I like the idea of maybe something more forgiving in the 3-5 iron then maybe smaller from there. Going to Scotland soon and curious how the sole widths are with the ground there. Hate to take the wrong set and it be in my head the whole time. Play Ping S55 now and they seem to be a good mix of thinish sole and ok with forgiveness. I’m good with hitting a PW 125 and don’t care for the stronger lofts. 

Edited May 1, 2022 by cardia10

[TwistedSister]

Just now, cardia10 said:

I like the idea of maybe something more forgiving in the 3-5 iron then maybe smaller from there. Going to Scotland soon and curious how the sole widths are with the ground there. Hate to take the wrong set and it be in my head the whole time. 

I hit the 5 iron without issue.  Actually better than with the lofted ones.  Then get a 20 H  for the 3-4 slot.

[hammergolf]

11 minutes ago, cardia10 said:

Then we both are short on reading comprehension. I said Parsons screaming Boom In all the marketing is like a Hammer infomercial. If the engineers are that good, maybe hilight  that instead of crazy scream and “are you tired of your buddies getting into your pockets while playing, PXG prevents that.” That doesn’t quite say quality design and engineering to me. It says infomercial. Not sure why you have gotten so angry and resorted to name calling. I’m stating my experience placing or at least trying to place an order then the up charges for that. You are free to block my comments from view as I’m enjoying some of the discussion with other PXG players here. Curious about the tech and other good stuff but from the marketing, all I hear is the screaming. 

Here’s a quote of your post. I think you are so emotional and make so many ignorant statements you can’t keep up with them. 

 

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Posted April 18 (edited)

   On 4/18/2022 at 12:23 PM,  Argonne69 said: 

 

Lol. The irony of a member with a Scotty Cameron putter avatar complaining about the price of clubs.

 

I picked up a new set of PXG 0311 Gen 3s last year for $150 a club. Ping is charging $250 a club for the i59s. I guess Ping is going out of business, too.

 

I'm not quite complaining about the cost. FYI- I paid $2,000 for that putter in the avatar, check ebay pricing now. There is no PXG deflation there. You picked up a new to you set? The Gen 3's have been out for 2 years. The I59 is Ping's newest club. Let's compare apples to apples here. I59-$250, PXG Gen 5- $350 then you get to pay $60 for shipping, $30 for a grip and $50-75 for an off the rack shaft that everyone offers for free. That brings the PXG cost to $426 per club while the Ping is $250. We don't even have to go down the resell value road surely...Is PGX really worth double a Ping? I don't think so, but obviously quite a few people are buying into the neon signs and the yelling carnie. To me, they are just a step above Warrior Golf and the Hammer Driver and seem very infomercialish.

 

PS, enjoy your trip to Scotland. At least we can agree about going to Scotland to play golf.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by hammergolf

[hammergolf]

11 minutes ago, cardia10 said:

I like the idea of maybe something more forgiving in the 3-5 iron then maybe smaller from there. Going to Scotland soon and curious how the sole widths are with the ground there. Hate to take the wrong set and it be in my head the whole time. Play Ping S55 now and they seem to be a good mix of thinish sole and ok with forgiveness. I’m good with hitting a PW 125 and don’t care for the stronger lofts. 

I can tell you I have Gen3 XPs that are even bent weak and had zero issues playing off links turf in Ireland. However, the courses weren’t baked out either.

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27 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

Here’s a quote of your post. I think you are so emotional and make so many ignorant statements you can’t keep up with them. 

 

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Posted April 18 (edited)

   On 4/18/2022 at 12:23 PM,  Argonne69 said: 

 

Lol. The irony of a member with a Scotty Cameron putter avatar complaining about the price of clubs.

 

I picked up a new set of PXG 0311 Gen 3s last year for $150 a club. Ping is charging $250 a club for the i59s. I guess Ping is going out of business, too.

 

I'm not quite complaining about the cost. FYI- I paid $2,000 for that putter in the avatar, check ebay pricing now. There is no PXG deflation there. You picked up a new to you set? The Gen 3's have been out for 2 years. The I59 is Ping's newest club. Let's compare apples to apples here. I59-$250, PXG Gen 5- $350 then you get to pay $60 for shipping, $30 for a grip and $50-75 for an off the rack shaft that everyone offers for free. That brings the PXG cost to $426 per club while the Ping is $250. We don't even have to go down the resell value road surely...Is PGX really worth double a Ping? I don't think so, but obviously quite a few people are buying into the neon signs and the yelling carnie. To me, they are just a step above Warrior Golf and the Hammer Driver and seem very infomercialish.

 

PS, enjoy your trip to Scotland. At least we can agree about going to Scotland to play golf.

 

 

Yep, just what you hi lighted. Reading comprehension…infomercial…ie Hammer Driver. Bob Parsons, yelling carnie like Jack Hamm. And yea, I’ll take all the Scotland advice you can give! I may even be over there with a set of PXG!

[cardia10]

27 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

I can tell you I have Gen3 XPs that are even bent weak and had zero issues playing off links turf in Ireland. However, the courses weren’t baked out either.

Any thoughts on how they will be early July. Carnoustie then west coast? I’m probably overthinking it but I’d hate to come over and hit everything thin. 

[hammergolf]

Just now, cardia10 said:

Yep, just what you hi lighted. Reading comprehension…infomercial…ie Hammer Driver. Bob Parsons, yelling carnie like Jack Hamm. And yea, I’ll take all the Scotland advice you can give! I may even be over there with a set of PXG!

You clearly were speaking about their clubs comparing them to Ping and not their marketing campaign. Then commented that people were buying due to neon signs and a carnival barker. Clearly people are buying their clubs because they are good and have cascading price points. Hell even you bought their clubs. You mentioned nothing about the marketing. You clearly stated they are just a step above Warrior and Hammer and “infomercialish” Just own the dumb statements you made and move on…

[hammergolf]

3 minutes ago, cardia10 said:

Any thoughts on how they will be early July. Carnoustie then west coast? I’m probably overthinking it but I’d hate to come over and hit everything thin. 

Carnoustie shouldn’t be baked out as they have a sprinkler system plus they get so much play. The west coast (Ayrshire) tends to be a touch dryer than the East so depending on the course they may be a touch firmer. If you’re playing the popular ones you shouldn’t have an issue. I posted a link to a video that will show you Troon conditions in the summer.

 

 

[cardia10]

1 hour ago, hammergolf said:

Carnoustie shouldn’t be baked out as they have a sprinkler system plus they get so much play. The west coast (Ayrshire) tends to be a touch dryer than the East so depending on the course they may be a touch firmer. If you’re playing the popular ones you shouldn’t have an issue. I posted a link to a video that will show you Troon conditions in the summer.

 

 

Missing Troon but playing Carnoustie, Turnberry, Dundonald, Prestwick, Gailes Links and Western Gailes. Just always heard conditions were more firm and baked. Going to a practice round at the Open so don’t get to play much around there sadly. 

Edited May 1, 2022 by cardia10

[hammergolf]

Unless there is a drought, they won’t be baked out. Those courses get so much play they have to put water on them to manage it. It will be firm, but not like you would see in an Open. Good selection and mix of courses, haven’t played Dundonald or Turnberry since the redesign. From what I’ve heard the changes he made are great. Hopefully the heather isn’t too thick at Western and Gailes. It’s brutal and right off the fwy.

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